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What if those domestic products never exceed western standards? No wonder you guys are still importing rifles.

That's not how it works. All these purchases have either offsets or an Indian production.

So companies are able to harness the latest western technologies and then add their own capabilities when making next generation equipment. So when the next tender comes up, the equipment becomes more Indian than foreign.

Take the example of Pinaka MBRL or Akash SAM. They are being purchased because they are better than global equivalents. The IAF have in fact pointed out they don't need the French Maitri anymore because of Akash.

The Russian AF is now deciding the number of Brahmos-A they want to import from India.

And because of the Rafale deal, it is possible that the French will choose the Kaveri engine for the Rafale MLU in 2023-25.

It's a big deal for India to have projects that will export defence equipment to Russia and France, not third world countries that cannot buy expensive equipment. India will soon be working on projects with the US that will export weapons to NATO, like a 4th gen Javelin.

As for rifles, Indian companies have to compete with western companies. If their equipment is on par or better, they will be chosen.
 
Yes we won 65 and you got beating of lifetime in 1965. Yes we lost 1971 and we haven't forgotten it and would take revenge. As for Kargil well I also used to think that India won Kargil until I came to know that Pakistan is still sitting in Kargil in fact on two highest peaks. Kargil now seem to be your biggest embarrassment. We send 500 guys most of them were Jihadis and you brought 40000 soldiers along with latest Artillery and MRLs and Fighter Jets still failed to get all the peaks back if you consider that victory !!! than I can do nothing about that. And in 2002 you lost around 2000 soldiers without even fighting any major war. So please grow up
@Path-Finder @Stealth @Khafee
Hi
In 1965 we captured 5 times more territory than you at the end of the war that too mainly in the Punjab region pa mainly held territory in the desert region only. learn to accept facts read independent sources so that you get the real idea. The only success you had was with your air force In 1965 i think they did well against us.

Doesn't TATA produce NVDs I read somewhere that they have a tie up with a foreign firm in this regard
 
That's not how it works. All these purchases have either offsets or an Indian production.

So companies are able to harness the latest western technologies and then add their own capabilities when making next generation equipment. So when the next tender comes up, the equipment becomes more Indian than foreign.

Take the example of Pinaka MBRL or Akash SAM. They are being purchased because they are better than global equivalents. The IAF have in fact pointed out they don't need the French Maitri anymore because of Akash.
You mean this 'world class', 'advanced' and best Akash?
http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Eco...ts-homegrown-missile-in-blow-to-Make-in-India
Ahh icic...India is shinning indeed.

or this 'world class' Pinaka?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-to-take-over-Pinaka/articleshow/53991553.cms

LOL.....I mean how long can you boast in front of such incompetence? Please make me stop laughing.

The Russian AF is now deciding the number of Brahmos-A they want to import from India.
So has an agreement been signed? O this is something that 'may, should, can, could' happen? Russia had been showing 'interest' in BRAHMOS for god knows how long. Even a dozen countries seem to be interested for the past decade. Are you really that naive? It is like a pedo givin a kid some candy before raping him.

And because of the Rafale deal, it is possible that the French will choose the Kaveri engine for the Rafale MLU in 2023-25.

Ah, possible, could, should again. Anyway, I though you already mastered aero-engine tech, why do you need the French now. Didn't India beat China to it?

It's a big deal for India to have projects that will export defence equipment to Russia and France, not third world countries that cannot buy expensive equipment. India will soon be working on projects with the US that will export weapons to NATO, like a 4th gen Javelin.
Again this sound like the case of a pedo givin a kid some candy before raping him.

As for rifles, Indian companies have to compete with western companies. If their equipment is on par or better, they will be chosen.
But wasn't INSAS world class, the best in the world? Why import? LOL
 
51 soldiers. Only 2 militant attacks. nagrota and pampore killing 10. so 41 killed by Pakistan army firing. Total deaths were 60 this year few days ago. It automatically reached 80.

yeah !
1. 1965 war was won by Pakistan
2. Till 15th Dec 1971 Pakistani army was winning the war
3. IN kargil it was not pakistani soldiers but Mujahiddins !!
carry on !
1965 war. india realized after 40 years that they won.
2. in 1971. india later realized that 93000 pakistani soldiers surrendered when the actual numbers is 26000. total pakistani soldiers in east pakistan were 34000 men. 55000+ POW were civilians. First and only country who took civilians as POW. your army general have said that the total strength ratio was 1:15. which means your army was 1.4 million in east pakistan going by 93000 number?
3. during kargil war maximum pakistani strength given by indian army was 1500 alqaeda and taliban militants which was 1000 earlier and 20 at the start of the war. India later many years after the war realized that it was 5000.
and not to forget more than 30 indian bodies which pakistan returned. Indian claim of pakistani bodies were 68 at peak value. All bodies airlifted from dehli to rawalpindi. later india again realized after a decade that it were hundreds of bodies.
4. in 2016, indian dgmo never said they crossed the border. but later indian media realized that they used helicopters. then they later realized they didn't used helicopters. actually they used distraction fire on pakistani posts and did great surgical strikes. and the lies goes on and on and on.

India can only do propaganda and lie to the world. even if they have to change the figures decade after the event.
 
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You mean this 'world class', 'advanced' and best Akash?
http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Eco...ts-homegrown-missile-in-blow-to-Make-in-India
Ahh icic...India is shinning indeed.

or this 'world class' Pinaka?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-to-take-over-Pinaka/articleshow/53991553.cms

LOL.....I mean how long can you boast in front of such incompetence? Please make me stop laughing.

Both fake articles. Look up their order numbers to judge.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...o-22-within-a-decade/articleshow/55852579.cms

IA has purchased 2000 Akash missiles on about 20-30 systems. It replaced their 80s tech SA-6 which was in similar numbers. The Israeli QRSAM is a different class from Akash. IAF also operates the SPYDER QRSAM along with Akash. Akash is categorized as an SRSAM, which is different from QRSAM. For example, Akash has a 55Kg warhead while the warheads on SPYDER is 11Kg and 23Kg.

So has an agreement been signed? O this is something that 'may, should, can, could' happen? Russia had been showing 'interest' in BRAHMOS for god knows how long. Even a dozen countries seem to be interested for the past decade. Are you really that naive? It is like a pedo givin a kid some candy before raping him.

Incorrect again. Russia said they can't induct the ship based Brahmos because they can't afford to make the changes on their ships. Recently, they have devised a new hypersonic cruise missile, so they don't need the Brahmos on their ships. But they are interested in the airborne Brahmos and the modernized Brahmos.

But wasn't INSAS world class, the best in the world? Why import? LOL

New ammo requirement, 7.62x51 mm. If an Indian company can supply it, well and good. INSAS is 5.56x45mm.

Ah, possible, could, should again. Anyway, I though you already mastered aero-engine tech, why do you need the French now. Didn't India beat China to it?

Butthurt has many languages, but the feeling is the same everywhere.

Again this sound like the case of a pedo givin a kid some candy before raping him.

Your childhood memories awakened?
 
51 soldiers. Only 2 militant attacks. nagrota and pampore killing 10. so 41 killed by Pakistan army firing. Total deaths were 60 this year few days ago. It automatically reached 80.


1965 war. india realized after 40 years that they won.
2. in 1971. india later realized that 93000 pakistani soldiers surrendered when the actual numbers is 34000. total pakistani soldiers in east pakistan were 45000 men. 55000 POW were civilians. First and only country who took civilians as POW.
3. during kargil war maximum pakistani strength given by indian army was 1500 alqaeda and taliban militants which was 1000 earlier and 20 at the start of the war. India later many years after the war realized that it was 5000.
and not to forget more than 30 indian bodies which pakistan returned. Indian claim of pakistani bodies were 68 at peak value. All bodies airlifted from dehli to rawalpindi. later india again realized after a decade that it were hundreds of bodies.
4. in 2016, indian dgmo never said they crossed the border. but later indian media realized that they used helicopters. then they later realized they didn't used helicopters. actually they used distraction fire on pakistani posts and did great surgical strikes. and the lies goes on and on and on.

India can only do propaganda and lie to the world. even if they have to change the figures decade after the event.
I'm telling you read independent reports on all these events you have mentioned above
I know there is no point in trying to convince you otherwise you lot like to bend facts to suit your needs as always.
 
Indians shout about Mangalyaan and yet they need to import simple NVDs.


Pakistanis claimed to 'develop' a missile but cant design a rifle? lol

the most funniest thing done by Indian in the history of man kind ... Hanuman SIR G KAL strikes ... with no evidence... no proof... other side is fully geared-up... and AAFFFF KOOORSEE Manohar PArrikar & Modi phus phus strikes lol


Just wait for few years and your retired army personal and PM will tell u the truth just like they did about Kargil war. hahaha .... Thank god there is a picture/video of 1971 surgical strike on Dhaka, else you could have claimed, "it never happened" lol
 
I'm telling you read independent reports on all these events you have mentioned above
I know there is no point in trying to convince you otherwise you lot like to bend facts to suit your needs as always.
i will prefer to believe in indian army press conferences during kargil,2016(independent and neutral media after visit to LOC rejected indian stance) but indian DGMO,indian media constantly changing stances contradicts and the best part is modi asking his ministers on not talking to media.
on 1965 war, india don't believe in neutral sources and that's why they hate chuck yeager and western media or even japenese media.
in 1971 a neutral media report on india moving prisoners to it's country clearly showed women and children being moved. video available on youtube. Also indian general interview is available where he praised pakistan army valor and said that they simply have no chance as outnumbered by 1:15. now indian strength was 500k on east pakistan. clearly show that pakistan had approximately 35k soldiers.
also indian general book clearly states that they were afraid that they would lose indian punjab due to losses in pakistani punjab. attack on kasoor and lahore were repulsed.

1948 war:
Yoichi Shimatsu, a Japanese journalist and former editor of Japan Times, wrote as follows about LeT and Kargil:

Blaming the Lahore-based Lashkar is all-too easy since the outfit was once the West Point of the Kashmir insurgency. The Army of the Righteous, as it is known in English, was a paramilitary force par excellence that routinely mauled the Indian Army along the Himalayan ridge that forms the Line of Control of divided Kashmir. In an attack on the strategic town of Kargil in late spring 1999, Lashkar broke through India’s alpine defense line and came close to forcing New Delhi to the negotiating table.

Along the sawtooth LoC, Lashkar is respected by professional soldiers on both side. A Pakistani hero who fought on the Baltistan heights, Corporal Ahmed, told me of his admiration for the stoicism of these jihadis, who wore sandals to battle in the snow. At a checkpoint in Indian-controlled Kargil, an army captain wearing a Sikh turban said frankly that nobody in the Indian Army could fight man-to-man against Lashkar.

Lashkar earned its reputation in clean-fought mountain warfare, pitting lightly armed guerrillas against Indian armor and superior firepower.

In its finest hours, these fighters would never consider the dirty tactics used against civilians in Mumbai, for example, the gangland-style executions using a shot to the back of a kneeling captive’s head. That is more typical of the Mumbai underworld.


1965 war:

Encyclopaedia of Aircraft printed in several countries by Orbis publications - Volume 5

"Pakistan's air force gained a remarkable victory over India in this brief 22 day war exploiting its opponents weaknesses in exemplary style - Deeply shaken by reverse, India began an extensive modernisation and training program, meanwhile covering its defeat with effective propaganda smoke screen.

To prove its air superiority, PAF put its entire fleets on show for inspection after BOTH of the wars in presence of world dignitaries and aviation community. The five times bigger IAF should have been able to annihilate the tiny PAF to prevent such displays.


The London Daily Mirror reported in 1965:

"There is a smell of death in the burning Pakistan sun. For it was here that India's attacking forces came to a dead stop.

"During the night they threw in every reinforcement they could find. But wave after wave of attacks were repulsed by the Pakistanis"

"India", said the London Daily Times, "is being soundly beaten by a nation which is outnumbered by four and a half to one in population and three to one in size of armed forces."



In Line of Duty: A Soldier Remembers, Lt Gen Harbakhsh Singh reveals that not only did Gen Chowdhury play a very small role in the entire campaign, he was so nervous as to be on the verge of losing half of Punjab to Pakistan, including the city of Amritsar. Harbakhsh describes, in clinical detail, how our own offensive in the Lahore sector had come unhinged. The general commanding the division on Ichchogil canal fled in panic, leaving his jeep, its wireless running and the briefcase containing sensitive documents that were then routinely read on Radio Pakistan during the war. Singh wanted to court martial him, Chowdhury let him get away with resignation.

According to Shekhar Gupta, the editor of Indian Express, Harbkhash Singh recounts that a bigger disaster struck a bit to the south where the other division cracked up in assault, just as it encountered a bit of resistance. Several infantry battalions, short on battle inoculation, deserted and Singh gives a hair-raising account – and confirmation of a long-debated rumor – that Chowdhury panicked so badly he ordered him to withdraw to a new defensive line behind the Beas, thereby conceding half of Punjab to Pakistan. Singh describes the conversation with Chowdhury at Ambala where he refused to carry out the order, asking his chief to either put it down in writing or visit the front and take charge of the battle.

1965 War, the Inside Story by R.D. Pradhan:
Pradhan's book contains many different entries by Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan. A Sept 9, 1965 entry reads: Had a very hard day on all fronts. Very fierce counter-attacks mounted and we are required to withdraw in Kasur area. COAS was somewhat uncertain of himself. I suggested to him that he should go in forward areas so that he will be in touch of realities. He said he would go next day.


1965 War, the Inside Story by R.D. Pradhan:

In Chapter 8 titled "Of Cowardice and Panic", the author describes the cowardice of Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad, the Indian general commanding officer in Lahore sector. When the general was fired upon by Pakistani forces, he "ran away". "On learning that, Lt. Gen. Harbakash Singh and the corps commander drove in a Jonga to the battlefront. Army commander found that the enemy (PAF) air attack had created a havoc on G.T. Road. (Indian) Vehicles were burning and several vehicles of 15 Division abandoned on the road, the drivers having run away, leaving some of the engines still running. Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad was hiding in a recently irrigated sugar cane field. As described by Harabakash Singh: "He (Prasad) came out to receive us, with his boots covered with wet mud. He had no head cover, nor was he wearing any badges of his rank. He had stubble on his face, not having shaved." Seeing him in such a stage, Harbakhash Singh asked him: "Whether he was the General Officer commanding a division or a coolie? Why had he removed badges of rank and not shaved? Niranjan Prasad had no answer."

"Pakistan claims to have destroyed something like 1/3rd the Indian Air Force, and foreign observers, who are in a position to know say that Pakistani pilots have claimed even higher kills than this; but the Pakistani Air Force are being scrupulously honest in evaluating these claims. They are crediting Pakistan Air Force only those killings that can be checked from other sources."

Roy Meloni,
American Broadcasting Corporation
September 15, 1965.

1971:
Even in 1971, Pakistanis inflicted heavy damage on Indian military.


"This airforce(the PAF), is second to none"
"The air war lasted two weeks and the Pakistanis scored a
three-to-one kill ratio, knocking out 102 Russian-made Indian jets and losing thirty-four airplanes of their own. I'm certain about the figures because I went out several times a day in a chopper and counted the wrecks below." "They were really good, aggressive dogfighters and proficient in gunnery and air combat tactics. I was damned impressed. Those guys just lived and breathed flying. "


(General (Retd.) Chuck Yeager (USAF) , Book: Yeager, the
Autobiography
).
official record:
The fact is that the total strength of the Pakistan army troops posted in East Pakistan as of December 16, 1971, was only about 34,000. With the addition of Rangers, scouts, militia and civil police, the total strength of personnel deployed to defend East Pakistan was only 45,000.
http://www.dawn.com/news/773291/pakistani-pows-correct-figure

indian general giving pakistani numbers: also accepting that india prepared for the war year ago.

Dead Reckoning, written by Indian researcher Sarmila Bose:

Dead Reckoning
suggests there were only 20,000 Pakistani troops at the beginning of the civil war in East Pakistan, and that rose to 34,000 towards the end of the war.

"Bangladeshi narratives claim 400,000 women were raped by Pakistani troops during the civil war between March and December 1971, but how can 34,000 soldiers rape so many women in eight months," contends Sarmila Bose.
it also shows how indian did propaganda.

actually india also lied about pakistan starting the war. Indian army just lied lied lied.

The Indian strategy is clearly described and analysed in publications by the Indian military officers who served in command positions in 1971, who make it clear that the 'war of liberation' started from their units on about 21 November. One of them [Maj. Gen. Lachman Singh] says: 'India had fixed 22 November as D-Day for the attack. They advanced it by one day to 21 November because of Eid, hoping the troops would be celebrating Eid, and thus unwary.'

A lot more examples from indian sources and neutral sources are present which shows indian strong propaganda machine.
 
I don't believe I see an Indian name in the tender. And I believe they will include an Indian company for local content, they will most likely do the plastic stuff and screw driver tech assembly to fulfill the local content requirement.
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What if those domestic products never exceed western standards? No wonder you guys are still importing rifles.

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You guys here are showing me so many pictures, as if having some sort of inferiority complex. The point is this if you guys are producing and exporting all these super duper NVDs, then WTF ARE YOU IMPORTING THEM?

Importing NVDs are since long a declining trend, IA is in fact using local companies.
Why show you the pictures? Clearly to upend bias and to show haters that they don't like to be dealt when their BS is caught.
The only complex I see is a slowly shattering superiority complex.
 
In 2014 there was news that india is making it's own 4th generation night google for it's army. I think they failed.
 
IN 1965 you started a war to get Kashmir, but you could not get an inch and had to defend Punjab and lost 2000km2 land there.

Son don't invent history... It was India that was about to lose Panjab and it was Indian generals who wrote books on it;

Pakistan claims to have destroyed something like 1/3rd the Indian Air Force, and foreign observers, who are in a position to know say that Pakistani pilots have claimed even higher kills than this; but the Pakistani Air Force are being scrupulously honest in evaluating these claims. They are crediting Pakistan Air Force only those killings that can be checked from other sources."

Roy Meloni,
American Broadcasting Corporation
September 15, 1965

http://books.google.com/books?id=ym...snum=1&ved=0CAwQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=&f=false



September 15, 1965.

1965 War, the Inside Story by R.D. Pradhan:

In Chapter 8 titled "Of Cowardice and Panic", the author describes the cowardice of Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad, the Indian general commanding officer in Lahore sector. When the general was fired upon by Pakistani forces, he "ran away". "On learning that, Lt. Gen. Harbakash Singh and the corps commander drove in a Jonga to the battlefront. Army commander found that the enemy (PAF) air attack had created a havoc on G.T. Road. (Indian) Vehicles were burning and several vehicles of 15 Division abandoned on the road, the drivers having run away, leaving some of the engines still running. Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad was hiding in a recently irrigated sugar cane field. As described by Harabakash Singh: "He (Prasad) came out to receive us, with his boots covered with wet mud. He had no head cover, nor was he wearing any badges of his rank. He had stubble on his face, not having shaved." Seeing him in such a stage, Harbakhash Singh asked him: "Whether he was the General Officer commanding a division or a coolie? Why had he removed badges of rank and not shaved? Niranjan Prasad had no answer."

Pradhan's book contains many different entries by Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan. A Sept 9, 1965 entry reads: Had a very hard day on all fronts. Very fierce counter-attacks mounted and we are required to withdraw in Kasur area. COAS was somewhat uncertain of himself. I suggested to him that he should go in forward areas so that he will be in touch of realities. He said he would go next day.

In Line of Duty: A Soldier Remembers, Lt Gen Harbakhsh Singh reveals that not only did Gen Chowdhury play a very small role in the entire campaign, he was so nervous as to be on the verge of losing half of Punjab to Pakistan, including the city of Amritsar. Harbakhsh describes, in clinical detail, how our own offensive in the Lahore sector had come unhinged. The general commanding the division on Ichchogil canal fled in panic, leaving his jeep, its wireless running and the briefcase containing sensitive documents that were then routinely read on Radio Pakistan during the war. Singh wanted to court martial him, Chowdhury let him get away with resignation.

According to Shekhar Gupta, the editor of Indian Express, Harbkhash Singh recounts that a bigger disaster struck a bit to the south where the other division cracked up in assault, just as it encountered a bit of resistance. Several infantry battalions, short on battle inoculation, deserted and Singh gives a hair-raising account – and confirmation of a long-debated rumor – that Chowdhury panicked so badly he ordered him to withdraw to a new defensive line behind the Beas, thereby conceding half of Punjab to Pakistan. Singh describes the conversation with Chowdhury at Ambala where he refused to carry out the order, asking his chief to either put it down in writing or visit the front and take charge of the battle.

The London Daily Mirror reported in 1965:

"There is a smell of death in the burning Pakistan sun. For it was here that India's attacking forces came to a dead stop.

"During the night they threw in every reinforcement they could find. But wave after wave of attacks were repulsed by the Pakistanis"

"India", said the London Daily Times, "is being soundly beaten by a nation which is outnumbered by four and a half to one in population and three to one in size of armed forces."


In Times reporter Louis Karrar wrote:

"Who can defeat a nation which knows how to play hide and seek with death".

USA - Aviation week & space technology - December 1968 issue.

"For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel.




In Kargil we retook all the peaks but for Point 5353 70% of which is on Pakistan side of LoC, we retaliated by capturing peaks P4875 & P4251 inside Pakistan.

So you pit 30,000 troops and airforce against 1500 paramilitary and mujahideen fighters and still couldn't take the entire territory ?

And as your your fuktadry regarding some fake *** hills .. Provide a source or Fk off.
 
Son don't invent history... It was India that was about to lose Panjab and it was Indian generals who wrote books on it;

Pakistan claims to have destroyed something like 1/3rd the Indian Air Force, and foreign observers, who are in a position to know say that Pakistani pilots have claimed even higher kills than this; but the Pakistani Air Force are being scrupulously honest in evaluating these claims. They are crediting Pakistan Air Force only those killings that can be checked from other sources."

Roy Meloni,
American Broadcasting Corporation
September 15, 1965

http://books.google.com/books?id=ym...snum=1&ved=0CAwQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=&f=false



September 15, 1965.

1965 War, the Inside Story by R.D. Pradhan:

In Chapter 8 titled "Of Cowardice and Panic", the author describes the cowardice of Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad, the Indian general commanding officer in Lahore sector. When the general was fired upon by Pakistani forces, he "ran away". "On learning that, Lt. Gen. Harbakash Singh and the corps commander drove in a Jonga to the battlefront. Army commander found that the enemy (PAF) air attack had created a havoc on G.T. Road. (Indian) Vehicles were burning and several vehicles of 15 Division abandoned on the road, the drivers having run away, leaving some of the engines still running. Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad was hiding in a recently irrigated sugar cane field. As described by Harabakash Singh: "He (Prasad) came out to receive us, with his boots covered with wet mud. He had no head cover, nor was he wearing any badges of his rank. He had stubble on his face, not having shaved." Seeing him in such a stage, Harbakhash Singh asked him: "Whether he was the General Officer commanding a division or a coolie? Why had he removed badges of rank and not shaved? Niranjan Prasad had no answer."

Pradhan's book contains many different entries by Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan. A Sept 9, 1965 entry reads: Had a very hard day on all fronts. Very fierce counter-attacks mounted and we are required to withdraw in Kasur area. COAS was somewhat uncertain of himself. I suggested to him that he should go in forward areas so that he will be in touch of realities. He said he would go next day.

In Line of Duty: A Soldier Remembers, Lt Gen Harbakhsh Singh reveals that not only did Gen Chowdhury play a very small role in the entire campaign, he was so nervous as to be on the verge of losing half of Punjab to Pakistan, including the city of Amritsar. Harbakhsh describes, in clinical detail, how our own offensive in the Lahore sector had come unhinged. The general commanding the division on Ichchogil canal fled in panic, leaving his jeep, its wireless running and the briefcase containing sensitive documents that were then routinely read on Radio Pakistan during the war. Singh wanted to court martial him, Chowdhury let him get away with resignation.

According to Shekhar Gupta, the editor of Indian Express, Harbkhash Singh recounts that a bigger disaster struck a bit to the south where the other division cracked up in assault, just as it encountered a bit of resistance. Several infantry battalions, short on battle inoculation, deserted and Singh gives a hair-raising account – and confirmation of a long-debated rumor – that Chowdhury panicked so badly he ordered him to withdraw to a new defensive line behind the Beas, thereby conceding half of Punjab to Pakistan. Singh describes the conversation with Chowdhury at Ambala where he refused to carry out the order, asking his chief to either put it down in writing or visit the front and take charge of the battle.

The London Daily Mirror reported in 1965:

"There is a smell of death in the burning Pakistan sun. For it was here that India's attacking forces came to a dead stop.

"During the night they threw in every reinforcement they could find. But wave after wave of attacks were repulsed by the Pakistanis"

"India", said the London Daily Times, "is being soundly beaten by a nation which is outnumbered by four and a half to one in population and three to one in size of armed forces."


In Times reporter Louis Karrar wrote:

"Who can defeat a nation which knows how to play hide and seek with death".

USA - Aviation week & space technology - December 1968 issue.

"For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel.






So you pit 30,000 troops and airforce against 1500 paramilitary and mujahideen fighters and still couldn't take the entire territory ?

And as your your fuktadry regarding some fake *** hills .. Provide a source or Fk off.
Don't post your brainfarts, kiddo.

Every major historian including United States department and library of US congress agree that India was on top during ceasefire:

Most of these assessments agree that India had the upper hand over Pakistan when ceasefire occured.Some of the neutral assessments are mentioned below —

The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country's military defeat by "Hindu India" and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government.

  • Devin T. Hagerty wrote in his book "South Asia in world politics"[117]
The invading Indian forces outfought their Pakistani counterparts and halted their attack on the outskirts of Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city. By the time United Nations intervened on September 22, Pakistan had suffered a clear defeat.

  • In his book "National identity and geopolitical visions",[118] Gertjan Dijkink writes –
The superior Indian forces, however, won a decisive victory and the army could have even marched on into Pakistani territory had external pressure not forced both combatants to cease their war efforts.

In three weeks the second Indo-Pak War ended in what appeared to be a draw when the embargo placed by Washington on U.S. ammunition and replacements for both armies forced cessation of conflict before either side won a clear victory. India, however, was in a position to inflict grave damage to, if not capture, Pakistan's capital of the Punjab when the cease-fire was called, and controlled Kashmir's strategic Uri-Poonch bulge, much to Ayub's chagrin.

  • In his book titled The greater game: India's race with destiny and China, David Van Praagh wrote[8]
India won the war. It gained 1,840 km2 (710 sq mi) of Pakistani territory: 640 km2 (250 sq mi) in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 km2 (180 sq mi) of the Sailkot sector; 380 km2(150 sq mi) far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 km2(140 sq mi) on the Lahore front. Pakistan took 540 km2 (210 sq mi) of Indian territory: 490 km2(190 sq mi) in the Chhamb sector and 50 km2 (19 sq mi) around Khem Karan.

  • Dennis Kux's "India and the United States estranged democracies" also provides a summary of the war,[120]
Although both sides lost heavily in men and material, and neither gained a decisive military advantage, India had the better of the war. New Delhi achieved its basic goal of thwarting Pakistan's attempt to seize Kashmir by force. Pakistan gained nothing from a conflict which it had instigated.

  • "A region in turmoil: South Asian conflicts since 1947" by Robert Johnson mentions[9]
India's strategic aims were modest – it aimed to deny Pakistani Army victory, although it ended up in possession of 720 square miles (1,900 km2) of Pakistani territory for the loss of just 220 square miles (570 km2) of its own.

  • An excerpt from William M. Carpenter and David G. Wiencek's "Asian security handbook: terrorism and the new security environment"[121]
A brief but furious 1965 war with India began with a covert Pakistani thrust across the Kashmiri cease-fire line and ended up with the city of Lahore threatened with encirclement by Indian Army. Another UN-sponsored cease-fire left borders unchanged, but Pakistan's vulnerability had again been exposed.

  • English historian John Keay's "India: A History" provides a summary of the 1965 war[122]
The 1965 Indo-Pak war lasted barely a month. Pakistan made gains in the Rajasthan desert but its main push against India's Jammu-Srinagar road link was repulsed and Indian tanks advanced to within a sight of Lahore. Both sides claimed victory but India had most to celebrate.

  • Uk Heo and Shale Asher Horowitz write in their book "Conflict in Asia: Korea, China-Taiwan, and India-Pakistan"[123]
Again India appeared, logistically at least, to be in a superior position but neither side was able to mobilize enough strength to gain a decisive victory.

Conflict resumed again in early 1965, when Pakistani and Indian forces clashed over disputed territory along the border between the two nations. Hostilities intensified that August when the Pakistani army attempted to take Kashmir by force. The attempt to seize the state was unsuccessful, and the second India-Pakistan War reached a stalemate.


As for the mountain capture here is a nice article by former Northern Army commander Lt Gen; which details how Indian Army crossed, 2 Km into Pakistan and captured P5310.

https://www.newslaundry.com/2016/09/14/the-lost-operation-against-pakistan-in-chorbat-la
 

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