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India and Pakistan need to reunite like Germany and Vietnam: Markandey Katju

No, we do not need to reunite

We, however, need to learn to co-exist peacefully but for that Indians will have to whole heartedly accept the existence of Pakistan as a different sovereign nation first, and also acknowledge the fact that Pakistan will never bow down to India or accept India as the regional hegemon.

You are not wrong to say that we don't to reunite.

Just like how Syria and pre-2003 Iraq were individual countries but had a common progressive political governing ideology ( the Ba'ath ideology ) so too can India, Pakistan and Bangladesh be individual countries but have the same governing ideology.

The most immediate such progressive ideology can be the "Swaraaj" ideology which is a direct-democracy system followed by the Aam Aadmi Party of India. This ideology is not limited by national borders.

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Please ask any one of them to tell they are not Indian & they want a separate Tamil land.

Subramanian Swamy
Nirmala Sitaraman
Abdul Kalam
Sundar Pichai
AR Rahman
Vishwanathan Anand
Indra Nooyi
Shiv Nadar
Raghuram Rajan
Kamal Hassan
Mani Ratnam
Sridevi
Hema Malini
Rekha
Madhavan
Vidya Balan
Kris Srikanth
Murali Vijay
Ravichandran Ashwin
Dinesh Karthik
Dhanraj Pillay
Mani Shankar Aiyar
Chidambaram
Kalanithi Maran
Padma Lakshmi
Sadguru Jaggi Vasudev
Sri Sri Ravishankar
Paramahamsa Nithyananda

Most of them live in other parts of India not even Tamil Nadu. Don't waste your time, not a single person will put grass for you. If you have confidence in your belief, come to India, come to Tamil Nadu & try starting a separatist movement. I can assure you, you will be cut into pieces by the Tamils themselves. Do you have guts. Try it.

out of the 28 names listed by you, 18 are non Tamil aka brahmins known to be rabid anti Tamils e.g Subramania swamy, who calls Tamil Porkis, Nirmala sitharaman , Mani Ratnam etc. Abdul Kalam a crypto brahmin grew up with brahmins. Kalanidhi maran mom is brahmin. Next time please pick credible Tamils

Btw in case you are unaware , con man Nithyananda has fled india and fraud Jaggi is Telugu


for more than 700 yrs India was under British imperialism, Tamilnadu is only 70 yrs under Hindi imperialism, still a long way to go, however the ground work has to start

These were the 2 points raised by the justice Katju to justify the unification of Pakistan with India shared culture and India , Pakistan were 1 country under Mughal. Tamilnadu does not meet these 2 criteria , so how can Tamilnadu be part of India ?

“India and Pakistan (and Bangladesh) are really one country, sharing the same culture, and were one since Mughal times."

incase you are still wet behind your ears , Tamilnadu has fought for secession , this isnt something new that I am proposing
 
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what have Tamils gained from being under Indian occupation ?


Indians have much in common with Pakistan - historically, culturally and racially but not with Tamilnadu
What is that of your concern ? Why do you care ?

If we really have a problem we Tamils can speak for ourselves and the case in Madurai High court can be filed by any individual to gain popularity.

Even if we don't have common culture with many states in India, What is the problem ?
 
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What is that of your concern ? Why do you care ?

If we really have a problem we Tamils can speak for ourselves and the case in Madurai High court can be filed by any individual to gain popularity.

Even if we don't have common culture with many states in India, What is the problem ?

the problem - Tamilnadu resources, taxes looted to feed cow belt hindi states , neglect of Tamilnadu's welfare e,g relief for Gaja Cyclone , alien Hindutva ideology / culture pushed into Tamilnadu. Anti Tamil projects undertaken to kill Tamils e.g sterlite, numerous coastal nuclear plants.

Dont know Hindi go back to Tamilnadu

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/dont-know-hindi-go-back-to-tamil-nadu.596252/
 
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SOURCE : The Siasat Daily

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Former Judge, Supreme Court of India Markandey Katju said that Aman ki Asha is living in a fool’s paradise and deceiving people. The campaign launched jointly by two large media houses, the Jang Group of Pakistan and the Times of India Group of India aims at improving relations between India and Pakistan, and help secure peace in the region. It runs a portal amankiasha.com. Former judge twitted, ‘Aman ki Asha is living in a fool’s paradise and deceiving people.’

In his article written for Pakistani Stories, Katju writes, “While ostensibly its (Aman ki Asha) aim seems laudable, and indeed it has done some good work by promoting some people to people contact between Indians and Pakistanis, which helps to some extent in dispelling the notion that people living on the other side of the border are devils, nevertheless, in my opinion, its basic approach is flawed, and in fact it serves to deceive people.”

He said “India and Pakistan (and Bangladesh) are really one country, sharing the same culture, and were one since Mughal times. Partition in 1947 was a historical British swindle, on the basis of the bogus two nation theory ( that Hindus and Muslims are two separate nations ), which was the culmination of the nefarious British divide and rule policy of making Hindus and Muslims fight each other.” He added, “Pakistan is a fake, artificial country.”

Stressing the need to reunite India and Pakistan, Katju asserted, “It is really part of India, only temporarily separated, but is bound to be reunited with it, like West and East Germany or North and South Vietnam (though that will take time because those who divided us will not let us easily reunite.)
Haha...no

can we trade Tamilnadu with Pakistan (and Bangladesh) ?

Reason 1 ) Tamil Nadu was never part of India before British 2) no shared culture with India e.g language
Don't want it, give it independence

Why is Mr. Katju saying that 'Aman ki asha' is a flawed idea ??

But he is right about India, Pakistan and Bangladesh to reunite.
Simple no. It's not gonna have nor would Pakistanis let it happen

We are the same people.

Take a poll on PDF.

Indian and Pakistani flags are not allowed to vote.

And keep the poll anonymous so that the Chinese and Turks do not be politically correct so as not to offend their friend.

@Oscar has this theory about same tongue being the strongest unifier.

But we share so much more.

Partition was an absurdity. Do start that poll. One of us will be proven right.

Cheers, Doc
The east asians are all the same to me. The caucasians are all the same to me. Does what I think change the reality? Simple answer is never

Hindu nationalists have been in power for the sum total of 10 of the past 70+ years.

India is the largest beef exporting nation on earth.

Cheers, Doc



You need to ask your countrymen actually living in Pakistan this question.

India would improve their lives in ways your own home grown leaders and machinery and institutions are clearly inept at.

India would gain too. The biggest one being not having a constant enemy. The other being so much additional land and resources and a ready captive market in the common kitty.

Cheers, Doc
Feed your poor first. Your country itself is among the poorest countries in the world
 
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out of the 28 names listed by you, 17 are non Tamil aka brahmins known to be rabid anti Tamils e.g Subramania swamy, who calls Tamil Porkis, Nirmala sitharaman , Mani Ratnam etc. Abdul Kalam a crypto brahmin grew up with brahmins. Kalanidhi maran mom is brahmin. Next time please pick credible Tamils
I only gave names which most people are familiar. I can give 1000 names or more, but no use wasting my time as you will come with one excuse after other, looking at your reply & posts. Easiest is you give your credible list to back your claims & with credible proof. Can you. I can see you are member here from 2013. How many Tamils have you found here who buy your crap.
Btw in case you are unaware , con man Nithyananda has fled india and fraud Jaggi is Telugu
This was about Tamil asking separate land. You want to try deviating this into some brownie point winning match. what's your post got to do with what you claimed. Nityanada is a Tamil. His personal life or activity is not the debate.
for more than 700 yrs India was under British imperialism, Tamilnadu is only 70 yrs under Hindi imperialism, still a long way to go, however the ground work has to start
When you post nonsense give proof or make sure your facts are right.

Vasco da Gama, was the first European to reach India by sea. His voyage to India was around 1500 (1497–1499) was the first to link Europe and Asia by an ocean route, the first to connect West with the Indian Sub-continent.

The British rule was around 1757 - 1947 on the sub-continent. Do your homework properly & come back, or I can provide proof for your stupidity. British rule was not even 200 years.
These were the 2 points raised by the justice Katju to justify the unification of Pakistan with India shared culture and India , Pakistan were 1 country under Mughal. Tamilnadu does not meet these 2 criteria , so how can Tamilnadu be part of India ?

“India and Pakistan (and Bangladesh) are really one country, sharing the same culture, and were one since Mughal times."

incase you are still wet behind your ears , Tamilnadu has fought for secession , this isnt something new that I am proposing
Did Justice Katju mention about Tamilnadu & he's mentioning about uniting not breaking. Total contradiction on your claim & argument on quoting Katju.

Waste of time to debate with you. Come with facts or nobody will bother for your posts. You can use your time for something fruitful instead. You can get some claps from Pakistan, but even they won't be amused with your posts & not bother to your posts. Wake up from your illusion.
 
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No way.
Speaking from a pure economic perspective.

Three poor countries, becoming united becomes a bigger poor country not to mention the densely populated Bangladesh vis their lack of resources, along with Pakistan, another resource starved, water stressed country. Add to that our own issues with respect to water and resources.
 
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this kind of low intelligence chutias are made Supreme court judges in India.
 
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Every now & then we read of some wise crack like this.

I wonder who such people ' say' such things to & in what context ?

Why does media seek out Yahoos who are so far removed from the ground & its realities .
Excellent response. You could have resorted to flame baiting Pakistanis by saying stuff like 'India is so advanced, it doesn't need terrorism etc etc' but you didn't. Similarly, Pakistanis need to refrain from insulting India and Indians in such threads and just stick to the facts - the two countries have too many religio-cultural differences and too many unresolved political issues to even contemplate increased trade between the two at the moment, let alone unification.

Even the EU has struggled in keeping all countries on board. The best thing to work towards, in the long run, is increased trade and people to people contacts.

India would improve their lives in ways your own home grown leaders and machinery and institutions are clearly inept at.
No it won't. Any 'unified' construct would have to maintain a Federal, parliamentary structure which would mean that the same provincial political parties and systems would run in elections and get elected, and therefore the same flawed domestic policies and corruption would remain in place.

There is no magic wand here to fix Pakistan's domestic governance problems. It's going to require a long, tedious, democratic process.
 
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I have no religious taboos eating from your plate.

As long as one of us washes it first.

And not the Arab style of eating from it together either.

Its a civilization Aero. Not a nation, which is a baby construct.

Admittedly part of your nation though belongs to another civilization.

Cheers, Doc
even if you take out religion and make everyone Atheist we still dont want to live with you
 
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The more bhararis realise this baloney hindutva theory of out of bharat and not Aryan migration theory is a fallacy the more the yearning to reach to Indus valley civilisation and roots to iniquity. Bharat is feel robbed of this great civilisation and are incomplete without it. Pakistan are the inheritors if this great civilisation we hold all the cards, why else would they want to merge with their mortal enemies? They hate everything about Islam, Pakistanis have what they yearn for......will never happen
 
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Nope we parted ways we can be at the very best pleasant neighbours we may speak similar languages but we dont have similar goals or outlooks for the most part
The wagah border was drawn by the blood of a million deaths
 
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