India and Pakistan need to reunite like Germany and Vietnam: Markandey Katju

[Joe Shearer]

That's an interesting piece. Very profound, and in my opinion, partially true. Where can I read all of this?

I can send you the whole post on private e-mail. It was by one of the finest members of a small group of Indians and Pakistanis.

You were on a long break from this forum (and we were not quite well acquainted yet on top) when I took on this guy the last 3 times (and now I simply do not care enough to anymore). He literally cannot type a simple sentence of Tamil to reply (and this has led to terrible mistakes that I don't think even he quite grasps when hes posting videos and whatnot to cover up for that...because he simply does not understand the subject content).

Nice to see @Sheena1980 picking up the mantle now though. I did enjoy reading that reply haha.



OMG... Joe you are just too good sometimes my friend.

I am, I am. A genius unrecognised. <sigh!>

Don't compare us Pakistanis to your cow lynching communal frenzied Modi bhakts.

We value our independence for precisely the reasons why Kashmiris yearn for it, and Indian Muslims regret not having it.

My dream is for a permanent border which stops any and all Indian re-unification dreams with barbed wire and cement machine gun towers.

We saw exactly what kind of love you have for Pakistanis in 1971 in which your military ethnically cleansed all villages leading to Lahore, poisoned our water supply, and attacked civilian centers without regard for civilian casualties.

What you have to show for it? Nothing but graveyards of Indian tanks courtesy of the defenders of Lahore.

Going by your published posts, you are either very, very young or very, very old. You seem to have an imagined narrative that you hold as real, and you seem to have confused the major fighting of six years before this. However, you are best left to wallow in your own delusions.

Something tells me you are referring to 1965 not 1971. Learn your facts before you lecture others.
As for tank graveyards, we have plenty of yours in Asal Uttar. And believe me, no Indian Muslim wants to live in your shithole that ranks 20 spots below us on HDI, below the likes of Uganda. Just ask @jamahir or @GHALIB

I wrote my post about this nonsense that was written, before reading your own post, which covers the ground quite adequately.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

I can send you the whole post on private e-mail. It was by one of the finest members of a small group of Indians and Pakistanis.



I am, I am. A genius unrecognised. <sigh!>



Going by your published posts, you are either very, very young or very, very old. You seem to have an imagined narrative that you hold as real, and you seem to have confused the major fighting of six years before this. However, you are best left to wallow in your own delusions.



I wrote my post about this nonsense that was written, before reading your own post, which covers the ground quite adequately.

I have tried many times to have a productive debate/discussion with that member. Every time he called me Islamaphobic for disagreeing with him, despite the fact that I have had good discussions with many other Pakistani members.

 

[Nilgiri]

yes that is my belief too, in reality he believes in vyaapaar/tajarat deals with Pakistan while paying superficial lip service to Akhand Bharat idea, but Congressis actually are Akhand Bharatis in deed but not in words @Nilgiri

No I dont see the congressis as that either....certainly not the ones around now.

Akhand Bharat idea is a spent force, too many rivers of blood and mistrust have been crossed now.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Pakistan's union, if it is going to happen, will be with Afghanistan. This is astronomically more likely than any merger with India.

You may as well say Turkey will merge with Greece, Azerbaijan will merge with Armenia, Iran will merge with Gulf Arabs, China will merge with Japan and South Korea, Ethiopia will merge with Somalia, UK will merge with France, Italy will merge with Germany, or Bosnia, Kosovo, Albania will merge with Serbia.

Those scenarios are far more likely.

Turkish and Greek union highly unlikely tho in the past there has been a idea of HellanicTurkism an idea that will merge the best of Greek Culture and Turkish Culture but seeing how both Greeks and Turks are highly doubtful that would happen, Azerbaijan with Armenia highly unlikely cause of Nagoro Karabakh and frankly the Armenians dont like Turks or Turkics despite even simmliar in culture, China and Japan sorta likely Shinzo Abe and Xi do have decent chem but Abe and his govt are firm with the US Pacific alliance maybe get a ball running but Japan should admits its mistakes in WW2 to all of Asia,Korea should reunify but be Chinese puppet state PRC is trying to that now, Good news in the Horn of Africa Eritrea and Ethiopia have restarted relations after 20 some odd years maybe if continued Turkish and Chinese investments plus some stabilty in the region could push for Somalia,Eritrea and Etihopia as one union, perhaps Sudan longer term wise, also the current Prime Minister of Etihopia is of Oromo decent and has started to improve relations with all ethnic groups, eh UK,France,Italy,Germany politically united nah those countries are not as homogenous as they were in the past but economic co-op will continue Italy should be more united with the Balkans and Med I say screw the Anglos and Germanic if I were Italy, imagine Italy,Greece,Balkan states, and Turkey as Med Union, the break up of Yugoslavia was tragic and should have never happen in the 1990s, Yugoslavia under Josip Broz Tito was strong and respected country and he did not cuck to the Americans or Russians however after he died idiot leaders like Slobadan Milosevic took over and stoked tensions between the Serbs,Croats,Bosniaks and Albanians now look the Balkans now a forward base for NATO, but if Turkey continues to invest in the Balkans I think a Balkan federation of sorts could be form maybe in the long run a return of Yugoslavia

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

It's a shame that Aryans turned to a Semitic faith and forgot about their ancestry. Punjabis and Sindhis are as much Indic as Tamils and Nagas.

Before "we look different" comments are thrown at me, plz look at faces of people who come on media and cricket players.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

No I dont see the congressis as that either....certainly not the ones around now.

Akhand Bharat idea is a spent force, too many rivers of blood and mistrust have been crossed now.

You are right about Akhand bharat. that ship has sailed a long time ago and is never coming back. It is about as likely as Ghazwa e HInd. But that does not mean it was not good while it lasted

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSy0aigf83aT8TIbt9SOaozlNoVx2Es-ZwdkQScUbfT4URik0fV

 

[Nilgiri]

Before "we look different" comments are thrown at me, plz look at faces of people who come on media and cricket players.

Or just the mark wiens pakistan food tour that got posted all around this forum lol (that had a good collection of average laypeople of Pakistan going about their daily business). I am sure @jbgt90 saw for himself too (we are fans, I introduced the channel to him iirc).

Its like suddenly a certain argument used by so many here...is put on "hold/ignore" or some kind of glassy eyed stuff goes on.

@Joe Shearer @VCheng

Anyways its a real touchy "enter at own risk" kind of topic here...so I care not to indulge in it. But I do chuckle at the reality....there is literally two threads here on this very forum right now....one about Trump "mistaking Pakistan to be in the middle east"...and literally another thread about how Pakistan is mostly not in south asia at all

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Or just the mark wiens pakistan food tour that got posted all around this forum lol (that had a good collection of average laypeople of Pakistan going about their daily business). I am sure @jbgt90 saw for himself too (we are fans, I introduced the channel to him iirc).

Its like suddenly a certain argument used by so many here...is put on "hold/ignore" or some kind of glassy eyed stuff goes on.

@Joe Shearer @VCheng

Anyways its a real touchy "enter at own risk" kind of topic here...so I care not to indulge in it. But I do chuckle at the reality....there is literally two threads here on this very forum right now....one about Trump "mistaking Pakistan to be in the middle east"...and literally another thread about how Pakistan is mostly not in south asia at all

I made the mistake of entering the thread about Pakistan not being in South Asia(started by the troll who created the drama with Austerlitz and Django). You are better of not looking. The thread about trump saying Pakistan is in the Middle East has actually been quite civil so far.

It is still quite funny how some Pakistanis are so desperate to prove Paksitan is completely different from India and has nothing to do with the pagan idol worshippers. And then they say Pakistanis do not have identity crises and inferiority complexes lol.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I have tried many times to have a productive debate/discussion with that member. Every time he called me Islamaphobic for disagreeing with him, despite the fact that I have had good discussions with many other Pakistani members.

One of the bottom layer in the compost heap.

 

[Chhatrapati]

If that were true then one of ONLY 2 global superpowers would not be investing in at least $65 billion in Pakistan with many more billions earmarked for further investment in the coming years and decades. Not to mention the massive world class infrastructure projects happening all over Pakistan thanks to CPEC and the TOT of advanced weapon systems to Pakistan by China.

WHERE is the evidence that we are "not doing better as of now". Please post the links here.

Your inflation are going up, you're in circular debt. Currency is devalued like some 10+% in a year. Your growth looks meek. Your investment inflow is lower etc... That's not doing better.

But it's good to project the future with lots of will's and will be's.

 

[manlion]

I gave names not photos. Who are these people. Kammanati, Pombla serupaala adi vanguve Naaye. Is this your credible list & proof.

What about you. You are another Evangalist, sitting in foreign country like a Kantri naai barking. What's Bobby Jindal got to do with Tamil Nadu & this discussion.

Dai Thevudaye pulle talk on topic. Reel vuta proof kuduknum naaye. Jaagi vasudev Teluguva. Naara kudhi, can you prove it

Dai Sori Naaye, Changing plate, talking history. You said British & now bring Rome here. Where is your proof for Tamil British 700 yr connection

Deluded Fool. This thread is about India Pakistan not Tamil nadu. Open a new thread & see how many people will put grass for you. Why are you coming & trolling in other threads. Look at the topic heading & what you are posting deluded fool. What's Tamil nadu got to do with this thread. Un pule vetti kheema pani theru naayku poduve Kamanati. Teaching me

@Dubious please deal with this abusive member who is spewing Tamil vulgarities (highlighted in bold)

@Sheena , sorry for the late reply

dont you know pictures speaks louder than words (i.e names) ?

you asked - "Jaagi vasudev Teluguva. Naara kudhi, can you prove !!"

Here is the proof, from jaggi's own mouth , you need shut up and not strut around like a headless chicken

A certain part of this week was spent in video shooting for a Telugu Channel. It being my mother tongue, have spoken the language right from childhood, though a little contaminated by the local language around me during that time. Still, I always spoke Telugu.

source : https://isha.sadhguru.org/us/en/wisdom/sadhguru-spot/telugu-tamil-telugu

He was born as Jagadish Vasudev on 3 September 1957 in Mysore, Karnataka

https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/jaggi-vasudev-6335.php

BTW , regarding your last comment (i.e India , Pakistan not Tamilnadu) - this is not your page and I am not an Indian slave to take order from you - a 2nd class Indian slave

My deep sympathies to your parents for the poor upbringing and your PDF fan boys

 

[Joe Shearer]

Turkish and Greek union highly unlikely tho in the past there has been a idea of HellanicTurkism an idea that will merge the best of Greek Culture and Turkish Culture but seeing how both Greeks and Turks are highly doubtful that would happen, Azerbaijan with Armenia highly unlikely cause of Nagoro Karabakh and frankly the Armenians dont like Turks or Turkics despite even simmliar in culture, China and Japan sorta likely Shinzo Abe and Xi do have decent chem but Abe and his govt are firm with the US Pacific alliance maybe get a ball running but Japan should admits its mistakes in WW2 to all of Asia,Korea should reunify but be Chinese puppet state PRC is trying to that now, Good news in the Horn of Africa Eritrea and Ethiopia have restarted relations after 20 some odd years maybe if continued Turkish and Chinese investments plus some stabilty in the region could push for Somalia,Eritrea and Etihopia as one union, perhaps Sudan longer term wise, also the current Prime Minister of Etihopia is of Oromo decent and has started to improve relations with all ethnic groups, eh UK,France,Italy,Germany politically united nah those countries are not as homogenous as they were in the past but economic co-op will continue Italy should be more united with the Balkans and Med I say screw the Anglos and Germanic if I were Italy, imagine Italy,Greece,Balkan states, and Turkey as Med Union, the break up of Yugoslavia was tragic and should have never happen in the 1990s, Yugoslavia under Josip Broz Tito was strong and respected country and he did not cuck to the Americans or Russians however after he died idiot leaders like Slobadan Milosevic took over and stoked tensions between the Serbs,Croats,Bosniaks and Albanians now look the Balkans now a forward base for NATO, but if Turkey continues to invest in the Balkans I think a Balkan federation of sorts could be form maybe in the long run a return of Yugoslavia

I can't believe that you took that mocking suggestion so seriously that you actually commented on it.

You are right about Akhand bharat. that ship has sailed a long time ago and is never coming back. It is about as likely as Ghazwa e HInd. But that does not mean it was not good while it lasted

There is more than one thought possible; we don't have to be Sanghis to entertain one train of thought that is out there.

Or just the mark wiens pakistan food tour that got posted all around this forum lol (that had a good collection of average laypeople of Pakistan going about their daily business). I am sure @jbgt90 saw for himself too (we are fans, I introduced the channel to him iirc).

Its like suddenly a certain argument used by so many here...is put on "hold/ignore" or some kind of glassy eyed stuff goes on.

@Joe Shearer @VCheng

Anyways its a real touchy "enter at own risk" kind of topic here...so I care not to indulge in it. But I do chuckle at the reality....there is literally two threads here on this very forum right now....one about Trump "mistaking Pakistan to be in the middle east"...and literally another thread about how Pakistan is mostly not in south asia at all

Consider, for a moment, a concept of urbanisation and civilisation built around eight nine river basins:

• The Ganga-Yamuna
• Brahmaputra
• Mahanadi
• Godavari
• Krishna
• Kaveri
• Tungabhadra
• Narmada
• Indus

Those not living directly within these basins share the heritage and culture of nearby basins. The ancient taxonomy of peoples grouped them as Kiratas and Vanaras (that was a jibe, not to be taken seriously).

Now consider the proposition that none of these was segregated from the others; they were autonomous, but had a flourishing exchange with the others.

What would be common elements WITHIN each?

What would be common elements BETWEEN each?

Add two overlays - language and language groups, and religion and religion groups.

If we were to subtract the brain-damaged ravings of the Sanghis from these considerations, a clear picture emerges of a composite culture that exists.

The boundaries? Whatever you wish them to be; there is evidence up until the mixing zone with the Persian, there is evidence up until the mixing zone with the Chinese.

Finally, visualise some of the river cultures being closer to others of their kind and further from yet more.

Think about it.

 

[Sheena1980]

@Dubious please deal with this abusive member who is spewing Tamil vulgarities (highlighted in bold)

@Sheena , sorry for the late reply

dont you know pictures speaks louder than words (i.e names) ?

you asked - "Jaagi vasudev Teluguva. Naara kudhi, can you prove !!"

Here is the proof, from jaggi's own mouth , you need shut up and not strut around like a headless chicken


source : https://isha.sadhguru.org/us/en/wisdom/sadhguru-spot/telugu-tamil-telugu

He was born as Jagadish Vasudev on 3 September 1957 in Mysore, Karnataka

https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/jaggi-vasudev-6335.php

Perfectly right, Tamil will respect any Indian if they have wisdom & have unifying thoughts. What kind of thoughts do you have. If you are a real tamil you will speak of brotherhood not separating families. MGR was the first superstar - He was a Mallu. Rajinikant was the next superstar - He's a Maharashtrian. Abdul Kalam became the ISRO chief which is based outside TN & also became the president of India. Venkata Raman was a important figure in the Indian National Congress's who was part of resistance to the British Government, the Quit India Movement of 1942. He became the president of India.

Rajagopalachari was the last Governor-General of India, as India soon became a Republic in 1950. Furthermore, he was the first Indian-born governor-general, since before him the posts were held by British nationals. He also served as leader of the Indian National Congress, Premier of the Madras Presidency, Governor of West Bengal, Minister for Home Affairs of the Indian Union and Chief Minister of Madras state. Rajagopalachari founded the Swatantra Party and was one of the first recipients of India's highest civilian award, the Bharat Ratna.

Army
General Paramasiva Prabhakar Kumaramangalam, 7th Chief of Army Staff (1966–1969)
General Krishnaswamy Sundararajan, 14th Chief of Army Staff (1986–1988)
Navy
Admiral Oscar Stanley Dawson, 12th Chief of Naval Staff, India, 1982–1984
Admiral Sushil Kumar, 16th Chief of the Naval Staff (India) (1988–2001)
Air Force
Air Chief Marshal Srinivasapuram Krishna Swamy, 19th Chief of Air Staff (2001–2004)

This is called proof. This is called India. Want more names, I can give. I am not deluded fool like you who put your paid Bangla in the picture as propaganda & beat the drum "Picture speak more than words". I give authentic genuine proof. Put your picture first, you are a Pakistani trying to hide as Tamil to spread conspiracy. Can you prove you are not.

@Dubious
BTW , regarding your last comment (i.e India , Pakistan not Tamilnadu) - this is not your page and I am not an Indian slave to take order from you - a 2nd class Indian slave

My deep sympathies to your parents for the poor upbringing and your PDF fan boys

When did I claim this is my page. Don't troll - Follow forum rules. Talk on topic.

I don't have to prove who's slave. It tells who's slave from posts, like the way you are trying here in unknown forums & uninvited threads where nobody gives a damn to you & still you shamelessly keep writing your crap even if nobody buys it. Nobody will bother your posts, give any importance to the threads you open. That's reason you come into non related threads & post your crap which is no where related to the discussion.

They are talking about India, so I am here to defend my motherland. This is the quality of a proud Indian. Unlike you 2nd class slave who have to poke your head in others house like a uninvited guest 3rd class juvenile.

And regarding my parents - they have taught me how to deal with people who try to break homes. We are on this forum to unite Pakistan with India. You are here to break our country when nobody is interested. So why are you coming & waning here without shame. Have some self respect.

Kudumba Kalakaravane epadi sambalikinam enga appa amma nalla solli kuduthirukango. Talking upbringing. Kudumba kalakara upbringing. You lost all your influence when you killed Rajiv Gandhi - That's your upbringing not mine. If you show love we will give you love. If you come spread hatred - kambile un poole sorundi Manlion pool kababa maathi naayke poduvum.

So stop trolling - Pakistan need to reunite like Germany and Vietnam is the topic - If you have anything to contribute kindly do. You broke the the forum rules not me & tagging the mods pointing me for breaking rules. 3rd class slave.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Your inflation are going up, you're in circular debt. Currency is devalued like some 10+% in a year. Your growth looks meek. Your investment inflow is lower etc... That's not doing better.

But it's good to project the future with lots of will's and will be's.

Can you please provide evidence for your claims? If so please post the links here. You are begining to sound like those indians who used to say that it is impossible for Pakistan to ever become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance..........

Whatever our economy is doing, it's doing enough to power us in being able to defend Pakistan against our enemies who are more than 7× bigger than us, have the entire backing of the West and Russia, and have access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied that privilege,..........that is something NO other nation on earth has managed to do.......