India and Pakistan need to reunite like Germany and Vietnam: Markandey Katju

[RealNapster]

But he is right about India, Pakistan and Bangladesh to reunite

A big no to even discuss this thing if he have this mentality

He added, “Pakistan is a fake, artificial country.”

Stressing the need to reunite India and Pakistan, Katju asserted, “It is really part of India, only temporarily separated, but is bound to be reunited with it, like West and

 

[jamahir]

A big no to even discuss this thing if he have this mentality

He also said that in 2013.

He is not insulting the Pakistani people.

I believe what he really means is that the political entity called Pakistan was unnecessary and the people of current Pakistan belong to the same federation as the Indian people.

Also, I will remind PDF'ers that Mr. Katju had said that 90 percent of Indians are idiots who can be easily led into a communal riot. Please read that article. That shows that he is not some ultra-nationalist right-winger.

One solution to the problem of India-Pakistan-Bangladesh can be what I suggested in this post.

 

[jamahir]

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Similar to Libya's Jamahiriya system. Decentralized power direct to the public. The below articles give an idea of the system. "Sabha" means gathering :

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ittees-a-bright-idea/articleshow/26117411.cms

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/nor...d-kejriwal-delhi-government-179601-2014-02-03

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-aam-aadmi-self-rule/articleshow/29917180.cms

@RealNapster ^^^

 

[RealNapster]

He also said that in 2013.

He is not insulting the Pakistani people.

I believe what he really means is that the political entity called Pakistan was unnecessary and the people of current Pakistan belong to the same federation as the Indian people.

Also, I will remind PDF'ers that Mr. Katju had said that 90 percent of Indians are idiots who can be easily led into a communal riot. Please read that article. That shows that he is not some ultra-nationalist right-winger.

One solution to the problem of India-Pakistan-Bangladesh can be what I suggested in this post.

Read the solution you suggested. Interesting. I will further read on that after my exams that’s for sure.

Coming back to his comment, now, we dont care what he says about Indian public or india or even Pakistan per say. We don’t care.

But if a person starts the “gar wapsi” with the opening line “your country is fake and artificial, for last 71 hears you and your father were idiots to call themselves Pakistanis as this word is an artificial word. It sure hurts, you dont start the bargain with a shopkeeper by saying “its a terrible stuff, very cheep quality, still, tell me how much it is”.

He is entitled tl his own opinion and we have no issue with that , but some issues need Jee-huzuri (speciall when it involves Asking something). He should have choose his words more carefully.

 

[Jackdaws]

There will be an economic union in the future when the Kashmir issue is resolved. It would be a win win for all. It is fanciful for to think there would ever be a political union. But yes, if it did happen in good faith and resources which these 2 countries use for weapons and fill the pockets of outsiders could be used for education, Healthcare, water and poverty alleviation. But the chasm is too wide.

 

[El Sidd]

Mr. Katju can grab the flag of Pakistan and march to Delhi chanting '' Pakistan ka matlab kia, La Ilaha Illalah ''.

If he makes to the news, I will owe this thread a serious comment.

Thanks.

 

[Chhatrapati]

It's already happening. indian doomsday scenerios regarding Pakistan have been happening since 1947. None of which have come true.

And neither you are doing any better as of now.

 

[jamahir]

Read the solution you suggested. Interesting. I will further read on that after my exams that’s for sure.

Okay.

Coming back to his comment, now, we dont care what he says about Indian public or india or even Pakistan per say. We don’t care.

But if a person starts the “gar wapsi” with the opening line “your country is fake and artificial, for last 71 hears you and your father were idiots to call themselves Pakistanis as this word is an artificial word. It sure hurts, you dont start the bargain with a shopkeeper by saying “its a terrible stuff, very cheep quality, still, tell me how much it is”.

Understood.

He should have choose his words more carefully.

Agreed.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

And neither you are doing any better as of now.

If that were true then one of ONLY 2 global superpowers would not be investing in at least $65 billion in Pakistan with many more billions earmarked for further investment in the coming years and decades. Not to mention the massive world class infrastructure projects happening all over Pakistan thanks to CPEC and the TOT of advanced weapon systems to Pakistan by China.

WHERE is the evidence that we are "not doing better as of now". Please post the links here.

There will be an economic union in the future when the Kashmir issue is resolved. It would be a win win for all. It is fanciful for to think there would ever be a political union. But yes, if it did happen in good faith and resources which these 2 countries use for weapons and fill the pockets of outsiders could be used for education, Healthcare, water and poverty alleviation. But the chasm is too wide.

Reality is that will NEVER EVER happen.

 

[Pakistani E]

A civilization is an ever changing beast.

But at the heart of it I believe it is Blood, Faith and Soil. The three elements of unbroken continuity.

Only India continues to have all 3.

Oscar believes there is a fourth thread that surpasses all 3.

Language.

But from where I see it, that is peoplehood. Not civilization.

As I've told the Iranians across generations here many times, I can put Africans in Iran and by the second generation they will all be speaking fluent Persian.

Cheers, Doc

Civillisations are not only ever changing, they also rise and fall over time. There is nothing special about what you describe as the "Indian" civillisation that would make me want to accept its hegemony over myself and my people.

Even what you describe as "Indian" only arose due to foreign migration/invasion assimilating, destroying or co-opting local traditions. There is no saying in future if what you describe as "Indian" civilisation will even exist.

The Mayans, Atlanteans, Aztecs, Khmers, Incas, Romans, Anasazis, Olmecs, Haumakas, Sumerians, Elamites, Cannites, Hittites, Phoenician, Etruscan, Mandan, Nabataeans civillisations, amongst others, no longer exist. I am sure they they each thought of themselves so invincible that they would last till the end of times.

Please tell me why, as a Pakistani, I should adopt what you describe as "Indian" civillisation. I am not concerned that I share traits with you. I share many traits with others to the western border as well. What is so special about your civillisation?

You can put an African in Iran, that might not change anything. But if 2 million heavily armed Africans, with the resources and guile to takeover, migrated to Iran around 2000 years ago, then I am sure the Iranians would be speaking an African language today. After all, that is exactly how the Iranians themselves came to be.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

If that were true then one of ONLY 2 global superpowers would not be investing in at least $65 billion in Pakistan with many more billions earmarked for further investment in the coming years and decades. Not to mention the massive world class infrastructure projects happening all over Pakistan thanks to CPEC and the TOT of advanced weapon systems to Pakistan by China.

WHERE is the evidence that we are "not doing better as of now". Please post the links here.






Reality is that will NEVER EVER happen.

Well if that's your criteria for success than all 3 global superpowers are investing in India. Also when did there only become two global superpowers?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Pakistanis can decide who they are and who they are close with.

We don’t let our enemy nations decide our destiny for us.

N and PPP lost, now it is the age for Pakistani nationalism and religious revival.

I follow with sadness the ongoing debate over racial traits. My grandfather is a Balkan emigrant, my elders lived in the land of Shkodra for centuries. My mother is a Kurdish. There is no chance to choose our family, but we can change how we look at the world.

India has tried to invade Pakistan three times, and stolen our Kashmir province.

It is like Serbia. If they had their chance, it will outdo Sarajevo.

There will be an economic union in the future when the Kashmir issue is resolved. It would be a win win for all. It is fanciful for to think there would ever be a political union. But yes, if it did happen in good faith and resources which these 2 countries use for weapons and fill the pockets of outsiders could be used for education, Healthcare, water and poverty alleviation. But the chasm is too wide.

Where do you find such optimism, I will never know.

You Indian trolls take breaks from abusing Pakistanis to try to force your wishes on us.

Pakistan and Indian animosity is permanent as we represent two different civilization and viewpoints of the world.

Prophet Muhammad saws already gave us the good news of the re-conquest of Hindustan during the time of Mahdi and Isa AS.

 

[Moonlight]

India doesn’t even want peace in region let alone the idea of unification.
It would be enough to just have peace.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Heh, the mention of blobs on my part was a nod to a completely different forum/set up, unrelated to modern day politics, where there are arguments about certain AI controlled empires that constantly spawn and absorb all surrounding countries.

The better argument or word to use, would be sphere of influence, perhaps?



Agreed. Although, even if we stick with the underwear sizes, I think we have the Indians beat.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

OOH!

Note to myself: never use that one again. Remember they wear it baggy, like the Aussies wear their cricket caps.

It would be nice if all Desi countries could just break away from the world and placed in one corner where if nuked, there would be no impact on the rest of the world. There's just too many Brownies for my liking in this world

Good point.

But obviously THOSE brownies would be PLT, not PLU.

WE would be in our sequestered zone, separate from both of those.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

He also said that in 2013.

He is not insulting the Pakistani people.

I believe what he really means is that the political entity called Pakistan was unnecessary and the people of current Pakistan belong to the same federation as the Indian people.

Also, I will remind PDF'ers that Mr. Katju had said that 90 percent of Indians are idiots who can be easily led into a communal riot. Please read that article. That shows that he is not some ultra-nationalist right-winger.

One solution to the problem of India-Pakistan-Bangladesh can be what I suggested in this post.

I can respect you as my Muslim brother.

There can be unity between Pakistanis, Kashmiris, and Indian Muslims.

However, what the Hindu Indians have showed us of their deep-seated hate, inferiority complex, and constant conniving, we want noting to do with that.

We were not born yesterday, we have been observing India for 71 years.

If Kashmiris are the litmus test, then India has failed terribly. Our destiny is to our West and North now, we have left the Subcontinent behind.

Our friendship with Turkey, China, and the Arabs is most important to us. Our destiny is intertwined with our neighbors, Afghanistan and Iran.