India and Pakistan Are Edging Closer to War in 2020

[xyx007]

Spot on with your analysis. As long as the civil society and people of two countries start respecting each other and our religion, these incidents will be happening through out for next 50 year.

There are few ways we can solve the problem.

1- Cultural reconciliation between 2 societies. After partition, we never reconciled with each other. There are many stupid people in India who beleived in Akhand Bharat. This is one of the stupid and creepiest idea. Having 130 crore people and breeding like rabbits, why do we, Indian, to add more poor people into our nationhood? So these Indian people should accept and understand and feel happy with whatever we have now and move on.
2- Pakistan is a living entity as a nation. Significant number of people, societies and politician of India has no question about it. Pakistan has to beleive, that India is not interested to occupy any part of the territory of Pakistan( Kashmir is a separate topic altogether)
3- Otherwise, start initiating a decisive war. Let million people die and start building a new nation from scratch.

I respect your vision but it is too late at your end, you brew such society by your political leadership the recent climate marks a new turn for India. The Dramatic events of late have raked up old conflicts — such as the Kashmir and the rivalry between India and Pakistan — in a new social media age. India is the largest market in the world for Facebook and WhatsApp and the fastest-growing market for Twitter. Online mobs have been swift to attack even the most unexpected targets and the consequences of speaking their minds have been more serious in India and label you as a traitor.it had endangered millions of lives. you guys need IK like leadership in your society.

 

[Kaniska]

Kashmir can't be compared with any of the regions you mentioned

It has a unique history and background. Doesn't apply to any other region

Every human misery has its own unique history. But sufferings are common amongst all. The sufferings of people or Tibet, Western Province of China, Tamils of Srilanka, Syrian people and the list goes on, is not anything different than Kashmir. It is just a matter of convenience where nations cherry-pick the situation based on their own convenience.

I respect your vision but it is too late at your end, you brew such society by your political leadership the recent climate marks a new turn for India. The Dramatic events of late have raked up old conflicts — such as the Kashmir and the rivalry between India and Pakistan — in a new social media age. India is the largest market in the world for Facebook and WhatsApp and the fastest-growing market for Twitter. Online mobs have been swift to attack even the most unexpected targets and the consequences of speaking their minds have been more serious in India and label you as a traitor.it had endangered millions of lives. you guys need IK like leadership in your society.

Thank you for having a sense of sanity in our discussion.

I am an optimistic person. I have seen the worst of India Pakistan relationsip in 1985-90 during Zia period. And we are more or less going through the same phase from India in BJP -Modi period.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

"He was a great Hindu" - Jinnah in his condolence note upon the assassination of MK Gandhi

 

[Areesh]

Every human misery has its own unique history. But sufferings are common amongst all. The sufferings of people or Tibet, Western Province of China, Tamils of Srilanka, Syrian people and the list goes on, is not anything different than Kashmir. It is just a matter of convenience where nations cherry-pick the situation based on their own convenience.

Not every case is same. Not every murder case is same

Kashmir can't be compared to any region that you named. Only comparison can be made with Palestine but even in that Kashmir has its own unique history.

 

[Kaniska]

Not every case is same. Not every murder case is same

Kashmir can't be compared to any region that you named. Only comparison can be made with Palestine but even in that Kashmir has its own unique history.

It is just a matter of convenience where nations cherry-pick the situation based on their own convenience.

 

[Areesh]

It is just a matter of convenience where nations cherry-pick the situation based on their own convenience.

No it isn't

A globally recognized disputed territory would always be different from any other territory

 

[xyx007]

Every human misery has its own unique history. But sufferings are common amongst all. The sufferings of people or Tibet, Western Province of China, Tamils of Srilanka, Syrian people and the list goes on, is not anything different than Kashmir. It is just a matter of convenience where nations cherry-pick the situation based on their own convenience.



Thank you for having a sense of sanity in our discussion.

I am an optimistic person. I have seen the worst of India Pakistan relationsip in 1985-90 during Zia period. And we are more or less going through the same phase from India in BJP -Modi period.

We don't even want war. it is not good for both nations. it is our Islamic teaching to holding us and give first preference to peaceful negotiation on any conflict but Modi and his gang thought peace with them is our weakness ...but he's forgetting our Islamic teaching also taught us how to retaliate without any fear of our enemy.

 

[khansaheeb]

So when are you fighting??? Are you ready for a war....??

War has already begun by ********, it just about to escalate.

 

[TNT]

I hope it does happen. The only way hindutvas will learn. We are ready.

 

[YeBeWarned]

See....how conveniently, you are now trying to retract yourself with protective words like few people are protesting on the street. HK people are protesting to be out of China since long. It is not like few people are protesting on the street. Tibet is occupied by China forcibly. Western Province of China is treating their own Muslims citizen differently and it is debated in this forum. Tamils rebelled against Sri Lanka to become an independent nation and you fully supported Sri Lankan state. How the Kashmir separatism is a different human right situation than other issues.

Again you missed the part, Kashmir is UN recognized Disputed land, its not like we made this mess in early 1990's this is going since the partition , there is a reason it is called Partition unfinished business . As for China , I am not Chinese spokesperson , they can answer for their own issues, but What I do know that India started the state Sponsor terrorism by Arming and training Mukti Bahini Terrorists, it is a well known fact now and India openly take pride in it . So for Pakistan it is more of a revenge thing to make sure we Support every Separatist Movement in India . But thing is Pakistan is not interested in Assam or 15+ other separatists Movements, we just need our Kashmir back and I am certain that once Kashmir issue is solved than we can finally have Peace between the two countries .

Let us accept the fact that you want Kashmir because you want to expand your territory and believe that Muslims are the sole inheritor of South Asia. It is just a matter of an ego that is forcing Pakistan to keep supporting this movement. It is nothing about human rights nor about sensitivity for oppressed people.

Honestly, we want Kashmir because Muhammad Ali Jinnah Said its our Jugular vein , and People of Kashmir still consider themselves Pakistani's , Nah we don't take things the way you mentioned, Pakistani's are now getting over with this whole Ummah or One nation BS, we are done with it and now we just want our govt to put Pakistan first, thing is for India it is also a matter of Ego, Don't you think ? India has to put Hundreds of thousands of Troops just to keep peace, and than we have mass graves, mass rape , mass murder , whole towns burned , young kids taken away , people forced to chant Anti Pakistan slogans, what does that reflect ? Lets not assume that Main land Indian Hindu's love or like Kashmiri Muslims, they hate and despise them , so basically India is just keeping it satisfy its ego and its a good Story for Hindu people to tell their kids at night as the 1000 year of Muslim rule over Hindustand still bother the masses .

 

[Thorough Pro]

Pakistan didn't even tolerate the loss of a crow and a couple of trees ............. you can try again but not every IAF pilot might be as lucky as Abhinandan

On a serious note, India and Pakistan are both are just fooling their people....BJP will just do small LOC incidents and pretend as if fighting a war with Pakistan...And Pakistan will always have an excuse of the economy and will never initiate war...Now, in this scenario, why do you think any full-blown war will happen in the next 20 years?

Anyway, i do not want to put water on the enthusiasm of the OP to see any war happening in the coming days. But the ground reality is different....In next 4 year, Modi will be out of power. There will be another Non BJP Gov will come to power in India and they will do the same goodie goodie thing as it was done in last 70 year with respect to Pakistan...Then people will be busy in their regular life and start watching cricket matches in our homes. This is the ground reality of India Pakistan relation.

 

[Rusty]

@Kaniska
I sense some sincerity in your posts (rare for an Indian) so I will give you an honest response.

If you can put aside your Indian nationalism and look at it from a neutral point of view, you will realize that India is completely wrong on Kashmir, and here is why:

1. India agreed to let Muslim majority areas go to Pakistan, and they would get non-Muslim majority areas. Keep in mind that the vast majority of the land was non - Muslim majority so India got MASSIVE amounts of land already.

2. Pakistan and India mutually agreed that they would not honor the 3rd option of "going independent"
All states were to go to Pakistan or India.

3. Hyderabad, Junagadh, and a few other sultans wanted to go to Pakistan, but India invaded and forced them to go to India. We Pakistanis do not have a problem with this as they were Hindu majority and were rightfully Indian.

4. Kashmir had the opposite situation and yet India also invaded Kashmir.

5. Patel told Nehru to not get involved in Kashmir, he said it was going to be a mess.

6. Here we are now with nukes pointed at each other, wasting considerable resources fighting.

I am not saying Pakistan is some innocent state and India is evil.
Pakistan has it's own skeletons.

However, it is undeniable that if Nehru had just listened to Patel and left Kashmir to Pakistan, the world would have been a better place and India/Pakistan relations would be much warmer.

 

[M.Bison]

@Kaniska
I sense some sincerity in your posts (rare for an Indian) so I will give you an honest response.

If you can put aside your Indian nationalism and look at it from a neutral point of view, you will realize that India is completely wrong on Kashmir, and here is why:

1. India agreed to let Muslim majority areas go to Pakistan, and they would get non-Muslim majority areas. Keep in mind that the vast majority of the land was non - Muslim majority so India got MASSIVE amounts of land already.

2. Pakistan and India mutually agreed that they would not honor the 3rd option of "going independent"
All states were to go to Pakistan or India.

3. Hyderabad, Junagadh, and a few other sultans wanted to go to Pakistan, but India invaded and forced them to go to India. We Pakistanis do not have a problem with this as they were Hindu majority and were rightfully Indian.

4. Kashmir had the opposite situation and yet India also invaded Kashmir.

5. Patel told Nehru to not get involved in Kashmir, he said it was going to be a mess.

6. Here we are now with nukes pointed at each other, wasting considerable resources fighting.

I am not saying Pakistan is some innocent state and India is evil.
Pakistan has it's own skeletons.

However, it is undeniable that if Nehru had just listened to Patel and left Kashmir to Pakistan, the world would have been a better place and India/Pakistan relations would be much warmer.

Good points but this is what people don't realize. India want to dominate Pakistan and it is not a BJP exclusive idea. Congress is actually worse because they hide behind the secular veil. Both sides of the Indian political domain see Muslims in a bad light and this is what Quaid-e-Azam was talking about. Even if Kashmir was with Pakistan, Hindus would still want to attack Pakistan. There is no reconciliation with these people and the Muslims of India will start realizing this very soon.

Now coming to Indians like Kaniska. These people are hypocrites because when it suits their narrative they will join BJP and when it suits their narrative they will become secular. This dude is a moron. He defends rape, torture and occupation as long as it suits his narrative.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

"We, as a nation of (a) billion people, think like a nation of (a) million people" - Indian ex President Abdul Kalam

No wonder 17 Turkic horsemen (Akinji) conquered Bengal (the richest place of the time) without chopping off a single head...

For a reason the following HALE UAV is named Akinji....

 

[BringHarmony]

@Kaniska
I sense some sincerity in your posts (rare for an Indian) so I will give you an honest response.

If you can put aside your Indian nationalism and look at it from a neutral point of view, you will realize that India is completely wrong on Kashmir, and here is why:

1. India agreed to let Muslim majority areas go to Pakistan, and they would get non-Muslim majority areas. Keep in mind that the vast majority of the land was non - Muslim majority so India got MASSIVE amounts of land already.

2. Pakistan and India mutually agreed that they would not honor the 3rd option of "going independent"
All states were to go to Pakistan or India.

3. Hyderabad, Junagadh, and a few other sultans wanted to go to Pakistan, but India invaded and forced them to go to India. We Pakistanis do not have a problem with this as they were Hindu majority and were rightfully Indian.

4. Kashmir had the opposite situation and yet India also invaded Kashmir.

5. Patel told Nehru to not get involved in Kashmir, he said it was going to be a mess.

6. Here we are now with nukes pointed at each other, wasting considerable resources fighting.

I am not saying Pakistan is some innocent state and India is evil.
Pakistan has it's own skeletons.

However, it is undeniable that if Nehru had just listened to Patel and left Kashmir to Pakistan, the world would have been a better place and India/Pakistan relations would be much warmer.

Thats actually interesting. I did some reading on this J&K issue as it is quite popular in the circles I move (mostly having Pakistan and Indian folks). So here are something I found...

1. Patell wanted Hyderabad (it was held by some local king who was muslim I guess) and was ready to let go Kashmir.

2. Patell suffered a setback and surprise in Junagraha (again held by a local Muslim king). The local king acceded to Pakistan and Patell expected Jinnha to turn him down based on Hindu population. This was September 1947. See this news paper article : https://www.thenews.com.pk/tns/detail/555860-junagadh-legally-pakistan

Menon still thought that Junagadh would accede to India, but the new Dewan, Sir Shah Nawaz Bhutto, a staunch Muslim-Leaguer, had by September 15, and persuaded the Nawab to accede to Pakistan. The notification of this accession in the newspapers outraged New Delhi which simply could not allow the presence of Pakistani territory deep inside India. Nehru wrote to Liaquat Ali Khan that "in case Junagadh became a part of the federation of Pakistan, Government of India cannot be expected to acquiesce to such an arrangement." Jinnah, being a constitutional layer himself, was simply struck by such a statement from Nehru and wrote to Mountbatten saying that Nehru’s objection was "totally inconceivable and untenable….the position of Indian states is very clearly defined and it was repeatedly accepted that after the lapse of paramountcy, every Indian state is independent and sovereign and free to join Pakistan or India Dominion."

3. This gave Nehroo enough ammunition to shut Patell down. When in October 47, time came for Kashmir, this time the board was laid the other way round. It was a Hindu King wanting to join India with a massive Muslim population in the kingdom. It basically allowed Nehroo to argue that by the same token that Jinha used to defend Junagar's accession to Pakistan, he could seek Kashmir to join India. He also had some personal interest in the region as it was his native place or something.

So in all, it was Pakistan who broke this gentleman's agreement of letting Muslim regions join Pakistan and Hindu join India, in September '47. This lead to India playing the same game in October 47 in Kashmir.