India and Pakistan Are Edging Closer to War in 2020

[Kaniska]

The more and more I look into it, the more it appears to me that India and Pakistan are already in a state of war and perhaps have been in such a state since last 30 years or so. The ebbs and flows are treated as periods of peace and war but neither side actually stopped fighting or firing.

Spot on with your analysis. As long as the civil society and people of two countries start respecting each other and our religion, these incidents will be happening through out for next 50 year.

There are few ways we can solve the problem.

1- Cultural reconciliation between 2 societies. After partition, we never reconciled with each other. There are many stupid people in India who beleived in Akhand Bharat. This is one of the stupid and creepiest idea. Having 130 crore people and breeding like rabbits, why do we, Indian, to add more poor people into our nationhood? So these Indian people should accept and understand and feel happy with whatever we have now and move on.
2- Pakistan is a living entity as a nation. Significant number of people, societies and politician of India has no question about it. Pakistan has to beleive, that India is not interested to occupy any part of the territory of Pakistan( Kashmir is a separate topic altogether)
3- Otherwise, start initiating a decisive war. Let million people die and start building a new nation from scratch.

 

[Longhorn]

On a serious note, India and Pakistan are both are just fooling their people....BJP will just do small LOC incidents and pretend as if fighting a war with Pakistan...And Pakistan will always have an excuse of the economy and will never initiate war...Now, in this scenario, why do you think any full-blown war will happen in the next 20 years?

Anyway, i do not want to put water on the enthusiasm of the OP to see any war happening in the coming days. But the ground reality is different....In next 4 year, Modi will be out of power. There will be another Non BJP Gov will come to power in India and they will do the same goodie goodie thing as it was done in last 70 year with respect to Pakistan...Then people will be busy in their regular life and start watching cricket matches in our homes. This is the ground reality of India Pakistan relation.

A very dangerous scenario.
The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry.
A confrontation intended to be limited can quickly get out of hand and escalate into a full scale conflict with unintended and unforseen consequences.
War is always the result of miscalculation by one side or the other. They never end as originally intended.

 

[YeBeWarned]

For a moment, let us assume that Pulwama is no way related to Pakistan...But can you deny the fact that Pakistan is not associated with anti national elements of India? India support of any strike of our army in Pakistan is the our frustration that we are patiently tolerating Pakistan and their constant support to anti Indian elements since we are kids. Forget about even Pulwama, there are counteless major incidents in India that was tracked back to Pakistan based outfits.

Why do we have to assume ? There is your media , International media reports on the person who did the act was from IOK . Well Anti Indian elements, hmmm Tell me who started all that ? Wasn't it India who first start the state sponsor Terrorism by Army the Mukti Bahini ? if we have to take out our Frustration over 1971 we would have nuked India by now, India take Pride in her role in 1971 so why we are bad guys when we support the separatists of Kashmir ? which is a Disputed land unlike the East Pakistan ? Trust me our frustration is far bigger than yours .. Since i was a kid we are hearing about Balochistan insurgency and we all know who fund and fuel it ?
Do you have any Idea how many people we lost in Insurgency ? how many soldiers we lost in 71 ? how many Civilians and LEA we lost in Baluchistan ? You are not the innocent one here, so no matter how much your country try to be saints, truth is it is your country who all started this .

Pakistan returning our pilot is perceived as your weakness. Personally, I may applaud IK for his interest with peace, but peace can not be achieved by releasing Indian soldier and in parallel, supporting Kashmir separatism in India.

Some see as weakness some see as a peaceful gesture, we can't satisfy everyone nor can IK he is a Human not Allah or some Prophet . And Pakistan will always support Kashmir separatism cause its not your land, the people don't want to live with you , the People despise you , and above All India is supporting BLA , BRA , TTP and JuA so aren't we both equals ?

 

[GumNaam]

So when are you fighting??? Are you ready for a war....??

as per your own military, we've already started an open but undeclared war by way of BAT teams, infiltrators and the cover fires on your posts and bases. the question is, when are you gonna grow a backbone and actually respond instead of turning tail and taking out your frustration on unarmed civilians?

 

[Kaniska]

A very dangerous scenario.
The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry.
A confrontation intended to be limited can quickly get out of hand and escalate into a full scale conflict with unintended and unforseen consequences.
War is always the result of miscalculation by one side or the other. They never end as originally intended.

I completely agree with you...But we have escalated out situation beyond a threshold where minor conflicts can be prevented. Basically, BJP-India is following same strategy which was followed by Zia Ul Haq in 1980. Imran Khan is smart enough to understand the pros and cons of playing into the hand of BJP India so he is trying to avoid any conflict in the border.

as per your own military, we've already started an open but undeclared war by way of BAT teams, infiltrators and the cover fires on your posts and bases. the question is, when are you gonna grow a backbone and actually respond instead of turning tail and taking out your frustration on unarmed civilians?

Did not you read my earlier post? Indian Gov is fooling its own people with all these BAT/RAT AND MAT stories. So it is not like only Pakistan Army is only expert is misleading your people, we have learned this skill from you and now trying to be better than you.

Why do we have to assume ? There is your media , International media reports on the person who did the act was from IOK . Well Anti Indian elements, hmmm Tell me who started all that ? Wasn't it India who first start the state sponsor Terrorism by Army the Mukti Bahini ? if we have to take out our Frustration over 1971 we would have nuked India by now, India take Pride in her role in 1971 so why we are bad guys when we support the separatists of Kashmir ? which is a Disputed land unlike the East Pakistan ? Trust me our frustration is far bigger than yours .. Since i was a kid we are hearing about Balochistan insurgency and we all know who fund and fuel it ?
Do you have any Idea how many people we lost in Insurgency ? how many soldiers we lost in 71 ? how many Civilians and LEA we lost in Baluchistan ? You are not the innocent one here, so no matter how much your country try to be saints, truth is it is your country who all started this .



Some see as weakness some see as a peaceful gesture, we can't satisfy everyone nor can IK he is a Human not Allah or some Prophet . And Pakistan will always support Kashmir separatism cause its not your land, the people don't want to live with you , the People despise you , and above All India is supporting BLA , BRA , TTP and JuA so aren't we both equals ?

If India stop supporting BLA, BRA and add any one to your list, will you stop supporting Kashmir? Your answer is enough to explain why are we in state of war at border.

Even people of Tibet, Eastern Province of China, your Balochistan may not be happy with you or China? Does that mean, every one will start creating a separate country?

 

[GumNaam]

I completely agree with you...But we have escalated out situation beyond a threshold where minor conflicts can be prevented. Basically, BJP-India is following same strategy which was followed by Zia Ul Haq in 1980. Imran Khan is smart enough to understand the pros and cons of playing into the hand of BJP India so he is trying to avoid any conflict in the border.



Did not you read my earlier post? Indian Gov is fooling its own people with all these BAT/RAT AND MAT stories. So it is not like only Pakistan Army is only expert is misleading your people, we have learned this skill from you and now trying to be better than you.

oh but I thought you were a "glowing democracy" where there are check and balances and the government can't lie and get away with it?

 

[Kaniska]

oh but I thought you were a "glowing democracy" where there are check and balances and the government can't lie and get away with it?

I am sorry bud...We have a fascination for Pakistan....So BJP India is just trying to be of Pakistan under Zia Ul Haw in 1980's.

 

[GumNaam]

I am sorry bud...We have a fascination for Pakistan....So BJP India is just trying to be of Pakistan under Zia Ul Haw in 1980's.

yes, Agreed. india and indians actually DO have a fascination of Pakistan, you guys are TOTALLY in awe of us. After all, BAAP AKHIR BAAP HO TA HAY.

 

[YeBeWarned]

If India stop supporting BLA, BRA and add any one to your list, will you stop supporting Kashmir? Your answer is enough to explain why are we in state of war at border.

No, because Kashmir is disputed , East Pakistan , Baluchistan is not dispute between India and Pakistan , So India first start this state sponsor terrorism will make sure we will never stop and we are morally right to do so, we did no act preemptively, its all a reaction . Pakistan has dedicated a lot for Kashmir ,we lost soldiers ,we lost our Image in the world , we lost a lot for Kashmir we wont stop at nothing but India withdrawal from the Kashmir , honestly my opinion matters least cause i am no position to make decisions but this is how I see all this .

Even people of Tibet, Eastern Province of China, your Balochistan may not be happy with you or China? Does that mean, every one will start creating a separate country?

If the territory is disputed than yes there is always a margin of independence or your enemies exploiting the unrest . Kashmiri were promised certain things which they never get, Kashmir share border with Pakistan with around 40% Kashmir is with Pakistan, If Baluchistan share border with India and Hundreds of Thousands rally and fight to be joined with India, than we all know what would India have done .

 

[Kaniska]

No, because Kashmir is disputed , East Pakistan , Baluchistan is not dispute between India and Pakistan , So India first start this state sponsor terrorism will make sure we will never stop and we are morally right to do so, we did no act preemptively, its all a reaction . Pakistan has dedicated a lot for Kashmir ,we lost soldiers ,we lost our Image in the world , we lost a lot for Kashmir we wont stop at nothing but India withdrawal from the Kashmir , honestly my opinion matters least cause i am no position to make decisions but this is how I see all this .



If the territory is disputed than yes there is always a margin of independence or your enemies exploiting the unrest . Kashmiri were promised certain things which they never get, Kashmir share border with Pakistan with around 40% Kashmir is with Pakistan, If Baluchistan share border with India and Hundreds of Thousands rally and fight to be joined with India, than we all know what would India have done .

Keep your Balochistan to yourself mate. If you equate issue is humanity of population with a matter of dispute or not, then there is no point in debating here. Our discussion point is about people who are not happy with any country, should they be allowed to be independent?

 

[Areesh]

Keep your Balochistan to yourself mate. If you equate issue is humanity of population with a matter of dispute or not, then there is no point in debating here. Our discussion point is about people who are not happy with any country, should they be allowed to be independent?

Comparing Balochistan with Kashmir is nothing but intellectual dishonesty

There is no comparison

 

[Kaniska]

Comparing Balochistan with Kashmir is nothing but intellectual dishonesty

There is no comparison

Then let us compare with something else. How about HK/Tibet/Syria/ Or anything you can choose from the list of areas where problem exists. My objective is to bring analogy in seeking for independence when people are not happy with the country.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Keep your Balochistan to yourself mate. If you equate issue is humanity of population with a matter of dispute or not, then there is no point in debating here. Our discussion point is about people who are not happy with any country, should they be allowed to be independent?

I used Baluchistan as example of Foreign interference , but i already explain People can want many things but Kashmir is different its a occupied land with huge force to deter , you can't compare that to few people rallying to ask for certain things or express their anger or unhappiness with the state .

 

[Kaniska]

I used Baluchistan as example of Foreign interference , but i already explain People can want many things but Kashmir is different its a occupied land with huge force to deter , you can't compare that to few people rallying to ask for certain things or express their anger or unhappiness with the state .

See....how conveniently, you are now trying to retract yourself with protective words like few people are protesting on the street. HK people are protesting to be out of China since long. It is not like few people are protesting on the street. Tibet is occupied by China forcibly. Western Province of China is treating their own Muslims citizen differently and it is debated in this forum. Tamils rebelled against Sri Lanka to become an independent nation and you fully supported Sri Lankan state. How the Kashmir separatism is a different human right situation than other issues.

Let us accept the fact that you want Kashmir because you want to expand your territory and believe that Muslims are the sole inheritor of South Asia. It is just a matter of an ego that is forcing Pakistan to keep supporting this movement. It is nothing about human rights nor about sensitivity for oppressed people.

 

[Areesh]

Then let us compare with something else. How about HK/Tibet/Syria/ Or anything you can choose from the list of areas where problem exists. My objective is to bring analogy in seeking for independence when people are not happy with the country.

Kashmir can't be compared with any of the regions you mentioned

It has a unique history and background. Doesn't apply to any other region