India Ahead : How will PAF counter IAF - FGFA/PAKFA ?

[Aslan]

IAF aims induction of PAK-FA by 2018 and seems consistent with the latest assessment by the Primeminister Vladimir Putin and Indian Defence Minister Mr. Antony who claimed recently that Russian and Indian Airforces shall induct the First Fifth Gen Fighters by 2016-2018 respectively.




JXX ? .
This is the best hope for Pakistan but not before 2030 which makes PAF behind IAF by atleast a decade.
Russia and US have shown that from the first flight till induction, it would take nearly a decade to mature and induct the Actual Fighter.
This means that even if China tests JXX today, it wont be ready by 2020-25.

PAK FA is almost done project. Except the engine every systems are already developed like AESA radars, OLS etc etc. They only need flight evolutions. As far as I know they wanted to induct it by 2013 but due to engine development problem revised it to 2015. The word is directly from Mr. Putin.

See the article again and I have highlighted it for you where it says the 10 years period, so as far as I know pakfa just recently got tested, so call me what ever 10 years from last year is still 2019

 

[thunder rules]

pakfa is JV which means both countries will have the production simultaneously. so it wont take 6- 7years. we can expect 100 pakfa before 2020 or 21. when Indo-China relationship grows you people wont be getting things the way you are getting it now...

yes i knw its a jv but be realistic .. how come india will produce 100 pakfas in just 2 years??[:o] even usa cant do that.. even it will take russia 4 years at least to cross 100+

and plz dont make a fool of ur self pak china relations are getting stronger and stronger and its just not limited to politics its beyond that. and dont worry if one opportunity is closed then another is waiting for u..

 

[Windjammer]

Let's be a little realistic here, the supposedly super duper MKIs have been in the Indian service for a decade, during most of this period Pakistan was under sanctions, take the 2002 stand off for example when a million souls were virtually eyeball to eyeball, the only luxury for Pakistan were a dozen or so F-7PGs, what stopped India from executing it's designs, more recently the terminologies of Cold start, surgical strikes have been laid on the back burner. One wonders what magic wand would PAK-FA posses to give PAF any headache, specially now since it's in a much stronger position than ever.
And let's not forget what Chuck Yeagar once commented, "A plane is only as good as it's pilot".

 

[thunder rules]

india was alwaz superior in numerical terms in past but pakistan has alwaz managed to give india mind shaking time .

 

[ramu]

Let's be a little realistic here, the supposedly super duper MKIs have been in the Indian service for a decade, during most of this period Pakistan was under sanctions, take the 2002 stand off for example when a million souls were virtually eyeball to eyeball, the only luxury for Pakistan were a dozen or so F-7PGs, what stopped India from executing it's designs, more recently the terminologies of Cold start, surgical strikes have been laid on the back burner. One wonders what magic wand would PAK-FA posses to give PAF any headache, specially now since it's in a much stronger position than ever.
And let's not forget what Chuck Yeagar once commented, "A plane is only as good as it's pilot".

WJ, it was not the result that India feared. it was the loses on our side forget the total destruction on the other. The surprise element was not there. It was a mistake by the political class to garner the forces in a view to the international community.

About the mismatch you spoke. Don't gloat on this as the reasons for backing down was more than what meets the eye. Indian objectives were never territorial and the reality was the military rule in Pakistan. India gained a lot under mush as he was instrumental in making the first step of moving away from terror as a state policy. Politics is not about war but polite tricks and war is never about polite tricks.

 

[Kinetic]

Let's be a little realistic here, the supposedly super duper MKIs have been in the Indian service for a decade, during most of this period Pakistan was under sanctions, take the 2002 stand off for example when a million souls were virtually eyeball to eyeball, the only luxury for Pakistan were a dozen or so F-7PGs, what stopped India from executing it's designs, more recently the terminologies of Cold start, surgical strikes have been laid on the back burner. One wonders what magic wand would PAK-FA posses to give PAF any headache, specially now since it's in a much stronger position than ever.
And let's not forget what Chuck Yeagar once commented, "A plane is only as good as it's pilot".

If Pakistan was under sanction so as India. So whats the point? We still don't rely on US for most of our systems including fighters!

 

[thunder rules]

Guess this is the reason the whole world is concerned about Pakistan's nuke arsenal and its use ..

not the whole world just a few western countries like usa and Jewish and Hindu lobby they even dont want iran to get access to nuclear tech how come these will accept Pakistan as nuclear power.

and india is doing its best to make Pakistan to turn down its nukes so that it can attack easily but current pakistani nukes dosnt allow india to cross pakistani borders..

 

[ramu]

not the whole world just a few western countries like usa and Jewish and Hindu lobby they even dont want iran to get access to nuclear tech how come these will accept Pakistan as nuclear power.

and india is doing its best to make Pakistan to turn down its nukes so that it can attack easily but current pakistani nukes dosnt allow india to cross pakistani borders..

Why do you bring religion in to everything ? It is unfortunate to see educated Pakistanis see the world within the narrow realm of a Jew, Hindu or a Muslim.

 

[Kinetic]

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windjammer

One wonders what magic wand would PAK-FA posses to give PAF any headache, specially now since it's in a much stronger position than ever.

Stronger position means superiority. But what weapons PAF have that IAF doesn't? Does they have number superiority like China No. But fighters like MKI and PAK FA are different game all together. Specially PAK FA will be invincible in Indo-PAK scenario because of ultra long range missiles, sensors and stealth.

If PAF were inducting 30 PAK FA instead of IAF than PAF>=IAF though IAF has much more number of fighters.

 

[syntax_error]

not the whole world just a few western countries like usa and Jewish and Hindu lobby they even dont want iran to get access to nuclear tech how come these will accept Pakistan as nuclear power.

and india is doing its best to make Pakistan to turn down its nukes so that it can attack easily but current pakistani nukes dosnt allow india to cross pakistani borders..

Agreed but Pakistan so easily and so frequently flaunts its nuke card ... thats the worry....its like u poke us a bit and we will land the nuke hammer.....
soon with this kind dependency on ur nukes u might find that in the future that nukes from becoming your last option might become your only (conveniently) option....

 

[thunder rules]

Why do you bring religion in to everything ? It is unfortunate to see educated Pakistanis see the world within the narrow realm of a Jew, Hindu or a Muslim.

i knw its sad but its true.. they are against us and looking at their behavior vice versa from our side as well.. they are doing what even they can to destabilize pakistan , force pakisttan to provide access to its nukes by hook or by crook . they are working on their agendas and we are working on ours. when they cant see iran to get nukes how can they tolerate pakistan?? use ur head

 

[thunder rules]

Agreed but Pakistan so easily and so frequently flaunts its nuke card ... thats the worry....its like u poke us a bit and we will land the nuke hammer.....
soon with this kind dependency on ur nukes u might find that in the future that nukes from becoming your last option might become your only (conveniently) option....

unfortunately its the only main deterrence we have against india because we are not getting support in order to get our desire defense equipment from west due to which might make Pakistan weaker in long term although Pakistan currently hold a very much lethal forces and defense equipment other then nukes but we have to think for future as well and west is hardly supporting Pakistan in this regard now we have few options like china . and its obvious nukes are the last option because both countries are nuclear capable and any misuse of such technology from india or pakistan will cause sever demages and dont worry our nukes are only to make india and israel to stay in her limits we dont intend to use them

 

[Tiger Awan]

If Pakistan was under sanction so as India. So whats the point? We still don't rely on US for most of our systems including fighters!

what????

whats your point? India was getting whatever it wanted from Russia, but Pakistan could not (from America)

Yes you do not rely on America in the same manner as on Russia, but we did! Your supply line was clear not ours, that was his point!!

 

[Windjammer]

WJ, it was not the result that India feared. it was the loses on our side forget the total destruction on the other. The surprise element was not there. It was a mistake by the political class to garner the forces in a view to the international community.

About the mismatch you spoke. Don't gloat on this as the reasons for backing down was more than what meets the eye. Indian objectives were never territorial and the reality was the military rule in Pakistan. India gained a lot under mush as he was instrumental in making the first step of moving away from terror as a state policy. Politics is not about war but polite tricks and war is never about polite tricks.

Well unlike most, i happened to be in Pakistan during the summer of 2002, and believe me i know a little more than i care to share.
You don't shift a million soldiers just to indulge in a brinkmanship.
Rather than buckling under any pressure, one can recall General Musharraf's order of the day to his troops as simple as "Do or Die" call. And since Chatisingpura massacre happened during this eventful period, it's easy to conclude that some one is not coming clean.

 

[syntax_error]

unfortunately its the only main deterrence we have against india because we are not getting support in order to get our desire defense equipment from west due to which might make Pakistan weaker in long term although Pakistan currently hold a very much lethal forces and defense equipment other then nukes but we have to think for future as well and west is hardly supporting Pakistan in this regard now we have few options like china . and its obvious nukes are the last option because both countries are nuclear capable and any misuse of such technology from india or pakistan will cause sever demages and dont worry our nukes are only to make india and israel to stay in her limits we dont intend to use them

I just hope the majority of Pakistani ppl and the Pakistani establishment feels that way