India - 1.4 billion people

[Cobra Arbok]

So you were happy to lose 35% of indian territory despite being 7x larger than us and having abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege? Do you have the same area of india as before being conquered by the Mughals? Can I have evidence of Pakistan trying to conquer Kashmir and then being defeated by india?

we did not always have that priviledge. In fact, it wasnt ubtil the 70s that our millitary began to surpass yours. And for the last time, Pakistan was nevr our territoy. it was British territory ruled by the british. the british were already going to partition india. That was inevitable. However, Nehru and Patel did an excellent job of negotiating, and snatched several Muslim ruled and muslim majority areas that would have otherwise joined Pak. So we actually took more territory from you than vice versa

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

we did not always have that priviledge. In fact, it wasnt ubtil the 70s that our millitary began to surpass yours. And for the last time, Pakistan was nevr our territoy. it was British territory ruled by the british. the british were already going to partition india. That was inevitable. However, Nehru and Patel did an excellent job of negotiating, and snatched several Muslim ruled and muslim majority areas that would have otherwise joined Pak. So we actually took more territory from you than vice versa

So you admit the area that is now Pakistan was NEVER a part of a united india as per indian/hindu nationalist dogma?

 

[Cobra Arbok]

So you admit the area that is now Pakistan was NEVER a part of a united india as per indian/hindu nationalist dogma?

during the mauryan and gupta empire it was. but a lot has changed since then. Saying that india controlled KP because it was part of tje mauryan empire is as ridiculous as saying Bihar should have been under Pakistan because it was once ruled by aurangzeb. So if you use the Mauryan empire as a standard for united india, then yes, india has lost territory. However, that logic works both ways, and modern Pakistan is a lot smaler than Aurangzeb's empire.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

during the mauryan and gupta empire it was. but a lot has changed since then. Saying that india controlled KP because it was part of tje mauryan empire is as ridiculous as saying Bihar should have been under Pakistan because it was once ruled by aurangzeb. So if you use the Mauryan empire as a standard for united india, then yes, india has lost territory. However, that logic works both ways, and modern Pakistan is a lot smaler than Aurangzeb's empire.

STOP RIGHT THERE. You have admitted to something that nearly all indian nationalists especially those on PDF never admit to. That's more than enough.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

STOP RIGHT THERE. You have admitted to something that nearly all indian nationalists especially those on PDF never admit to. That's more than enough.

what exactly have i admitted? everything i said were facts. At one point in time pakistan was part of India, just like at one point in time bihar was part of the mughal empire. But borders and demographics change over time, so there is no use in talking about what happened 100s 1000s of years ago whe talking about partition. India may have existed for thousands of years, buy the REPUBLIC of india is about as old as pakistan. once you understand that simple fact, you will realize how wrong your arguements were.

 

[Jackdaws]

So you were happy to lose 35% of indian territory despite being 7x larger than us and having abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege? Do you have the same area of india as before being conquered by the Mughals? Can I have evidence of Pakistan trying to conquer Kashmir and then being defeated by india?





Can you please use a source that is not from Jeff Rense who claims that the British Royal family are reptillian aliens from outer space......

The article says nothing about Pakistan buying israeli weapons but that they were invoved in the 3rd party transfer of weapons to Pakistan.........can you use a credible source that is not from a dubious 2003 one.

https://web.archive.org/web/2003093...com.pk/default.asp?page=story_20-7-2003_pg1_4

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

https://web.archive.org/web/2003093...com.pk/default.asp?page=story_20-7-2003_pg1_4

Read it CAREFULLY.......the weapons were for the Afghan resistance/Mujahadeen......not for the Pakistan military.............

 

[Jackdaws]

Read it CAREFULLY.......the weapons were for the Afghan resistance/Mujahadeen......not for the Pakistan military.............

Read again. Sourced by Zia. Lol.

 

[waz]

Stop posting off-topic stuff please. I don't want to warn people again. Keep the history and who is stronger out of this thread.

In less then 4 years India will overtake China as the most populous country and cross the 1.4 billion mark. Will the shear numbers in Gangadesh pose a threat to Pakistan? Discuss.


Population forecastsThe world’s biggest country
Print edition | Asia
Aug 13th 2015

That India will overtake China as the world’s most populous country is not in question. But the date has just moved closer. The UN now reckons India will surpass China in 2022 rather than in 2028, as it thought two years ago. The new estimates put China’s fertility rate a bit lower, at 1.6 children per woman. India’s higher fertility rate (2.5 children per woman) and younger population mean it will swell faster, reaching 1.4 billion in 2022, when China’s population will peak. China’s working-age population is already shrinking as the country greys. India will eventually follow. By 2050 about 500m Chinese will be over 60, and 330m Indians.


https://www.economist.com/asia/2015/08/13/the-worlds-biggest-country

That is not good at all, India already has a fairly high population density, and this would further complicate any issues to do with climate change which all countries face e.g. falling water tables. I do think the population will even out though.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Stop posting off-topic stuff please. I don't want to warn people again. Keep the history and who is stronger out of this thread.



That is not good at all, India already has a fairly high population density, and this would further complicate any issues to do with climate change which all countries face e.g. falling water tables. I do think the population will even out though.

india's population is a problem and it is holding it back develipmentally. However, i think it is being blown out of proportion. In most states, India's population is decreasing. Eventually, India's popupulation will even out. Pakistan's population, however is increasing at much faster than replacement. Also keep in mind that as i said before, India has the climate and agricultural productivity to support a giant population. Pakistan does not have that capacity due to its drier climate. Still, pop growth is a problem for both of us, because it is typically a nrgative cycle. Poverty leads to uncontrolled pop growth, and uncontrolled pop growth leads to poverty. Using overpopulation as a di*k measuring contest does us no good.

 

[waz]

india's population is a problem and it is holding it back develipmentally. However, i think it is being blown out of proportion. In most states, India's population is decreasing. Eventually, India's popupulation will even out. Pakistan's population, however is increasing at much faster than replacement. Also keep in mind that as i said before, India has the climate and agricultural productivity to support a giant population. Pakistan does not have that capacity due to its drier climate. Still, pop growth is a problem for both of us, because it is typically a nrgative cycle. Poverty leads to uncontrolled pop growth, and uncontrolled pop growth leads to poverty. Using overpopulation as a di*k measuring contest does us no good.

India's population will even out, you're also right about Pakistan's increasing at a faster rate. What I doubt is India's ability to comfortably sustain such a huge population, as you talked about climate and productivity but there are now major issues with water tables particular the Ganges basin and now the monsoons have more water on rain days but not enough rain days. There's other issues as well but and this will end up a geography thread. What India does have is the ability to put forward solutions as it has a strong economy so time will tell.
The bottom line is both nations face similar problems.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

India's population will even out, you're also right about Pakistan's increasing at a faster rate. What I doubt is India's ability to comfortably sustain such a huge population, as you talked about climate and productivity but there are now major issues with water tables particular the Ganges basin and now the monsoons have more water on rain days but not enough rain days. There's other issues as well but and this will end up a geography thread. What India does have is the ability to put forward solutions as it has a strong economy so time will tell.
The bottom line is both nations face similar problems.

as usual you present reasonable and relevant points to the discussion. Yes it is doubtful whether india will be able to provide adequete services to te impoverished regions with ot of control growth. However, I think it is going in the right direction under Modi. Similarly, I think Ik has the right idea about solving the crises facing Pakistan. Whether he will be able to get past the corrupt Pakistani establishment is yet to be seen. After all, it took years for Modi's reforms to kick in. Still, I am optimistic about the future of both our countries.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Don't worry. They are more loyal to India than the people who moved to new country. Yet after 70 years we are united but you guys broke up.

Haha, we Muslims of South Asia broke up your dream of a Republic of India from Peshawar to Chittagong.

the republic of india has 5 times the population as pakistan. Not british india. There were no pakistanis before 1947, there were only indians. not modern indians, but british indians. and pop density does not change the fact we got most of the land jinnah wanted. The fact there are still over 200 million muslims in india proves that. And you tried to capture the independant state of kashmir in 47, but you failed. Instead we got the majority of it and there is NOTHING you can do to get it back, as the last 4 wars proved.



overall i think Bd got the worse deal. They lost large amounts of their territory to India, including their most impirtant city, kolkata. Not to mention many bengali speaking parts of Assam and tripura.

Wrong again. "Indian" term back then was used as a geographical term. Now "Indian" means a citizen of the Republic of India.

For the last time You didnt partition "India" the british did. And all provincea of pakistan were muslim majority. We still took most of the territory jinnah wanted which is why he described pakistan as "moth eaten." Although we got areas then ruled by muslims or majority muslims, you did not take any majority hindu or sikh areas.
As for the kashmir war, back then our millitary was disorganized and much smaller. remember nehru was a pacifist who hated war and thought india did not need an army. it is still impressive how we invaded the then independent state of kashmir and prevented you from taking significant parts of kashmir. To this day you have tried and failed to capture the territory we took from you but have failed miserably. To this day, there is NOTHING you can do to prevent your kashmiri brothers from getting killed by the Indian Army.
And it is a fact we are one of the most agriculturaly productive countries in the world. For example we are the largest producers of jute and bananas,and several other commodities. Like i said it is hard to post links on my phone so I will post them when I get home

Are you being silly now? Yes the British partitioned South Asia, but at the demands of the Muslim League.

If it wasn't for the Muslims League, South Asia would not have been partitioned.

So the Muslim League partitioned South Asia.

Get over it.

Yes we failed just like you failed to conquer all muslim majority parts of India so you were left with a moth-eaten Pakistan. modern day pakistan definitely looks a lot smaler than the mughals under aurangzeb(who was born in india btw). Have you ever considered we are not interested in taking your part of kashmir? we already have the most important parts. Instead, it was you guys who attacked us and failed miserably to capture the land we took from you.

And of course, you cant counter my facts so you bring up ky penis. You definitely sound like you are compensating for something. You literally bring up penises in EVERY discussion.

We got all muslim majority areas in South Asia which were West Pakistan and East Pakistan. We just didn't get Hyderabad State and Kashmir.

Kashmir should have gone to Pakistan because of the greater than 75% percent Muslim population in that princely state.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Haha, we Muslims of South Asia broke up your dream of a Republic of India from Peshawar to Chittagong.


Wrong again. "Indian" term back then was used as a geographical term. Now "Indian" means a citizen of the Republic of India.


Are you being silly now? Yes the British partitioned South Asia, but at the demands of the Muslim League.

If it wasn't for the Muslims League, South Asia would not have been partitioned.

So the Muslim League partitioned South Asia.

Get over it.

Thats exactly what i meant. there was no REPUBLIC of India. Only british india which the british partitioned into india, Pakistan, and a couple other countries. And it looks like we have already "gotten over it" whatever thats supposed to mean. Have you gotten over the fact that we still control the majority of kashmir and and other territories jinnah wanted? Because you are never going to gwt it back. That ship has sailed.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Thats exactly what i meant. there was no REPUBLIC of India. Only british india which the british partitioned into india, Pakistan, and a couple other countries. And it looks like we have already "gotten over it" whatever thats supposed to mean. Have you gotten over the fact that we still control the majority of kashmir and and other territories jinnah wanted? Because you are never going to gwt it back. That ship has sailed.

And you will never have an Akhand Bharat of a United South Asia from Peshawar to Chittagong under Hindu administration. lol.

That ship has sailed.

Face it, Hindus lost land during partition.

They will never get Pakistani or Bangladeshi land ever again.

India is the only homeland Hindus have other than Nepal.