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[Cobra Arbok]

Also jinnah did not want different muslim majority countries. He wanted all south asian muslims to live under one flag, which is why he even asked for a corridor of muslim majority diatricts in bihar and up connecting west and east pakistan. maybe you shattered the hindutwa dream of a united india, but we shattered your dream of a recreationbof the mughal empire leaving yu with what your founder called a "moth eaten Pakistan." And maybe kashmir should have been given to pak, but it was not and india controls the majority of it. But anyway, that is off topic

 

[MultaniGuy]

Also jinnah did not want different muslim majority countries. He wanted all south asian muslims to live under one flag, which is why he even asked for a corridor of muslim majority diatricts in bihar and up connecting west and east pakistan. maybe you shattered the hindutwa dream of a united india, but we shattered your dream of a recreationbof the mughal empire leaving yu with what your founder called a "moth eaten Pakistan." And maybe kashmir should have been given to pak, but it was not and india controls the majority of it. But anyway, that is off topic

The British never agreed to having the Northern part of the British Raj being part of Pakistan.

But the British originally intended the British Raj not to be divided.

lol, what's your point?

Your Republic of India is also moth eaten as well.

You lost West Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan, Pakthunkhwa Province, Part of Kashmir, and East Bengal.

You lost more than we did. lol.

Muslims were always a minority in South Asia. Hindus were always the majority. The Hindus lost land that were given to the Muslims.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

And you will never have an Akhand Bharat of a United South Asia from Peshawar to Chittagong under Hindu administration. lol.

That ship has sailed.

Face it, Hindus lost land during partition.

They will never get Pakistani or Bangladeshi land ever again.

India is the only homeland Hindus have other than Nepal.

Good. Well you will never recreate the Mughal Empire. That ship has sunk and is in the bottom of the Mariana Trench. I still fail to see how Hindus lost land. For the past 1000 years, the subcontinent has been unstable, with land being exchanged between different powers. In the end power was taken from both Hindus and Muslims by the British, although British rule benefited Hindus because they enforced the caste system and gave us Baniyas high positions in their beurocracy. I still fail to see how Hindus lost land when the only areas that became Pak were already Muslim majority, and India was able to keep many muslim-ruled and majority areas that were supposed to join Pakistan. And of course, there is Kashmir. So it does not look like Hindus lost any land since 1947

The British never agreed to having the Northern part of the British Raj being part of Pakistan.

But the British originally intended the British Raj not to be divided.

lol, what's your point?

Your Republic of India is also moth eaten as well.

You lost West Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan, Pakthunkhwa Province, Part of Kashmir, and East Bengal.

You lost more than we did. lol.

Muslims were always a minority in South Asia. Hindus were always the majority. The Hindus lost land that were given to the Muslims.

But we are still bigger in land than you. we have the majority of JaK, East Punjab(which includes Punjab, HP, and Haryana) most of Kutch(which was supposed to go to Sindh), West Bengal, Assam, Tripura, Hyderabad, Junagadh, And countless Districts that used to be Muslim majority in UP and Bihar that were supposed to be a bridge between East and West Pakistan. You should know that aside from the Mauryans and Guptas and for very briefly, the Marathas, KP and Balochistan were never ruled by an Empire from the modern day Republic of India. Do you dispute that? Wheras if you count the Mughals as Paksitani(which I don't) then everything from Punjab to Odisha was once part of Pakistan. Anyway, if you count the Mauryans as the ROI and Aurangzeb as Pakistan(even though he was born in modern ROI), it looks like those evil moths LOVE to eat the subcontinent.

The British never agreed to having the Northern part of the British Raj being part of Pakistan.

But the British originally intended the British Raj not to be divided.

lol, what's your point?

Your Republic of India is also moth eaten as well.

You lost West Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan, Pakthunkhwa Province, Part of Kashmir, and East Bengal.

You lost more than we did. lol.

Muslims were always a minority in South Asia. Hindus were always the majority. The Hindus lost land that were given to the Muslims.

They were a majority in certain parts. Can you imagine a Hindu administration governing KP? It would be as difficult as Aurangzeb trying to govern Tamil Nadu(Which he unsuccessfully attempted).

 

[MultaniGuy]

Good. Well you will never recreate the Mughal Empire. That ship has sunk and is in the bottom of the Mariana Trench. I still fail to see how Hindus lost land. For the past 1000 years, the subcontinent has been unstable, with land being exchanged between different powers. In the end power was taken from both Hindus and Muslims by the British, although British rule benefited Hindus because they enforced the caste system and gave us Baniyas high positions in their beurocracy. I still fail to see how Hindus lost land when the only areas that became Pak were already Muslim majority, and India was able to keep many muslim-ruled and majority areas that were supposed to join Pakistan. And of course, there is Kashmir. So it does not look like Hindus lost any land since 1947


But we are still bigger in land than you. we have the majority of JaK, East Punjab(which includes Punjab, HP, and Haryana) most of Kutch(which was supposed to go to Sindh), West Bengal, Assam, Tripura, Hyderabad, Junagadh, And countless Districts that used to be Muslim majority in UP and Bihar that were supposed to be a bridge between East and West Pakistan. You should know that aside from the Mauryans and Guptas and for very briefly, the Marathas, KP and Balochistan were never ruled by an Empire from the modern day Republic of India. Do you dispute that? Wheras if you count the Mughals as Paksitani(which I don't) then everything from Punjab to Odisha was once part of Pakistan. Anyway, if you count the Mauryans as the ROI and Aurangzeb as Pakistan(even though he was born in modern ROI), it looks like those evil moths LOVE to eat the subcontinent.


They were a majority in certain parts. Can you imagine a Hindu administration governing KP? It would be as difficult as Aurangzeb trying to govern Tamil Nadu(Which he unsuccessfully attempted).

Haha don't make me laugh.

Yes the Hindus lost land.

Had South Asia not been divided, Hindus would have made 66% of South Asia easily displacing those Muslim majority areas of West and East Pakistan.

Stop acting innocent and ignorant here. You know the facts very well.

What about East Bengal? What was the religion of those Bengalis before Islam? Was it Christianity? LOL.

They were ex-Hindus and ex-Buddhists. lol.

Stop playing dumb here.

Good. Well you will never recreate the Mughal Empire. That ship has sunk and is in the bottom of the Mariana Trench. I still fail to see how Hindus lost land. For the past 1000 years, the subcontinent has been unstable, with land being exchanged between different powers. In the end power was taken from both Hindus and Muslims by the British, although British rule benefited Hindus because they enforced the caste system and gave us Baniyas high positions in their beurocracy. I still fail to see how Hindus lost land when the only areas that became Pak were already Muslim majority, and India was able to keep many muslim-ruled and majority areas that were supposed to join Pakistan. And of course, there is Kashmir. So it does not look like Hindus lost any land since 1947


But we are still bigger in land than you. we have the majority of JaK, East Punjab(which includes Punjab, HP, and Haryana) most of Kutch(which was supposed to go to Sindh), West Bengal, Assam, Tripura, Hyderabad, Junagadh, And countless Districts that used to be Muslim majority in UP and Bihar that were supposed to be a bridge between East and West Pakistan. You should know that aside from the Mauryans and Guptas and for very briefly, the Marathas, KP and Balochistan were never ruled by an Empire from the modern day Republic of India. Do you dispute that? Wheras if you count the Mughals as Paksitani(which I don't) then everything from Punjab to Odisha was once part of Pakistan. Anyway, if you count the Mauryans as the ROI and Aurangzeb as Pakistan(even though he was born in modern ROI), it looks like those evil moths LOVE to eat the subcontinent.


They were a majority in certain parts. Can you imagine a Hindu administration governing KP? It would be as difficult as Aurangzeb trying to govern Tamil Nadu(Which he unsuccessfully attempted).

Whats your point?

There was a Hindu Maharajah ruling Muslim majority Kashmir, and a Muslim Nizam ruling over Hindu majority Hyderabad.

Your point falls flat on the ground.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Haha don't make me laugh.

Yes the Hindus lost land.

Had South Asia not been divided, Hindus would have made 66% of South Asia easily displacing those Muslim majority areas of West and East Pakistan.

Stop acting innocent and ignorant here. You know the facts very well.

What about East Bengal? What was the religion of those Bengalis before Islam? Was it Christianity? LOL.

They were ex-Hindus and ex-Buddhists. lol.

Stop playing dumb here.


Whats your point?

There was a Hindu Maharajah ruling Muslim majority Kashmir, and a Muslim Nizam ruling over Hindu majority Hyderabad.

Your point falls flat on the ground.

we are not talking about conversions we are talking about land. The fact is Hindus did not lose any land they had controlled prior to the British. As for Kashmir, it was an independent state on August 15 1947 NOT a part of the Republic of India. Yes KP and Balochistan were once ruled by the Mauryas, just like Tamil Nadu and Odisha were once ruled by the Mughals. I still do not see what land Hindus lost on August 15 47 that they had controlled on August 14th. Were there a bunch of Hindu Maharajas in Pakistan who were kicked out and dethroned? There were several Muslim Maharajas in India who had that happen to them. Looks like the Muslims were the ones who lost power in 47. And no, I am not acting innocent. I know atrocities happened on both sides.

 

[MultaniGuy]

we are not talking about conversions we are talking about land. The fact is Hindus did not lose any land they had controlled prior to the British. As for Kashmir, it was an independent state on August 15 1947 NOT a part of the Republic of India. Yes KP and Balochistan were once ruled by the Mauryas, just like Tamil Nadu and Odisha were once ruled by the Mughals. I still do not see what land Hindus lost on August 15 47 that they had controlled on August 14th. Were there a bunch of Hindu Maharajas in Pakistan who were kicked out and dethroned? There were several Muslim Maharajas in India who had that happen to them. Looks like the Muslims were the ones who lost power in 47. And no, I am not acting innocent. I know atrocities happened on both sides.

East Punjab, Uttar Pradesh, and Bihar which would have formed the connection between West Pakistan and East Pakistan may have had Muslim majority districts, but as a whole province were Hindu majority.

Nice try though.

we are not talking about conversions we are talking about land. The fact is Hindus did not lose any land they had controlled prior to the British. As for Kashmir, it was an independent state on August 15 1947 NOT a part of the Republic of India. Yes KP and Balochistan were once ruled by the Mauryas, just like Tamil Nadu and Odisha were once ruled by the Mughals. I still do not see what land Hindus lost on August 15 47 that they had controlled on August 14th. Were there a bunch of Hindu Maharajas in Pakistan who were kicked out and dethroned? There were several Muslim Maharajas in India who had that happen to them. Looks like the Muslims were the ones who lost power in 47. And no, I am not acting innocent. I know atrocities happened on both sides.

Stop playing games with me.

British originally intended the British Raj NOT TO BE DIVIDED.

The Muslim League demanded division of the land.

Hindus lost West Pakistan and East Pakistan.

Many Hindus left West and East Pakistan because they were the minority there.

Grow up, you are looking really silly now!

It was the Hindus who wanted unity of the land.

Why do you think Godse killed Gandhi for giving too many concessions to the Muslims.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

East Punjab, Uttar Pradesh, and Bihar which would have formed the connection between West Pakistan and East Pakistan may have had Muslim majority districts, but as a whole province were Hindu majority.

Nice try though.


Stop playing games with me.

British originally intended the British Raj NOT TO BE DIVIDED.

The Muslim League demanded division of the land.

Hindus lost West Pakistan and East Pakistan.

Many Hindus left West and East Pakistan because they were the minority there.

Grow up, you are looking really silly now!

I am simply going by what Jinnah wanted. He wanted ALL south Asian Muslims to live under one flag, which is why he wanted many parts of India that were then Muslim majority. The reason they are not Muslim Majority anymore is because all the Muslims left for Pakistan. And who cares what the Britsh Raj wanted? In 1900, they did not want to give independence to India at all. And if you think Hindus lost West and East Pak, well than you can say Aurangzeb's Empire for a short time contained most of modern day India, so following that same logic, Pakistan lost territory. Whatever you say, you cannot deny the fact that Jinnah called what is now Paksitan "Moth Eaten"
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/the-road-to-partition/jinnah-partition/

BTW what is wrong with games? Playing games is fun. Do you not want to play with me?

 

[MultaniGuy]

I am simply going by what Jinnah wanted. He wanted ALL south Asian Muslims to live under one flag, which is why he wanted many parts of India that were then Muslim majority. The reason they are not Muslim Majority anymore is because all the Muslims left for Pakistan. And who cares what the Britsh Raj wanted? In 1900, they did not want to give independence to India at all. And if you think Hindus lost West and East Pak, well than you can say Aurangzeb's Empire for a short time contained most of modern day India, so following that same logic, Pakistan lost territory. Whatever you say, you cannot deny the fact that Jinnah called what is now Paksitan "Moth Eaten"
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/the-road-to-partition/jinnah-partition/

BTW what is wrong with games? Playing games is fun. Do you not want to play with me?

Mughal empire was not Pakistan, you idiot.

Can't go by the same logic.

Yes the Muslims lost land, if the Mughals are to be considered a Muslim Empire.

But Hindus make the majority in South Asia, could have easily displaced those Muslims easily in the Muslim majority regions.

Even in western universities, it is taught, that the Hindus would have dominated a united South Asia, and Muslims in the majority regions wanted division of the land.

Stop beating around the bush.

We can agree to disagree if that is what you want.

But the point is, Hindus lost land they will never get back.

lol.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Here is another good site
https://sites.google.com/site/cabin...en-and-jinnah-negotiations-on-pakistan-april-
"Oh, you don't understand. If you do that..." and so we'd start all over again.
"Look, Mr.Jinnah, it is a fact you want partition?"
"Yes, of course."
"Well, if you want partition then you must have partition of Punjab and Bengal."

You know, not only did this go on for hours, it went over several discussions. He simply was caught in his own trap. He finally gave up and said, "So you insist on giving me a moth-eaten Pakistan."

Maybe Mountbatten did not want to partition India, but he definitely did not give Jinnah everything he wanted. Also, Paksitan was modeled on the Lahore Resolution, and under the Lahore Resolution, the entirety of Punjab, the Entirety of Bengal, the Entirety of Assam(which included Northeast India at the time) not to mention Hyderabad, Junagadh, and all the Muslim majority districts in North India would have gone to Pakistan. Here is a map of British India.

Now do you see why Jinnah called modern day Paksitan moth eaten?

 

[MultaniGuy]

Here is another good site
https://sites.google.com/site/cabin...en-and-jinnah-negotiations-on-pakistan-april-
"Oh, you don't understand. If you do that..." and so we'd start all over again.
"Look, Mr.Jinnah, it is a fact you want partition?"
"Yes, of course."
"Well, if you want partition then you must have partition of Punjab and Bengal."

You know, not only did this go on for hours, it went over several discussions. He simply was caught in his own trap. He finally gave up and said, "So you insist on giving me a moth-eaten Pakistan."

Maybe Mountbatten did not want to partition India, but he definitely did not give Jinnah everything he wanted. Also, Paksitan was modeled on the Lahore Resolution, and under the Lahore Resolution, the entirety of Punjab, the Entirety of Bengal, the Entirety of Assam(which included Northeast India at the time) not to mention Hyderabad, Junagadh, and all the Muslim majority districts in North India would have gone to Pakistan. Here is a map of British India.

Now do you see why Jinnah called modern day Paksitan moth eaten?

No, wrong again. Those many Muslim majority districts in the United Provinces would not have to Pakistan because they were not contagious with either West or East Pakistan.

In the end, it was either something or nothing for the Muslim league and Jinnah.

Muslim League took something and that became Pakistan.

In the end, Hindus lost West and East Pakistan, since Hindus made the majority in South Asia.

Now get over it.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Mughal empire was not Pakistan, you idiot.

Can't go by the same logic.

Yes the Muslims lost land, if the Mughals are to be considered a Muslim Empire.

But Hindus make the majority in South Asia, could have easily displaced those Muslims easily in the Muslim majority regions.

Even in western universities, it is taught, that the Hindus would have dominated a united South Asia, and Muslims in the majority regions wanted division in the land.

Stop beating around the bush.

We can agree to disagree if that is what you want.

But the point is, Hindus lost land they will never get back.

lol.

I agree that Pakistan is not the Mughal Empire. But then again, ROI is not the Mauryan Empire, and only the Mauryans and Guptas ruled modern day Pakistan, just like Aurangzeb temporarily ruled most of India. But those empires were long gone by the time the Britsh arrived, so using those as basis of partition does not make sense. The point is, if you look at the original plan Jinnah wanted in the Lahore Resolution, Pakistan lost territory, not India. And why are calling me an idiot? That is not very nice.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Here is another good site
https://sites.google.com/site/cabin...en-and-jinnah-negotiations-on-pakistan-april-
"Oh, you don't understand. If you do that..." and so we'd start all over again.
"Look, Mr.Jinnah, it is a fact you want partition?"
"Yes, of course."
"Well, if you want partition then you must have partition of Punjab and Bengal."

You know, not only did this go on for hours, it went over several discussions. He simply was caught in his own trap. He finally gave up and said, "So you insist on giving me a moth-eaten Pakistan."

Maybe Mountbatten did not want to partition India, but he definitely did not give Jinnah everything he wanted. Also, Paksitan was modeled on the Lahore Resolution, and under the Lahore Resolution, the entirety of Punjab, the Entirety of Bengal, the Entirety of Assam(which included Northeast India at the time) not to mention Hyderabad, Junagadh, and all the Muslim majority districts in North India would have gone to Pakistan. Here is a map of British India.

Now do you see why Jinnah called modern day Paksitan moth eaten?

Indeed, for a full partition Pakistan should have gotten the United Provinces, Bihar, and East Punjab, and Assam As well, with the complete transfer of Muslim and Hindu populations.

Partition was only partially done as many Muslims stayed in the Republic of India.

By the way Pakistan and Bangladesh could not host those other Muslims anyways.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

No, wrong again. Those many Muslim majority districts in the United Provinces would not have to Pakistan because they were not contagious with either West or East Pakistan.

In the end, it was either something or nothing for the Muslim league and Jinnah.

Muslim League took something and that became Pakistan.

In the end, Hindus lost West and East Pakistan, since Hindus made the majority in South Asia.

Now get over it.

Once again you fail to understand that South Asia is not a homogenous nation. It is a diverse and varied subcontinent. In fact it is comparable to Europe. And Jinnah did not care about connectivity. Plenty of countries have enclaves not connected to the mainland, like Russia's Kalingrad.

 

[MultaniGuy]

I agree that Pakistan is not the Mughal Empire. But then again, ROI is not the Mauryan Empire, and only the Mauryans and Guptas ruled modern day Pakistan, just like Aurangzeb temporarily ruled most of India. But those empires were long gone by the time the Britsh arrived, so using those as basis of partition does not make sense. The point is, if you look at the original plan Jinnah wanted in the Lahore Resolution, Pakistan lost territory, not India. And why are calling me an idiot? That is not very nice.

because you are cherry picking my ideas from my posts.
You conveniently forget to realize that Hindus make the majority in South Asia.

Had partition not happened, Hindus still would have been the majority in South Asia. The Hindus would have dominated South Asia.

Once again you fail to understand that South Asia is not a homogenous nation. It is a diverse and varied subcontinent. In fact it is comparable to Europe. And Jinnah did not care about connectivity. Plenty of countries have enclaves not connected to the mainland, like Russia's Kalingrad.

No connectivity is important.

You cannot have enclaves surrounded completely by another country. LOL.

because you are cherry picking my ideas from posts.
You conveniently forget to realize that Hindus make the majority in South Asia.

Had partition not happened, Hindus still would have been the majority in South Asia. The Hindus would have dominated South Asia.


No connectivity is important.

You cannot have enclaves surrounded completely by another country. LOL.

Yes but Kaliningrad can be compared to East Pakistan.

Nice try though.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

because you are cherry picking my ideas from posts.
You conveniently forget to realize that Hindus make the majority in South Asia.

Had partition not happened, Hindus still would have been the majority in South Asia. The Hindus would have dominated South Asia.

If those muslims were spread out evenly throughout South Asia, that would be true. But they are geographically isolated from ROI, and make up overwhelming majorities in close concentrations. That would have been a nightmare to administer. Lets flip it around and say UP, BIhar MP, etc were Muslim majority and part of Pakistan. That would make Pakistan the majority of South ASia. Do you think they would be able to successfully rule South India and East India which are overwhelmingly Hindu majority and did not want to join the larger nation of Pakistan?

The point is, according to the 2NT, Hindus did not lose any land that should have gone to India. But Muslims lost land that should have gone to Paksitan. Forget Hyderabad, Junagadh, etc. JInnah wanted the entirety of Punjab, Bengal, and Assam, including regions that were majority Hindu and Sikh. If that happened, I would have agreed with you that Hindus lost land. But that is not what happened is it?