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Imran Khan: US responsible for terrorism in Pakistan

Imran khan has double standard. On one side he said that all parliament should be educated and at least graduate in order to pass laws and constitution in parliaments.On the other side he favor taliban style govt which explode all schools,barber shops,video shops,shrines, and markets.

Mr. Khan like people are another headache for Nation and Govt,and P.A.

excuse me! i dont think Imran khan ever said what you have just accused him of above. All Imran Khan says is Pak can not keep on killing her own citizens and expect not to be bombed by whoever. Imran khan is much more sincere and true to Pak than almost all of our politicians. Rather than blasting Imran every time he opposes military actions, we can dig deep in what he actually means. Off course, not gona agree with whatever he says but what he says makes sense, the bloody 11 yr old or so WOT has done nothing but an irreparable loss to lives and economy of our nation.
 
Rather than attack individuals, personalities, pick sides or play politics etc...as many are doing here instead of talking about the issue at hand.

Focus on the context of whats being said.

The reality and factual point of this statement, wether its being said by Imran Khan, any other politician or your favourite actor or by Madonna for that matter lol etc.. Is that this sentiment is not a randomn one but is a reflection of what the vast majority of Pakistani's believe and feel.

I give him credit for having the guts to speak up and say that.

As for why the people think that, I wouldnt blame them either with all that they've seen in the past few years....

Intelligence on the activities, resources and sponsors of these terrorists are being collected daily and the network being exposed and dismantled. The Pakistani people are resilient and refuse to bow down to them, and never will. Our commitment only grows stronger.

Peace and Prosperity to Pakistani people, all these terrorists will all be kicked back to where they belong soon!
 
Imran always says there was no terrorism before 2005
he doesnt consider killing of Shias and Ahmedis at the hands of Wahabi terrorist organisations as terrorism

he doesnt consider bombing of Beralwi Shrines & Desecrating bodies of sufi saints as terrorism

I really wonder how far Irman is willing to go to appease his Taliban supporters
 
Imran always says there was no terrorism before 2005
he doesnt consider killing of Shias and Ahmedis at the hands of Wahabi terrorist organisations as terrorism

he doesnt consider bombing of Beralwi Shrines & Desecrating bodies of sufi saints as terrorism

I really wonder how far Irman is willing to go to appease his Taliban supporters


firstly not everyone who disagrees with you is a taliban supporter, stop the moronic smearing.


secondly imran is right, up to a few years ago there was no sustained terrorism within pakistan, FACT,

there were isolated incidents which ofcourse were unfortunate, but never this, distinction is obvious and clear - this is more or less a war zone, a major attack is always a few weeks away

as i have mentioned earlier draw a line charting US interest/influence in pakistan and then a line of destructive activities in pakistan and they will more or less have the same trend.

you will see the same in iraq/afghanistan, dont shoot the messenger
 
firstly not everyone who disagrees with you is a taliban supporter, stop the moronic smearing.


secondly imran is right, up to a few years ago there was no sustained terrorism within pakistan, FACT,

there were isolated incidents which ofcourse were unfortunate, but never this, distinction is obvious and clear - this is more or less a war zone, a major attack is always a few weeks away

as i have mentioned earlier draw a line charting US interest/influence in pakistan and then a line of destructive activities in pakistan and they will more or less have the same trend.

you will see the same in iraq/afghanistan, dont shoot the messenger

I totally agree with you, that is what will happen to Pakistan unfortunately if we continue to ignore the situation.

and after America has dealt with Pakistan the way it has dealt with Iraq and Afghanistan then all the western influenced/liberal Pakistani's on this forum will be like the Nouri al-Maliki of Iraq and Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan. Puppets

Remember with Afghanistan it was Al-Qaeda (OBL)
with Iraq it was so called WMD's
with Pakistan its extremism/terrorism
i am seeing a trend.
 
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I totally agree with you, that is what will happen to Pakistan unfortunately if we continue to ignore the situation.

and after America has dealt with Pakistan the way it has dealt with Iraq and Afghanistan then all the western influenced/liberal Pakistani's on this forum will be like the Nouri al-Maliki of Iraq and Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan. Puppets

Remember with Afghanistan it was Al-Qaeda (OBL)
with Iraq it was so called WMD's
with Pakistan its extremism/terrorism
i am seeing a trend.

I prefer not to go down the route of name calling but all I have to say to these apologist comments is that it is a high time that we wake up from this self denial

blaming everything on external Zionist forces & America has brought this day.

we have had this religious and sectarian hatred for decades
just because the victims were minorities doesnt mean it was all hanky dory

what I am criticizing Imran is his selective criticism
he blames the terror waves with the opening sentences of "own people"
"our Fouj is fighting Apnay Log"

does he have the guts to ask him "own people" to stop punishing the civilians?

no he wont

till today he has never ever condemned the TTP and more outrageous is the fact when he misuses the pashton custom of Pakhton-wali comparing it to revenge for the army operation

but what we see now is not Pashton revenge it is far more sinister and evil than that

what tribal custom advocates killing and butchering unarmed & innocent people?

yes there are external forces involved why wont they? they are our enemies why should we complain?
we need to weed out our own rotten crop first before we put the blame on the West

by the way r3last... keep the discussion civil. I am not in this forum for a p1ss contest. but believe me I have ample vocabulary of all the nice words I rather not use so lets leave it here ok? you might me emotional about your Imran. for me My country is more important

thanks
 
Джина був євнухо;981577 said:
what's new in that..all we know that who made taliban to counter russia...
Yes but why did you take their hand?:azn:
 
Yes but why did you take their hand?:azn:

A little history lesson will help. Arab imperialists never hesitated to forge alliances with the so called 'infidels' throughout history. They also never hesitated to break the alliance in second after the objective had been achieved. Byzantium, Frankish in the Levant , British even Russian are witness not to mention United States and Israel which provided critical intel to the Mujahedins against the Soviets. In conclusion , these religious imperialists are mindless and treacherous creatures who can not be trusted under any circumstance.
 
yes there are external forces involved why wont they? they are our enemies why should we complain?
we need to weed out our own rotten crop first before we put the blame on the West
Both the internal and external problems are related. If even all we do is stop the drone attacks, that would make tackling the internal problems easier. Both need to be addressed and should be addressed at the same time.

You know, I always wondered why not shoot down the Reaper drones in a act of self defense?
 
If even all we do is stop the drone attacks, that would make tackling the internal problems easier.

No. The drone attacks lead to suicide bombings argument has no grounds.

You know, I always wondered why not shoot down the Reaper drones in a act of self defense?
What self defence? Self defence as in targeting planes that fly with your permission, based on intelligence often provided by you and many times targeting on your own request?
 
what I am criticising Imran is his selective criticism
he blames the terror waves with the opening sentences of "own people"
"our Fouj is fighting Apnay Log"

does he have the guts to ask him "own people" to stop punishing the civilians?

no he wont

till today he has never ever condemned the TTP and more outragious is the fact when he misuses the pashton custom of Pakhton-wali comparing it to revenge for the army operation

Keep your hate aside, and then look around you. A little reading would certainly help:

Workers of PTI Okara did a rally against bomb blasts in data darbar > Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf > Insaf News

PTI UK condemns blasts in Lahore > Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf > Insaf News

Imran Khan strongly condemns blasts at Data Darbar Lahore > Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf > Insaf News

PTI asks for help to blast victims > Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf > Insaf News
 
But it increases their hate against Pakistani armed forces and government, right?

Hate is a subjective word. In the generalized sense of the word, yes but that "hate" does not lead to suicide bombings. General lack of dismay over an issue will not lead to increased militancy.

I guess I'll have to post my old rant.

Success rate cited by right wing media has been challenged internationally. The statistics being reported by our media depend on a certain website called Pakistan Body Count. Hence militant is only Al Qaeda by their standards as the website only counts Al-Qaeda and civlians in separate categories. Heck even Baitullah Mehsud isn't counted as a militant. WTF man? Killing Baitullah not being counted as a success should be the biggest joke. No LI, TTP or Taliban are counted as militants and that's a big joke. The News used a website maintained by a single guy as their source instead of doing something on their own and labeled it "by Pakistani authorities". Had their been an official document, they would have named it and they just relied on the figures collected by one man through news reports that counts only Al-Qaeda as successful kill. The website didn't include TTP, LI and Taliban in it's count. What a rubbish way of calculating effectiveness.

Independent groups have calculated ratio of miliant to civilian/unknown death rate at 3.4 and militant casualty rate at 77.2% unlike the 1 or 2% cited by our right wing fundos. Even this is high collateral damage but way different than what our crackpots tell the people.

Read the following two papers

New Light on the Accuracy of the CIA’s Predator Drone Campaign in Pakistan

Sudden Justice? Evaluating the U.S. Predator Campaign in Pakistan

This does not mean that I inherently agree with their findings, methods or views. I wanted to present to you a scientific study rather than urban jargon.

The need to analyze the effectiveness of a remote targeting technology demands considering its strategic objectives mostly but it has to consider the political, social and economic factors as well. For the US, the necessity to avoid the loss of life on their own side is very important as well. But it would be difficult to establish whether Pentagon would discontinue its policy of drone strikes if it is established that it has caused more collateral damage than it has possibly killed militants. Nevertheless, our public opposition to this policy does not hold much weight in their opinion for our state has allowed and supported it for so long that a demand for canceling it entirely won't matter to them. Our military supplies intelligence for these strikes and it is not unimaginable that we have used them to target known militants not reachable by foot soldiers easily (meaning that we knew the presence of a militant or training school, supplied intelligence and asked for its destruction). Our military is hand-in-hand with these policies.

Ghairat brigade chest thumping irks me.
 
Hate is a subjective word. In the generalized sense of the word, yes but that "hate" does not lead to suicide bombings. General lack of dismay over an issue will not lead to increased militancy.

Agreed, this hate alone will not lead to suicide bombings but then add a mix of poverty, a little extremism and a smart manipulator and there you have someone who will be ready to do anything for you.
 

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