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Imran Khan: US responsible for terrorism in Pakistan

Yes, they can be used as a motivating factor

they may or may not be directly leading to anything, i admit i do not know.

but i do know our actions are leading to feelings of strong animosity amongst our own, thats enough cause for concern for me.

i prefer investing in the region to win their trust and support

i also feel stronger intelligence is the way forward, we are not far away from open revolt in the tribal regions, we could soon end up occupying are own people

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unbelievable.
 
If this is true then not even God can help Pakistan. No people so blind to reality can ever heal themselves of their mental sickness. I pity Pakistan if what you say here is true. Pakistan will NEVER get well by blaming the USA for its cultural dysfunctions.

i pity you and your country for voting a lunatic into office twice, you got your legs stuck in two holes and can't move anymore, now your sinking slowly!

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Blaming America or anyone else won't solve our problems, America isn't responsible for the corruption and lack of justice in Pakistan, due to this people look for justice in terror!
 
If a drone missile kills all your family(GOD ALMIGHTY forbid ...) then u can be easily misused . For GOD sake killing someone with a drone missile makes complete mockery of human values and rights , what other country can alow their use on their soil because there have been known cases of kids blown to pieces . Drones should only be used for surveillance . Also there is an economic factor because in some cases suicide bomber's family has been paid money by the masterminds as reported in the media.
 
Drone strikes have a very high strike rate. Our right wing media distorts the evidence all the time. Detailed analysis by independents have revealed that the data maintained by The News described militants only as Al Qaeda. They did not include TTP, Taliban and LI as "militants". In their data, even Baitullah Mehsud didn't qualify in the "militant" category. Their reply can be that he died from wounds suffered in the drone strike, but any sane person would qualify that as a successful strike. They haven't included any TTP members as "militants" either. Al Qaeda has minimal presence in the region compared to others and The News and whole right wing fundos have said that their data is based on the fact that US says that drone attacks target Al Qaeda hence we only count killing Al Qaeda as success.

Here's the website they based their data on:- Pakistan Body Count ::: www.pakistanbodycount.org

I guess you can read that they only count Al Qaeda and later our media refers to the count of Al Qaeda killed as militants killed which is entirely wrong.

Indpendent groups have calculated ratio of miliant to civilian/unknown death rate at 3.4 and militant casualty rate at 77.2% unlike the 1 or 2% cited by our right wing fundos. Even this is high collateral damage but way different than what our crackpots tell the people.

Read the following two papers

New Light on the Accuracy of the CIA’s Predator Drone Campaign in Pakistan

Sudden Justice? Evaluating the U.S. Predator Campaign in Pakistan

This does not mean that I inherently agree with their findings, methods or views. I wanted to present to you a scientific study rather than urban jargon.

The need to analyze the effectiveness of a remote targeting technology demands considering its strategic objectives mostly but it has to consider the political, social and economic factors as well. For the US, the necessity to avoid the loss of life on their own side is very important as well. But it would be difficult to establish whether Pentagon would discontinue its policy of drone strikes if it is established that it has caused more collateral damage than it has possibly killed militants. Nevertheless, our public opposition to this policy does not hold much weight in their opinion for our state has allowed and supported it for so long that a demand for canceling it entirely won't matter to them. Our military supplies intelligence for these strikes and it is not unimaginable that we have used them to target known militants not reachable by foot soldiers easily (meaning that we knew the presence of a militant or training school, supplied intelligence and asked for its destruction). Our military is hand-in-hand with these policies.

wow, a detailed response.

i am not sure what point to address if any, how do we reverse the animosity and hatred we have created? - thats what i am interested in.

we seen countless times that a military solution completely is hardly a success, when has it been?

difference being that the US will leave one day (hopefully) and dont have to worry, so who will deal with the fall out?
 
i am not sure what point to address if any, how do we reverse the animosity and hatred we have created? - thats what i am interested in.

There are more than one things to address. Bringing FATA into mainstream Pakistan, both legally and practically. Construction and support of ROZs as promised by US. No more "ilaqa ghair" BS and that involves quashing FCR and extending PPC to FATA.

we seen countless times that a military solution completely is hardly a success, when has it been?

Nobody's claiming that it's the only necessary action. As I stated construction of ROZs is important and extending educational and health facilities is important. Constructing an enhanced transportation network is necessary both for trade and regional prosperity. Providing government jobs to the youth there and asking/giving incentive to private sector to employ people from FATA so as to provide them employment outside just farming poppy. Employment in areas outside FATA will bring them to the major areas and enhance chances of increased interaction with people outside their bradiris and eliminate differences.

difference being that the US will leave one day (hopefully) and dont have to worry, so who will deal with the fall out?

By not supporting the Taliban like we did earlier and by continuing our war against militants. You don't stop a war because of its fallout.
 
By not supporting the Taliban like we did earlier and by continuing our war against militants. You don't stop a war because of its fallout.

i am not sure if i can reasonably debate with someone who is insistent on propagating an obviously failing strategy - attacks have gotten worse (in direct proportion to our co-operation with the US), this is not a sign of weakness, its a sign of unprecedented boldness and ability to harm.

just think of whats happened and it almost brings me to tears

-attacks on markets
-attacks in mosques
-attacks in hospitals
-attacks on a cricket team
-attacks on holy places

yet you are so cocksure you are right, i find it incredible.

and when you say we are at war with our own and you do not care about the fall out is frankly a frightening statement.
 
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what makes you think that all attacks will be over if we gave up WoT & acted as if nothings wrong?

we are now beyond that point where there was a question of 'who's war it is', isn't that obvious?
 
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what makes you think that all attacks will be over if we gave up WoT & acted as if nothings wrong?

we are now beyond that point where there was a question of 'who's war it is', isn't that obvious?

how can we ever be possibly involved in such an abstract concept as a war on a noun?

there are big problems, nothing makes me think there is an easy solution

my issue is finding the appropriate solution which best meets our national interest, which clearly is not always the same as your imperial overlords - and when they suggest something that is clearly causing more damage then good i start to question

this may involve, heaven forbid, showing some spine and guts.
 
I think Imran Khan should talk only about cricket and nothing else.

The more he speaks about other topics more he spews crap.
 
in theory its completely possible, you kill (innocent) people and they seek revenge, hardly rocket science.

Seek revenge? with your own countrymen ? bombing shrines of sufis who spread the mesage of Islam in southasia ? and you think thats justified .. ?
 
Seek revenge? with your own countrymen ? bombing shrines of sufis who spread the mesage of Islam in southasia ? and you think thats justified .. ?

dont talk nonsense, i have already addressed the point, i was saying pakistan should not be the reason to be causing any resentment

you should be ashamed of yourself, i would respect your so called wisdom if it earned results, you propagate a failing strategy you have the fallout on your conscience.

the entire perception of that region is that a corrupt punjabi oligarchy are destroying the other ethnicities at the expense of $$$$ - their concerns are valid.
 
Imran khan has double standard. On one side he said that all parliament should be educated and at least graduate in order to pass laws and constitution in parliaments.On the other side he favor taliban style govt which explode all schools,barber shops,video shops,shrines, and markets.

Mr. Khan like people are another headache for Nation and Govt,and P.A.
 
Pakistan Tehrik-i-Insaf (PTI) Chief Imran Khan declared the government of Pakistan a slave of the US


Thats fresh, coming from a politcal lota... Perhaps he forgets he is also a slave to his wahabbi, JI supporters.
 
in theory its completely possible, you kill (innocent) people and they seek revenge, hardly rocket science.

this is not science but symptoms of MAD DOG who bite everyone,and only treatment is bullet in head of MAD DOGS(taliban)
 

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