Imran Khan: US responsible for terrorism in Pakistan

[r3alist]

Afghanistan never had mass killings before the US invasion? What the hell are you on?

err i think its obvious i meant the daily bombings

All of this has existed in our very midst before the Americans got here.

no, obsfucation once again.

yes the extremists existed to some extent, but thats mostly it, your logical lie has gaps in it.

they did not have the ability to carry out sophisticated sustained attacks on pakistan with IED's, bombs, grenades, rocket launchers and what not, how? where? who? - if its always existed why only now? who not in the year 2000? your explaination has gaping holes in it, its a weak narrative

even amongst these extremists there was no major will to kill, murder and destroy pakistan itself.

this has come in the last few years, some devilish group of people who will attacks mosques and go into hospitals to kill people, this is not stemming from imran khan my friend, this is stemming from some extremely organised and determined people to attack pakistan.

- look through recent history and find a comparable phenomena where a group of people do such atrocities on a regular basis, you will not be able to find it, it is unprecedented and has grown in the space of a few years - again, how?


in short the major event between your idea of the root problem always being there and the events we see daily is what - its american presence.

furthermore open your eyes up a bit more, there is an uncanny pattern between american interest in pakistan (i would say ever since ******) and the level of destruction in pakistan, draw a graph and the two lines will match.

Iraq was a mismanaged war, yes, but the people doing the "mass daily killings" are the wahhabi/salafi types who came to Iraq with the intention of fighting the americans.

iraq never had suicide bombings before invasion, the concept of giving up your life for some political cause ala the palestinians was alien to the rest of the world, only the tamils and palestinians did that, who turned the switch on?

and just stop our campaigns against the terrorists.

you dont know that the people who are dying are terrorists any more than the americans do, what imran is saying is obvious, dont take the sword to your own people - they will end up hating you.

the pashtuns and baloch in the tribal regions have been killed and maimed by the very people who are meant to be protecting them, this is causing mayhem and ethnic tensions, a recipe for disaster, do you really want to be a supporter of a yugoslaiva like fate for pakistan? this is where we are heading

even the indians would not consider military action against the naxals - killing your own is an enormous decision.

 

[sparklingway]

This is called being idiotic:-

Imran Khan claims to curb terrorism within 90 days​

July 04, 2010

Tehreek-i-Insaf Chairman Imran Khan has claimed that if he was the prime minister of Pakistan, the issue of terrorism would have been resolved within 90 days.

Talking to media during his visit to Data Darbar Lahore, Imran khan said Pakistan is paying the price for the American war. He said the real terrorists should be eliminated but if we treat the enemies of America as our enemies the war will continue.

Khan noted that the war on terror has taken a heavy toll on Pakistan’s economy and only a small group of ruling elite are profiting from the aid and loans.

He claimed that if he was the prime minister of Pakistan, the problems of terrorism could have been resolved within 90 days. He said that the security should be provided to Pakistani people and not the political families

 

[r3alist]

This is called being idiotic:-

Imran Khan claims to curb terrorism within 90 days​

July 04, 2010

Tehreek-i-Insaf Chairman Imran Khan has claimed that if he was the prime minister of Pakistan, the issue of terrorism would have been resolved within 90 days.

Talking to media during his visit to Data Darbar Lahore, Imran khan said Pakistan is paying the price for the American war. He said the real terrorists should be eliminated but if we treat the enemies of America as our enemies the war will continue.

Khan noted that the war on terror has taken a heavy toll on Pakistan’s economy and only a small group of ruling elite are profiting from the aid and loans.

He claimed that if he was the prime minister of Pakistan, the problems of terrorism could have been resolved within 90 days. He said that the security should be provided to Pakistani people and not the political families

ignoring the whole side story of this being imran khan his advice is sensible and correct, tell me whats controversial?

 

[pak-marine]

This is called being idiotic:-

Imran Khan claims to curb terrorism within 90 days​

Talking to media during his visit to Data Darbar Lahore, Imran khan said Pakistan is paying the price for the American war. He said the real terrorists should be eliminated but if we treat the enemies of America as our enemies the war will continue.

looking at his statement Imran is holding US responsible for sucide attack on Data Darbar , he is trying to connect drone strikes in FATA and sucide attack on shrine... WTH .... This guy needs some serious help

 

[r3alist]

looking at his statement Imran is holding US responsible for sucide attack on Data Darbar , he is trying to connect drone strikes in FATA and sucide attack on shrine... WTH .... This guy needs some serious help

in theory its completely possible, you kill (innocent) people and they seek revenge, hardly rocket science.

 

[Aeon]

...yugoslaiva like fate for pakistan? this is where we are heading

Don't think it would be too good for China if that were to happen, and perhaps the corrupt Pakistani feudal elite as well. Along with being labeled as the "most dangerous country", I reckon we also seem to repeatedly defy odds against dire predictions and hence wouldn't be wrong in saying we should be labeled as one of the "most resilient" countries in addition. Still, can't afford to be complacent in the least. The following vid is a bit old, but may still be somewhat relevant - would you agree with some of what this guy has to say?

If you don't mind, you can vote for it in the following thread.

US vs China - A Proxy War in Pakistan?

 

[DaRk WaVe]

in theory its completely possible, you kill (innocent) people and they seek revenge, hardly rocket science.

Infidels kill using drones & as a revenge they kill people in Mosques & Shrines, my goodness, Rocket Science huh!!

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Imran is playing local politics

Its about time he learned how to get votes in Pakistan

Per , its a matter to debate

"A FUNDAMENTALIST ATTACKING A MOSQUE ..... YEP .. that makes complete sense"

It makes complete sense as , a cow eating a McDonadls burger

Its common sesne new general came to power in Afghanistan new tactics , destabalization , developing anger in local population vs enemy ....

Coming in as heros to get sympathy ... solid tactics

Mr Imram Khan is completely correct - as long as the war continues in our neighbourhood , we will continue to see suffering in our economy and lives

Direct / Indirect we don't know but fundamentalist attack mosque is shady its always been shady

 

[Old School]

in theory its completely possible, you kill (innocent) people and they seek revenge, hardly rocket science.

It means that you know the people who took revenge . Please share some info of these avengers.

 

[r3alist]

Infidels kill using drones & as a revenge they kill people in Mosques & Shrines, my goodness, Rocket Science huh!!

my point is that we are creating feelings of animosity amongst our own people who are at the forefront of the war when at this moment we need unity and support, we are doing the opposite

have you heard what the pathans and baluch are saying? how can you turn a blind eye to this - they are convinced that the punjabi elite in pakistan care not a jot about them and are being controlled by the US

on the balance of evidence who can blame them?

 

[DaRk WaVe]

my point is that we are creating feelings of animosity amongst our own people who are at the forefront of the war when at this moment we need unity and support, we are doing the opposite

have you heard what the pathans and baluch are saying? how can you turn a blind eye to this - they are convinced that the punjabi elite in pakistan care not a jot about them and are being controlled by the US

on the balance of evidence who can blame them?

You shifted your point, here is what you responded to....

pak-marine
looking at his statement Imran is holding US responsible for sucide attack on Data Darbar , he is trying to connect drone strikes in FATA and sucide attack on shrine... WTH .... This guy needs some serious help

r3alist
in theory its completely possible, you kill (innocent) people and they seek revenge, hardly rocket science.

Seeking Revenge of Drone Strikes by targeting people in Mosques & Shrines huh?

 

[sparklingway]

I'm sick of this drone attack leads to suicide bombings BS. Yes, they can be used as a motivating factor, but there is no, absolutely no evidence whatsoever that any suicide bomber and potential bombers that have been apprehended had any acquaintance that died in a drone attack. All the time people start making this assumption without any evidence.

Please bring forward any news report, intelligence report or a case report that states that the person caught or who carried out the bombing had any relative that died in a drone attack and he was avenging his family members.

People are motivated on this basis in addition to hundreds of other things including the whole participation in the war on terror, operations in Orakzai, Bajaur, South Warizistan, Swat, Operation Silence and so on. Stop giving me this Drone attack = Suicide bomber BS.

I'm going to ban a terrorist sympathizer as soon as I think he is one. Also, I'm going to report his *** to the National Response Centre For Cyber Crimes as a possible cyber terrorist.

We've ******* lost >30,000 people, thousands of soldiers have laid down their lives and these morons still sympathize with fricking militants. ***holes.

 

[r3alist]

You shifted your point, here is what you responded to....




Seeking Revenge of Drone Strikes by targeting people in Mosques & Shrines huh?

i qualified this by saying "in theory", it was a thought exercise

in short we have to be assertive and introspective enough to realise we are doing a hell of a lot more damage than good by bombing our own, in this respect i agree with imran khan and anyone else who says the same.

this is ofcourse with the assumption that we want the best for our country and people, sometimes i wonder if people on here want this.

 

[TruthSeeker]

The common perception in US is that all Muslims are terrorists.

This is not TRUE, so your question is pointless.

The perception is that almost all terrorists are Muslim!!!

 

[sparklingway]

i qualified this by saying "in theory", it was a thought exercise

in short we have to be assertive and introspective enough to realise we are doing a hell of a lot more damage than good by bombing our own, in this respect i agree with imran khan and anyone else who says the same.

this is ofcourse with the assumption that we want the best for our country and people, sometimes i wonder if people on here want this.

Drone strikes have a very high strike rate. Our right wing media distorts the evidence all the time. Detailed analysis by independents have revealed that the data maintained by The News described militants only as Al Qaeda. They did not include TTP, Taliban and LI as "militants". In their data, even Baitullah Mehsud didn't qualify in the "militant" category. Their reply can be that he died from wounds suffered in the drone strike, but any sane person would qualify that as a successful strike. They haven't included any TTP members as "militants" either. Al Qaeda has minimal presence in the region compared to others and The News and whole right wing fundos have said that their data is based on the fact that US says that drone attacks target Al Qaeda hence we only count killing Al Qaeda as success.

Here's the website they based their data on:- Pakistan Body Count ::: www.pakistanbodycount.org

I guess you can read that they only count Al Qaeda and later our media refers to the count of Al Qaeda killed as militants killed which is entirely wrong.

Indpendent groups have calculated ratio of miliant to civilian/unknown death rate at 3.4 and militant casualty rate at 77.2% unlike the 1 or 2% cited by our right wing fundos. Even this is high collateral damage but way different than what our crackpots tell the people.

Read the following two papers

New Light on the Accuracy of the CIA’s Predator Drone Campaign in Pakistan

Sudden Justice? Evaluating the U.S. Predator Campaign in Pakistan

This does not mean that I inherently agree with their findings, methods or views. I wanted to present to you a scientific study rather than urban jargon.

The need to analyze the effectiveness of a remote targeting technology demands considering its strategic objectives mostly but it has to consider the political, social and economic factors as well. For the US, the necessity to avoid the loss of life on their own side is very important as well. But it would be difficult to establish whether Pentagon would discontinue its policy of drone strikes if it is established that it has caused more collateral damage than it has possibly killed militants. Nevertheless, our public opposition to this policy does not hold much weight in their opinion for our state has allowed and supported it for so long that a demand for canceling it entirely won't matter to them. Our military supplies intelligence for these strikes and it is not unimaginable that we have used them to target known militants not reachable by foot soldiers easily (meaning that we knew the presence of a militant or training school, supplied intelligence and asked for its destruction). Our military is hand-in-hand with these policies.