Imran Khan: US responsible for terrorism in Pakistan

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[r3alist]

pakistan never used to have bombings before we got involved with the USA, neither did afghanistan or iraq - this is what the US has brought to these nations

in that sense imran khan is one million percent correct

stop the US violence and murdering, its affecting other countries and other people

 

[TechLahore]

^^ Why are we even paying attention to this? The guy has been trying to make a place for himself in politics and he has failed. Miserably. He won a single seat election before last and currently his party doesn't occupy a single seat in any assembly in the country. His fame is due to cricket, and if we start listening to the political commentary of every sportsman then we will approach a lowest common denominator situation rapidly.

If he was representative of the thought process or ideas of the Pakistani people, he would have won more than one seat, right? The guy has gone off his rocker. He was far more balanced in the Young Imran Pepsi commercial days. Goes to show that even a sane individual can be infected with the Jamaat craziness if he gets close to them. Qazi and his clique spread a cancer worse than anything previously known to man. They need to be put to sleep.

 

[r3alist]

^^ Why are we even paying attention to this? The guy has been trying to make a place for himself in politics and he has failed. Miserably. He won a single seat election before last and currently his party doesn't occupy a single seat in any assembly in the country. His fame is due to cricket, and if we start listening to the political commentary of every sportsman then we will approach a lowest common denominator situation rapidly.

If he was representative of the thought process or ideas of the Pakistani people, he would have won more than one seat, right? The guy has gone off his rocker. He was far more balanced in the Young Imran Pepsi commercial days. Goes to show that even a sane individual can be infected with the Jamaat craziness if he gets close to them. Qazi and his clique spread a cancer worse than anything previously known to man. They need to be put to sleep.

he is entitled to his opinion as much as anyone, maybe he remembers the days when the usa had nothing to do with pak and the thought of bombings in pakistan was alien, remember those days?

theres a saying that goes - you dance with t he devil you have to wait for the music to stop.....

 

[pak-marine]

people like you (Imran khan) are the ones responsible

 

[r3alist]

people like you (Imran khan) are the ones responsible

ridiculous.

 

[TechLahore]

^^ Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It doesn't mean it has merit. The net-net is that Imran is a political loser. He has been unable to convince the majority of any constituency, much less a province or a country, that he knows his stuff. So therefore, while he has his views, they have been rejected by Pakistan. Now he can continue to dine with the devil at Mansoora, but that has no bearing on what Pakistanis believe, or what Pakistanis want.

As for "those days", yes, I do remember those days. Unfortunately those were days when the Sipah-e-sahaba cancer was spreading throughout Pakistan, when deobandis were killing berelvis and forcibly taking over mosques, when sadiq ganji was murdered by lashkar-e-jhangvi in lahore, when riaz basra was on the run killing innocent worshippers throughout the punjab, when uzbek and chechen terrorists were being provided food and shelter by tribals in FATA and when sufi muhammad (of swat fame) initially declared his sharia madness... we just didn't evict these bastards back then and they decided to stay somewhat under the radar so as not to earn strong retaliation by the state.

Just because they were in hiding and focusing their evil in Afghanistan or in relative backwoods like Jhang, it doesn't mean they didn't exist. They did exist, and they were terrorists and they did bombings and all the other stuff they do now. They were just smaller and less noticed and the Afghan war wasn't on the world stage so no one bothered talking about them much. Now they have grown and the world's attention is on them, so they are in the limelight.

Imran espousing such views is a bloody disgrace. The man has lost his mind. Being a born and bred Lahori, and an Aitchisonian - like Imran - I know his background, many members of his family and what sort of environment he comes from. It's a real shame that his mind has been corrupted by the stinky, mindless mullah from mansoora. What a waste of a man.

 

[pak-marine]

ridiculous.

and you think what he says is 100% right ?

 

[Hyde]

ask Talibans to play cricket match with him. If Talibans win, Imran will resign

If Imran wins, talibans will surrender

 

[r3alist]

^^ Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It doesn't mean it has merit. The net-net is that Imran is a political loser. He has been unable to convince the majority of any constituency, much less a province or a country, that he knows his stuff. So therefore, while he has his views, they have been rejected by Pakistan. Now he can continue to dine with the devil at Mansoora, but that has no bearing on what Pakistanis believe, or what Pakistanis want.

As for "those days", yes, I do remember those days. Unfortunately those were days when the Sipah-e-sahaba cancer was spreading throughout Pakistan, when deobandis were killing berelvis and forcibly taking over mosques, when sadiq ganji was murdered by lashkar-e-jhangvi in lahore, when riaz basra was on the run killing innocent worshippers throughout the punjab, when uzbek and chechen terrorists were being provided food and shelter by tribals in FATA and when sufi muhammad (of swat fame) initially declared his sharia madness... we just didn't evict these bastards back then and they decided to stay somewhat under the radar so as not to earn strong retaliation by the state.

Just because they were in hiding and focusing their evil in Afghanistan or in relative backwoods like Jhang, it doesn't mean they didn't exist. They did exist, and they were terrorists and they did bombings and all the other stuff they do now. They were just smaller and less noticed and the Afghan war wasn't on the world stage so no one bothered talking about them much. Now they have grown and the world's attention is on them, so they are in the limelight.

Imran espousing such views is a bloody disgrace. The man has lost his mind. Being a born and bred Lahori, and an Aitchisonian - like Imran - I know his background, many members of his family and what sort of environment he comes from. It's a real shame that his mind has been corrupted by the stinky, mindless mullah from mansoora. What a waste of a man.

puuuurlease

you have romanticised the pakistani democracy to such hilarious levels that you cannot be talking with a straight face, pakistani democracy simply does not work in a meaningful way, we have zadari as our president for gods sake!! proof enough

QED

then to make the connection of imran's success in the murky backwater of pakistani politics and the actual points he makes is non-existent.

in fact its probably a testament to him that he has NOT succeeded in pakistani politics because if his rise had been quick its a sure sign of some murky activities.

in any case, i partially agree with you, pakistan has had problem of islamic extremism and lack of education - thats one thing - but what we see now is something completely different - its willed and organised chaos and destruction conducted by a group of people looking to divide and destroy pakistan, that has never existed before to this level

say what you want, you may well success in self deception by creating a logical lie, but afghanistan, pakistan and iraq have all seen civil mayhem and division ever since the americans arrived, you should know all about how that works if you went to aitchison

 

[TechLahore]

^^ You just wrote a whole lot of gibberish without saying anything.

What is your point? That you personally happen to agree with Imran Khan's brilliant US conspiracy theory? Ok. Then what?

If by romanticizing Pakistani democracy you mean I am pointing to the fact that Pakistanis have rejected Imran, then you are right. Because they have. The people may be partially illiterate, but they know a guy who is in over his head when they see one. And Imran is *way* in over his head.

 

[TechLahore]

ask Talibans to play cricket match with him. If Talibans win, Imran will resign

If Imran wins, talibans will surrender

Remember what they did to the football team from Quetta? I would hate to see that happen to Imran.

On second thought, it might change his opinion of them

 

[r3alist]

^^ You just wrote a whole lot of gibberish without saying anything.

What is your point? That you personally happen to agree with Imran Khan's brilliant US conspiracy theory? Ok. Then what?

If by romanticizing Pakistani democracy you mean I am pointing to the fact that Pakistanis have rejected Imran, then you are right. Because they have. The people may be partially illiterate, but they know a guy who is in over his head when they see one. And Imran is *way* in over his head.

my point is that your exercise in demonising imran based on a bunch unrelated factors is in fact not helpful, its pathetic, just imo.

in particular your fiction about pakistani democracy, they never rejected him per se, they were just never paid off by him and thats pakistani democracy!

i put the case to you that pakistan, afghanistan and iraq never had mass daily killings before us invasions, any person with their eyes open can see this connection, if imran suggests something similar then its still true, despite your spiel about him being this and that, attack the points, not the person, you are obfuscating facts.

 

[TechLahore]

^^ I don't give enough credit to Imran's gray matter to think of him as a great scheming demon. He is just proving himself to be a mindless idiot. That's all.

As for paying off the voters etc., thou dost protest too much. That's a far fetched justification to explain why Imran and his party are miserable losers. Are you implying that Imran paid-off the voters in Mianwali when he won his sole seat?

Afghanistan never had mass killings before the US invasion? What the hell are you on?

Iraq was a mismanaged war, yes, but the people doing the "mass daily killings" are the wahhabi/salafi types who came to Iraq with the intention of fighting the americans. Since they didn't want to take on the americans directly, they decided to bomb religous gatherings of different sects to get them to fight amongst themselves. The same pattern is present in Pakistan. And if you haven't noticed, this pattern existed *much before* the US invaded Afghanistan. I already specifically pointed out multiple events and people connected with all of this e.g. Sadiq Ganji, Riaz Basra, Jhangvi etc.

All of this has existed in our very midst before the Americans got here. It's just been put on a high flame now, and that in turn has caused a governmental reaction. The result of government action has been attacks of further desperation by these terrorists. A vicious cycle to the stupid lot, and the only way to rid ourselves of these demons to the brighter ones amongst us.

Imran's 3 month solution is a bunch of crap. His view is that we should bury our head in the sand and just stop our campaigns against the terrorists. That is what we did when Sufi Mohammad declared his initial sharia campaign in Swat, that is what we did when we let Riaz Basra escape from prison, that is what we did when Nawaz Sharif embraced Sipah-e-Sahaba as part of IJI, that is what we did when we turned a blind eye to what was going on in Lal Masjid and in the tribal areas during the 90s... ignoring a cancer doesn't make it go away. Suggesting otherwise is foolish at best and devilish at worst.

 

[Jungibaaz]

you cannot blame the US for terrorism in Pak. It is our war to, and it had to be fought sometime, better sooner than later.