If India is following Israeli model in Kashmir, Pakistan needs to follow the Iranian model

[Aspen]

After India passed their new law to alter the demographics of Kashmir by following the Israeli model of settlements in the West Bank, Pakistan should wake up and follow the Iranian model of hard power, force, and deterrence. Pakistan should create some strong proxies and start surrounding Indian Kashmir. Step up clandestine operations and start launching some missiles and drones to hit key military targets. Pakistan should forget about these hollow press releases and establish some real force and deterrence with missiles and drones to bring an end to Indian impunity in Kashmir. There ought to be consequences for India, the era of Pakistan allowing them to get away must end. Iran has been the most successful at putting pressure on Israel with its proxies and striking key Saudi locations which is exactly what Pakistan should do to India. When Pakistan says India has violated UN resolutions and imprisoned Kashmiris like worse than animals, India doesn't deserve an easy slap on the wrist. That deserves a hard and forceful response, and for that you need credibility on your threats. India currently thinks that Pakistan won't do anything to stop it and they are right. Pakistan needs to establish credibility. If we say we will do something, we should do it. Now is not the time for Pakistan to be afraid. Now is the time to take bold, tough, forceful, aggressive and decisive action and stop India's Israeli settler model in Kashmir in its tracks. When US killed Iran's top general, Iran didn't quietly accept it. They launched dozens of missiles at US bases in hard revenge and made sure US heard their message loud and clear. When Syria killed dozens of Turkish soldiers, Erdogan unleashed hell on Syria by drone striking anything that moved. That is what Pakistan must do to India if we are serious about gaining credibility to deliver our threats and put an end to India's impunity.

 

[Malik Alpha]

It means we should start killing Muslims while chanting margba India?

 

[Bilal.]

And Kashmiris need to have kids, lots of them. They need to help bump up the percentage of Muslims to 20% and beyond which has already grown to around 15%. Do that and see hindutva nazis lose their minds.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

OP is ignoring the fact that israel is outnumbered by its opponents. India has 900,000 troops in Kashmir alone.

I would actually argue that Pakistan should have been using the Israeli doctrine for keeping a numerically superior foe at bay, by establishing political influence and maintaining a technological edge as a means of leverage against that foe. Moreover - and this is actually the most crucial point - Pakistan has a unique problem in that Pakistanis themselves will sabotage the efforts of Pakistanis. Neither Iran nor Israel ever had that problem in matters of national security. Kargil could have been a decisive victory if free from internal acts of sabotage.

 

[Ace of Spades]

The model to counter india's move in Kashmir is Indian model; make them suffer in their other states. The way they did with east Pakistan, balochistan, karachi...

 

[ChennaiDude]

And Kashmiris need to have kids, lots of them. They need to help bump up the percentage of Muslims to 20% and beyond which has already grown to around 15%. Do that and see hindutva nazis lose their minds.

Man- Dont you think- Education and growing in your career would be a better option?- How many more generations should go through this?- In todays world no one is going to be able to take another countries land- not gonna happen- The best way forward is education and making sure the prosperity and well being is the 1st and foremost.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Man- Dont you think- Education and growing in your career would be a better option?- How many more generations should go through this?- In todays world no one is going to be able to take another countries land- not gonna happen- The best way forward is education and making sure the prosperity and well being is the 1st and foremost.

You are talking way too much sense.

Btw, is this really gonna change the demogrpahics in Kashmir ? There must be barely any outsiders in Kashmir Valley who must be there for more than 15 years. At least relative to the native population.

 

[Ace of Spades]

How many more generations should go through this?

Don't be in a rush in geo-political games. It's just starting; why in a hurry?

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Man- Dont you think- Education and growing in your career would be a better option?- How many more generations should go through this?- In todays world no one is going to be able to take another countries land- not gonna happen- The best way forward is education and making sure the prosperity and well being is the 1st and foremost.

Russia just took a swathe of Ukraine. Israel annexed Jerusalem. Syria, Iraq and Libya have been de-facto carved up by various different regional groups or nation states and their sponsors.

Pakistan and India will fight once more over Kashmir. Let covid blow over first, then be ready. Education and prosperity are certainly good things but in our case, they are a means to an end, towards our destiny. Pakistan will not ever abandon its people in Kashmir. We will come for them. If you think otherwise, all the better.

 

[ChennaiDude]

Don't be in a rush in geo-political games. It's just starting; why in a hurry?

Not in a hurry- Hurry was 70 years too late-Now its too late-I would love to be proven wrong.

Russia just took a swathe of Ukraine. Israel annexed Jerusalem. Syria, Iraq and Libya have been de-facto carved up by various different regional groups or nation states and their sponsors.

Pakistan and India will fight once more over Kashmir. Let covid blow over first, then be ready. Education and prosperity are certainly good things but in our case, they are a means to an end, towards our destiny. Pakistan will not ever abandon its people in Kashmir. We will come for them. If you think otherwise, all the better.

All the best- God speed to you my friend-(If you dont like me calling you Friend- Thats fine too).

 

[Ace of Spades]

Not in a hurry- Hurry was 70 years too late-Now its too late-I would love to be proven wrong.

Indeed, 70 years too late to take off the gloves and making india what it was bound to be; a hindu state; governed by fanatics. Modi, his bhaks and rss ki jai. The upcoming few years are gonna be very very interesting. Lots will change; it's just the beginning and you can already start hearing the music.

 

[Bilal.]

Man- Dont you think- Education and growing in your career would be a better option?- How many more generations should go through this?- In todays world no one is going to be able to take another countries land- not gonna happen- The best way forward is education and making sure the prosperity and well being is the 1st and foremost.

Did care who they are gassing, did they check education degree? Did the new nazi care who is educated and who is not when they locked down everyone... nearing a year now?

Numbers is what is needed. It will either turn the percentage in their favor going to 20% and beyond giving nightmares to the nazis and if the nazis try to match it they will explode the total population and implode the entire country and its economy.

 

[skyshadow]

After India passed their new law to alter the demographics of Kashmir by following the Israeli model of settlements in the West Bank, Pakistan should wake up and follow the Iranian model of hard power, force, and deterrence. Pakistan should create some strong proxies and start surrounding Indian Kashmir. Step up clandestine operations and start launching some missiles and drones to hit key military targets. Pakistan should forget about these hollow press releases and establish some real force and deterrence with missiles and drones to bring an end to Indian impunity in Kashmir. There ought to be consequences for India, the era of Pakistan allowing them to get away must end. Iran has been the most successful at putting pressure on Israel with its proxies and striking key Saudi locations which is exactly what Pakistan should do to India. When Pakistan says India has violated UN resolutions and imprisoned Kashmiris like worse than animals, India doesn't deserve an easy slap on the wrist. That deserves a hard and forceful response, and for that you need credibility on your threats. India currently thinks that Pakistan won't do anything to stop it and they are right. Pakistan needs to establish credibility. If we say we will do something, we should do it. Now is not the time for Pakistan to be afraid. Now is the time to take bold, tough, forceful, aggressive and decisive action and stop India's Israeli settler model in Kashmir in its tracks. When US killed Iran's top general, Iran didn't quietly accept it. They launched dozens of missiles at US bases in hard revenge and made sure US heard their message loud and clear. When Syria killed dozens of Turkish soldiers, Erdogan unleashed hell on Syria by drone striking anything that moved. That is what Pakistan must do to India if we are serious about gaining credibility to deliver our threats and put an end to India's impunity.

thank GOD i always saying that, is Iran could take not one but several countries by that strategy than one province will be matter of mounts.

 

[Aspen]

thank GOD i always saying that, is Iran could take not one but several countries by that strategy than one province will be matter of mounts.

Exactly, look how strong Iran is in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, Yemen.

Iran has cornered their enemies Israel and Saudi from every direction. Pakistan needs to corner India like that.

For that, Pakistan needs innovative and creative new ideas and technologies. Pakistan should get China's help to start building artificial islands in the Indian Ocean and station missiles there pointed at India. Get 1 or 2 aircraft carriers and load them up with JF-17's and do naval exercises in Indian Ocean on Pakistani aircraft carriers with Turkey, Russia, China, and Iran. And if Indian jets dare to come close, shoot them down like Turkey last month. Turkish F-16's used sophisticated new technology to shoot down Syrian Su-24 by launching AMRAAM AIM-120C and then going invisible by turning radar off and sending datalink to the missile to a nearby 737 AWACS aircraft that guided missile towards its target. Then F-16 turned radar back on just seconds before missile impact when it was too late for the enemy. An Indian enemy aircraft would not even have a chance against us to detect what was happening if Pakistan used this new strategy.

Pakistan should also get serious about cyber warfare like Iran and start hacking and disrupting critical Indian IT and gov't infrastructure. Iran has hacked a US RQ-170 drone and reverse engineered it, crippled a Las Vegas casino by trashing its servers after Sheldon Adelson threatened to bomb Iran, and disk nuked Aramco computers with Shamoon malware so bad that it was cheaper for Saudis to buy new ones than fix the old ones. Iran is a great example of how to deal with your enemies effectively. Asymmetric warfare is the key. Use any means at your disposal to hit India where it hurts.

 

[Ultima Thule]

For that, Pakistan needs innovative and creative new ideas and technologies. Pakistan should get China's help to start building artificial islands in the Indian Ocean and station missiles there pointed at India. Get 1 or 2 aircraft carriers and load them up with JF-17's and do naval exercises in Indian Ocean on Pakistani aircraft carriers with Turkey, Russia, China, and Iran.

Pakistan don't need Aircraft carriers it will be burden on Pakistani economy unless our economy is like UK and France and as for artificial island will also expensive project, SSBN can do this job more effectively and cheaply