IAF's fighter plane Sukhoi 30 crashes in Nagaon in Assam

[Abingdonboy]

Fighter jets crash all over the world, India and Pakistan are no exception.
However the difference is that all PAF front line jets are single engine where as IAF mostly operates twin engine like SU-30, MiG-29 and the Jaguar. It's when these jets crash, it becomes concerning. Also remember that PAF aircraft have regularly been flying combat missions for the last several years.

This would only hold true if all aviation crashes were the result of engine failures. Yes having a second engine is an in-built redundancy but only a redundancy against a very specific fault (i.e. engine failure). There are literally thousands of reasons why aircraft go down.


The IAF remains to have one of the lowest crash records in the world, being one of the largest and most scrutinised AFs you won't get that impression but the fact remains.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

BAD news ; let us see what the Court of Inquiry report says

The last crash was in October 14

 

[Abingdonboy]

And pilot survives.

Su 30 are shitt or pilot are shyt.

I doubt any other country lost as many sukhoi 30. Mind you india fly best of the lot.

With friggin top notch upgrade even better than Russian !

What absurd logic is this? When a plane is unrecoverable the pilots are expected to go down with the plane, for what? Engage your brain before typing. These are professionals, the best of the best, if they eject there is a damn good reason to do so.


The IAF operates more Su-30s then any other AF in the world AND puts the most amount of hours on each airframe each year so it goes without saying they are likely to loose the most. Having said that, 6 planes in 17+ years of operation isn't that bad.

 

[Archie]

What absurd logic is this? When a plane is unrecoverable the pilots are expected to go down with the plane, for what? Engage your brain before typing. These are professionals, the best of the best, if they eject there is a damn good reason to do so.


The IAF operates more Su-30s then any other AF in the world AND puts the most amount of hours on each airframe each year so it goes without saying they are likely to loose the most. Having said that, 6 planes in 17+ years of operation isn't that bad.

But 6 planes since 2009, is bad

believe it or not, each Su30 lost is a 350 crore replacement bill to the tax payer

 

[cloud_9]

Glorified incompetent f^^ks both on the ground and in the air.

 

[Abingdonboy]

But 6 planes since 2009, is bad

believe it or not, each Su30 lost is a 350 crore replacement bill to the tax payer

It depends on the reason behind each crash. At least one was lost due to a fuse issue on weapons release that could happen to any a/c at anytime, it is just one of those things.

It is naive to expect the IAF to be pushing their machines to the limit to ensure their men are fully proficient and honed whilst also expecting a 0% crash rate- this just isn't how aviation works. Look around the world, every AF loses planes, no matter how advanced or "safe" they are touted to be. Once the MiG-21s and MiG-27s are out of service by the end of this decade the crash rate of the IAF is going to be almost negligible.

Glorified incompetent f^^ks both on the ground and in the air.

Saying this before the cause of the crash has even been established? How very unfair bro. It is very easy for us sat behind keyboards to criticise but few of us actually know the absurd amount of work that goes into making these inherently dangerous machines, relatively, safe to fly on a daily basis.

 

[duhastmish]

What absurd logic is this? When a plane is unrecoverable the pilots are expected to go down with the plane, for what? Engage your brain before typing. These are professionals, the best of the best, if they eject there is a damn good reason to do so.


The IAF operates more Su-30s then any other AF in the world AND puts the most amount of hours on each airframe each year so it goes without saying they are likely to loose the most. Having said that, 6 planes in 17+ years of operation isn't that bad.

They are falling . And lot of others too.

Anyways you must quit your jingoistic logic to even talk about such topic. These best of the best have training problem if their jets and chopper are falling like flies.

It's a worrying news but I think even I must quit before inquiry report.

 

[Abingdonboy]

They are falling . And lot of others too.

Anyways you must quit your brain fart logic to even talk about such topic. These best of the best have training problem if their jets and chopper are falling like flies.

It's a worrying news but I think even I must quit before inquiry report.

How do you know what happened huh? You can't know and neither can I and yet you are making absurd declarative statements like "they are failing"? How dare you.


And you add BS to BS by making remarks like "their jets and choppers are falling like flies" such nonsense is best left for Facebook or somewhere where this $hit will go unchallenged but not here. There is no empirical evidence to back up your nonsense, the IAF have as respectable a safety record as any AF in the world. Every AF losses planes- accept that or get lost.

+ @duhastmish I'm setting the notifications to "ignore" you, I haven't got the patience to argue with blind fools who are more interested in spouting out their anti-India nonsense then adhering to the facts.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Abingdonboy Sir

It is a serious matter

Sukhois are high tech expensive planes ; therefore such crashes are a matter of concern

Infact if you have noticed the crash rate of Mig 21 has declined very appreciably

Is it possible that the maintenance staff is still coming to terms with this
complicated machine

 

[duhastmish]

Oye chacha re read I edited to be in a civilised way to talk in a forum.

And yes I think IAF jets are falling way too much. Yes you can ignore me. Tu bada doodh dal ke jata hai mere ghar.

Yes it's my money as tax payer and I think the problem must be noticed.

In such fragile neighbourhoods you have be very critical. And yes we will wait for verdict. I am not going to ground whole fleet , ok now! chill bro.

How do you know what happened huh? You can't know and neither can I and yet you are making absurd declarative statements like "they are failing"? How dare you.


And you add BS to BS by making remarks like "their jets and choppers are falling like flies" such nonsense is best left for Facebook or somewhere where this $hit will go unchallenged but not here. There is no empirical evidence to back up your nonsense, the IAF have as respectable a safety record as any AF in the world. Every AF losses planes- accept that or get lost.

+ @duhastmish I'm setting the notifications to "ignore" you, I haven't got the patience to argue with blind fools who are more interested in spouting out their anti-India nonsense then adhering to the facts.

 

[Abingdonboy]

@Abingdonboy Sir

It is a serious matter

Sukhois are high tech expensive planes ; therefore such crashes are a matter of concern

Infact if you have noticed the crash rate of Mig 21 has declined very appreciably

Is it possible that the maintenance staff is still coming to terms with this
complicated machine

The Mig-21 crash rate has declined for three reasons
1) They are being replaced
2) A large amount of them have been upgraded to the "Bison" standard
3)They are being flown less because of the risks involved


And no I don't at all buy the theory that the MKIs are "too complex" for the ground crews to service, the IAF has had these birds in service for a LONG time and if that was the case you'd have seen a lot more than 6 crash to date. The IAF is a professional and technical service, the ground crews will be appropriately trained of that there is no doubt.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

And yes I think IAF jets are falling way too much.

Yes it's my money as tax payer and I think the problem must be noticed.

In such fragile neighbourhoods you have be very critical. And yes we will wait for verdict. I am not going to ground whole fleet , ok now! chill bro.

You are right ; IAF has to be more careful

 

[Abingdonboy]

You are right ; IAF has to be more careful

Let's wait and see what the BoI says, it is too early to assign blame. And anyway risk is an omnipresent reality in aviation, forget combat aviation, you can never truly eliminate risk. One has to accept the IAF is a very very large and growing force that pushes its men and machines to the limit in terms of capabilities and operational tempo and so crashes are always going to occur.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

The IAF is a professional and technical service, the ground crews will be appropriately trained of that there is no doubt.

Let us hope they find out the reason soon

First it was as problem with FBW ; then a Bomb exploded ; then there was seat ejection issues

Now let us hope we can pin point the problem at the earliest

It might be HAL 's fault this time

One has to accept the IAF is a very very large and growing force that pushes its men and machines to the limit in terms of capabilities and operational temps and so crashes are always going to occur.

Yes that is true

Even when the Mig 21s were crashing every month ; IAF did not
reduce or cut down its training and flying hours

They never back down in the face of a challenge or problem

 

[nik22]

Let's wait and see what the BoI says, it is too early to assign blame. And anyway risk is an omnipresent reality in aviation, forget combat aviation, you can never truly eliminate risk. One has to accept the IAF is a very very large and growing force that pushes its men and machines to the limit in terms of capabilities and operational temps and so crashes are always going to occur.

Do you happen to know the reasons of 6 failures?