Couple of questions on how you set simulation parameters
- Threat identification - Does PAF have real time information of strike package on route such as number of bandits?
- PAF response - Is this the standard response or more interceptors are likely to have been scrambled to balance the scales
How are they gonna engage a IAF jet in case of a surprise attack????
I have read a couple of articles from Cope-India and i have to disagree on the fact that only Su-30mki's will be employed. From what ever i have read from Cope-India the Mig-21s and Flankers were employed side by side. Flankers kept the F-15s at long range while the Migs came in at low altitude and engaged the F-15s up close. This was done during both defensive and offensive roles. So you might want to add a couple of Tejas to the mix. I don't remember the link but if i can ill paste them here, you can modify the simulation results after that...
wouldn't the Sukhoi's force the F-16s to engage them first ? i would always imagine a strike package of Jags will be protected by Sukhoi's
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i had a boner watching that simulation
Some things to clear up:
1.This is a IAF response to a terrorist attack and NOT all out war.
2. This is 2019, I see no evidence so far that the Tejas will be at an acceptable operational strength and be of that capacity where the IAF would want it employed in offensive operations.
3. The Mig-29s are playing the role of the Bisons in embedded escorts.
4. The PAF has information of the strike package in fits and starts, but expects it at Muridke since it makes the most obvious(diplomatically and politically) target to hit after a terror attack.
5. The Sukhois kept the F-16s at range, the Mig-29s snuck in with the strike package.
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Sir when we have got some prior intelligence of an imminent attack and PAF on high alert and max aircraft on ADA duties, then why wud PAF employ less numbers of aircraft to that high number of attacking aircraft? Had it been just one type of aircraft from one Base, then it would make sense that we dont want to leave that place vulnerable. But with dissimilar aircraft deployment, it shud have been IAF whose attacking aircraft numbers should have been less than ours. I wud suggest that AEWs shud also be made part of this simulation as they are suppose to give us advance warning.
AEW are part of the simulation. I have purposely discarded the possibility of humint and intel and left the awareness solely to sensors of the IAF attack.
Ok i want to understand key variables used for this simulation .Weapon ,Aerial supports ,Pilot skills /Terrain response etc ,seems interesting but F16 losses are huge
All weapons are current to supposed 2019 levels, AEW support and a datalink that shares enemy info is somewhat simulated. Pilot skills on both sides are excellent. Terrain is the weak point here as the game engine takes the
After the Bombay attacks, a similar situation in Ghandinagar clearly indicates a major security failure by the Indian intelligence agencies.
Computer simulation results depend upon the input in the software. The results may be close to what would happen in a conventional battle involving aircraft. What happens after the strike? WOULD Pakistan simply capitulate or is the nuclear threshold already crossed?
Is it right to assume that IAF is ready to strike within 24 hrs? One would expect some formal ultimatum which would give time for PAF to put its own strategy & ground defences in place. Besides, PAF may decide to launch her own attack somewhere, using aircrafts as well as missiles.
The simulation is limited to this strike package and response.
I believe the IAF has contingency packages prepared that are well rehearsed with selected pilots and units that might skip any formal ultimatum or otherwise if they feel that they are politically and diplomatically justified to attack their designated terrorist targets.
I can do a supposed PAF response later.
Seriously????? The PAF won't be hit in a single place....and you must remember that the Su 30 can engage and disengage in a fight whenever it wants. And the First targets will always be your airbases and SEAD. The most important thing is the loss of every F 16C/D is similar to the loss of 5 Su 30 for us as the impact on availability of resources will be hit badly.
NO. The Indian establishment will want to send the clear diplomatic message that its only coming for LeT. That being said, there was SEAD escort that is aiming directly at PAF assets. The rest of your post is irrelevant to this particular strike and package.
Looks like Strike Fighters 2....... I loved bombing the Soviets in SF2: Europe. (No offense to the Reds).
Any-who the most obvious thing, regarding the scenario for me is that the PAF has no "missile barrage" of it's own in the sky, something that gives it aerial dominance and better air-to-air engagement. I doubt any of the Thunders would be lost, if the PAF had a dedicated air-to-air platform.
Yes it is SF2, but there is nothing standard about it since I have tweaked the config files inside out.
That was the F-16, but the IAF will know what to engage and not engage. Their pilots will have some briefing which threat is more dangerous to them.
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Musharraf made a very critical mistake during the Kargil War - he discounted the air aspect. This simulation has discounted the Army, as well as the following:
a) PA's Air Defence Systems
b) PA Arty strikes on bases like Pathankot
c) LACM's under the control of the Army
d) The PAF's stand off capability in terms of CM's & Missiles
e) No F-16B or F-16 D's were scrambled - why?
No air strike, would be single handedly be dealt by the PAF, but the other two other services would go on a war footing (equal to that of DEFCON 1) as well.
There are multiple other factors which would get involved, but that is not for me to discuss on a public forum. Time will tell.
a) No it hasnt, infact the MKI's, the Jaguars and the Mirages all were targeted and engaged by SAMs (
I use an action camera that skipped the SAM launches). Their countermeasures and ECM were effective.
b) That would be after an event like this, not during the 25 minutes it lasted.
c) see b)
d) see b)
e) There is no need to scramble two seat aircraft for basic interception duties.
Please see b) for your entire comment.
why aircraft ~! A few brahmos will do the job .
India would be willing to launch a weapon with a CeP of 15-20M into a highly populated area and have civilian casualties? I believe the Indian establishment is much more astute diplomatically and knows that avoiding collateral damage sends a strong message. The M2Ks and LGBs are 1-2M accurate.
What is important to note and especially for the usual suspects in the Whiny Indian member category that we have among the larger Indian diaspora is that the IAF had EVERYTHING going in its favour. From better avionics, to better numbers, to a great strike plan but most importantly;
In case of such terror attacks, the PAF is on HIGH alert with at least 3 CAPs airborne at any time and more aircraft on alert 5. This is the result of a "sleeping" PAF as such.
Sadly, certain Indians being of a particular mentality cannot see or accept that.
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