Couple of questions on how you set simulation parameters
- Threat identification - Does PAF have real time information of strike package on route such as number of bandits?
- PAF response - Is this the standard response or more interceptors are likely to have been scrambled to balance the scales
the answer to first question is a probable yes. check out the program Mahaz with PAF (of Wajahat S khan. shows a glimpse of PAF control room).
very specific and need to know questions which have a subjective nature.
second question is impossible to answer. so from a logical point of view and understanding I can only theorize that the response will depend upon the threat perception .. if the attack is against Kahuta or any other nuclear installations then I would say definitely YES.
this doesn't mean that PAF would take this violation less seriously. Pakistan's air is being violated and its not bout LeT or its leadership .. its about the credibility of PAF to protect the sovereignty
How are they gonna engage a IAF jet in case of a surprise attack????
from personal experience and knowledge I tell you this that this sort of defensive exercise is drilled regularly.
surprise is a known and acknowledged factor.
as for how..well I will leave it .. you can check out the videos of a standard air defence routines done from the grounds.
men on advance observation posts, men manning guns/ weapon batteries 24/7 to name a few
September 2018 -
The A massive explosion rocks the IIT campus in Gandhinagar leaving tens of students dead and hundreds injured. A finger is pointed immediately by India at the LeT even as less than 24 hours have passed. PM Modi delivers a sombre and terse message; "India has the right to take revenge".
PAF assets are only just being put on alert but the intelligence lines are buzzing.
The IAF is instructed to deliver a message with the following package.
The best pilots have been selected to deliver this message.
Disclaimer: AT NO POINT DID I PERSONALLY CONTROL AN AIRCRAFT OR MAKE INPUTS TO INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME, the only thing set was the number of aircraft and response aircraft of PAF - Who were given the assumed advantage of a long range sam battery as well. Pilots on both sides set with excellent skills. Radar range(and power) are set to best known "real world" levels along RCS, ECM and other parameters. I made no attempt to do anything less than any unfair advantage except the HQ-9 which isnt an unlikely factor.
The only thing not simulated is morale and panic. The AI pilots do what they came to do, fight how they can, die without "fear" or "hesitation".
The IAF Strike package had ToT just at dusk and was made up of:
2 x M2K - LGB -LeT HQ Muridke
2 x M2K - LGB -Hafiz Saeed last location - 3km west of Let HQ
4 x Jaguar DARIN - SEAD escort
3 x Mig-29 UPG - Embedded Escort
4 x Su-30 MKI - High altitude Escort
6 x Su-30 MKI - Fighter sweep
2 x Su-30 MKI - SEAD escort
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23 Combat aircraft
All IAF aircraft are connected via simulated AFNET.
Ground Defence
1 x S-400
Akash Sams
In return the PAF standard alert 5 and 10 group send the following
PAF response:
2 x F-16C
4 x F-16A
4 x JF-17
2 x F-7PG
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12 Combat Aircraft
All PAF aircraft except F-7PG are connected via simulated Link-17
Ground Defences:
2 x LY-80
1 x HQ-9
Final Tally
IAF Losses:
7 x Su-30MKI ( 5 to air combat, 2 to SAMs)
3 x Jaguar DARIN
2 x M2K
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52% of assets employed lost
PAF Losses:
4 x F-16A MLU
1 x F-16C
4 x JF-17
2 x F-7PG
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92% of assets employed lost
IAF mission 50% success, HS escapes but LeT HQ in Muridke hit.
As with all simulations, there is always what you think might happen and what does happen.The M2Ks were to follow a dogleg low level attack approach into target.. some of the flight time shown is them racing parallel to border before beginning their run.
The PAF was outnumbered 2:1 and I expected the F-16s to be the ones holding the fight and the JF-17s not lasting long. The F-16C's engaged first and decimated most of the Jaguar flight although one Jaguar managed to slip in and hit a PA RBS-70 & AAA battery South of Muridke.
The F-16A's which I assumed would be the most effective in air to air combat were so overwhelmed by the MKI's focus with volleys upon volleys of R-77s and R-27s that they only managed to take down 1 MKI before all 4 went down.
The JF-17 flight however had flown in low and because the MKI's were all focused on the F-16s, they did not pick up the smaller RCS JF-17 before they picked up the JF-17s and engaged. That focus on the F-16s left them vulnerable to the JF-17s attack and 3 MKI's were lost to JF-17s, along with the second M2K strike group. They were finally taken down by numbers with both MKI's and Mig-29's scoring kills.
The MKI's also were lost to HQ-9 systems due to their higher altitude.
This is only one run of the simulation, and I must state that beyond this video.. there were cases where the PAF took out the entire M2K squadron and had a kill ratio of 1.5:1; and also a run where the PAF managed only to destroy 2 or 4 aircraft and both IAF strikes went successful.
In the end, its just a show of what might , could , may not or may happen.
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impressive and original work
just a question.
did you consider involving AWACS into this simulation? both sides could have employed them to effectively sneak through or vector the responses to threats.
(sorry , they do feature in the video but were not mentioned in the mission parameters hence the question).
Ok i want to understand key variables used for this simulation .Weapon ,Aerial supports ,Pilot skills /Terrain response etc ,seems interesting but F16 losses are huge
Dah
did you read through the scenario? there is a reason.. they took the brunt of the attack.
why aircraft ~! A few brahmos will do the job .
what a great post.
you must have told the OP before he had spent time on creating this thread
while you are on it. why don't you tell IAF to cancel all new aircraft deals with few Brahmos can do the job
this is a kind of a flame bait which will bring Pakistani trolls with their Babur Missiles. resulting in trashing the thread
just banning some posters now to stop this nonsense
Well the end of simulation is: No pilot ever returned back to India.
