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IAF R-73/R-77 AAMs recovered from Mig-21 wreckage l Abhinandan did not fire any missile

Indian Mig21 CAP are known to fly with 2 fuel tanks. In that config you can have one Elta and 2 R-73. Or 2R-73 and one R-77. The CAP can consist of on Elta pod on the second jet in the pair. I will receive one more video and info on India cap if I find any thing will update. But both R-73 are in wreckage that is confirm.
I don't think it was a CAP. Was the mig airborne around the time the intrusion happened?
I think in an interceptor role, the fuel tanks for added range would be counter-productive.
Maybe Windjammer can confirm if the above hypothesis is correct or not.
 
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It's fake, he is just a fanboy who doesn't even know 500 knots is not 2500 km/hours

This guy should be court martialed.
When DGISP says there were no F-16 involved then who is he to spread fake news

That idiot in the sound clip is not a PAF pilot.

GOP does not admit these claims because of diplomacy but PAF pilots are slowly leaking these information.
 
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F16D ECM is perhaps the best or on par with the best in South Asia. And with AMRAAMs it is lethal. F16D without doubt will be on top of list to be part of package conducting deep strike.
you have no idea how far the SD-10A out matches the AIM-120C AMRAAMs including their ECM. Their is a reason why we chose the JF-17 to lead the attack rather than the F-16s.
 
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F16D ECM is perhaps the best or on par with the best in South Asia. And with AMRAAMs it is lethal. F16D without doubt will be on top of list to be part of package conducting deep strike.

Few corrections. The AMRAAMs are lethal if they hit; it has a 63% success ratio at 19 missiles and only 12 hit out of those 19. And to basically use BVR, you need really good radar coverage in hostile air space, so you need a good network such that you can sort out jams, you can identify hostile and friendly jets, you can pinpoint movement with accuracy and avoid obstructions or decoys, consider hostile air space like a dense network of obstructions; so it isn't always as simple as locking on and shooting that 100+ or 200+ or even 350+ km BVR missile. So, therefore the F-16D does not need to be a direct part of the package conducting deep strike, with good radar coverage provided by AWACs, it can sit at safe distance in Pakistani Air Space and safely engage. Why sending F-16D's, loaded with AMRAAMS, directly with deep strike package would be a bad idea, I have explained in last paragraph.

F-16s did not directly participate in this bombing operation i.e. they did not drop bombs. Indian media and officials tried to convince the United States that Pakistan acted as an aggressor by hitting out military compounds, and showed the AMRAAM missile exploded piece as proof; the issue is that it is, as is in the name AAM, an Air-to-Air Missile. An AAM cannot be used to against ground targets - the scenario was that the F-16s were being used well within Pakistani air space, loaded with AMRAAMs, to act as long-range standby escorts for the JF-17 Thunders and Mirages package undertaking, directly, the bombing operation.

When the IAF CAP scrambled and challenge the PAF formation, the Indian interception including a formation of 4 Su-30MKI, the PAF F-16s locked on and shot AMRAAMs from their safe distance in Pakistani Air Space, the Indian officials confirmed that your Sukhoi's formed evasive maneuvers and made use of flight instruments to evade the AMRAAMs. As for the Mig-21 Bison, it was shot down in a dogfight with the JF-17 Thunder.

The F-16, therefore, never engaged in a dogfight. Your officials reported that several AMRAAMs were fired, only capable by F-16s, and that your Sukhoi's performed evasive maneuvers to evade them. That means that the F-16s were loaded with AMRAAMs, BVR missiles, and when that is the case, you don't send a fighter jet loaded with BVR missiles configuration into WVR-ranged combat, hence F-16 was never in any dogfight.
 
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Im really proud of that Pic. You know why ?

FACT : Indian Mig 21 ATTACAKED ( and Got Hit ) when PAF Dared to Cross LOC. PAF remained SLEEPING while India Hit 80 KM Inside !

Except there is one problem with this narrative, Abhi didn't fired anything at all.
He is back in Indian's custody for weeks, why is he not on TV narrating his tales of bravery and how he shoot down a F16!!
You see your own Prime Witness is not willing to toe your narrative.
Case closed.
 
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Mera baacha, no no no. Except there is one problem with this narrative, Abhi didn't fired anything at all.
He is back in Indian's custody for weeks, why is he not on TV narrating his tales of bravery and how he shoot down a F16!!
You see your own Prime Witness is not willing to toe your narrative.
Case closed.
Let's not be condescending towards each other mate ..
Just a discussion ..
 
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Let's not be condescending towards each other mate ..
Just a discussion ..
I wasn't I was just joking.

I do not think aircrafts ready to scramble, such as abhinandan's mig21 have EFTs. They are heavy and such aircrafts do not need range and rather require an ability to gain altitude asap.

Are you my friend discounting Mig 21 Bison's capabilities in war theater!!
 
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To All, Respectable Pakistani Members. I ask ONE SERIOUS QUESTION.

WHY was PAF SLEEPING when INDIA RAIDED ? 80 KM Deep.
You Tried to Drop some bombs Staying INSIDE your LOC but still our Abhinandan Scrambled. I mean...

Dont you guys Think ?

Oh boy. Why you keep insisting on such feeble points!!
I shared this on my twitter account on 3rd March and on this forum in response to someone on 6th March.
According to your own sources, the Indian jets never crossed the LOC.

""A second official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that the IAF was keen on crossing the LoC to bomb the target but it was decided that it should only fire the PGM “from Indian side of LoC". "

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...s-in-jaish-madrasa-were-hit-official-5607623/

Rest easy my friend. You surely didn't cross 80 km deep in to Pakistan Airspace. And PAF was not sleeping.
DG ISPR immediately said in his PC that intruder only entered Pakistan's airspace, 3/4 km and when they were faced with PAF interceptors they dump their loads and flee to Indian's side of LOC.

Pakistani position had been consistent from day one. I as a very balanced individual would have been very angry if Indian's air crafts intruded 80 Km in Pakistani air space. More than you, I would be asking tough questions.
 
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From the start of the current incidents, does anyone have any idea as to why the much publicized MiG-29 UPGs (60+ of them) are conspicuous by their absence and devoid of any mention during discussions or news lately?

In spite of having 2 squadrons stationed at Adampur, (Indian) Punjab i.e. approximately 100 km from the Pakistani border.
 
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@balixd
And others who took part in this research thread Can we all please download the HD video and save in our computer? You never know when India will get the video removed
 
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Hehehe. I am baffled, truly baffled. A piece of fired AIM 120 proves what!!! Share with us your marvelous insight.
By the way, in a way it proves that a SU30 was downed by AIM 120.

Indians are funny creatures and they live in universe of their own. They seem to think that the world is all that is shown in Bollywood and they can shout Josh Josh.

Its been many years since I have been on forums but Indians have not changed. they sound like teenagers who have just discovered puberty.

In regards to their claim of F-16 being shot down and AIM-120 C. Well it only requires logical approach to see how absurd they are in their claim. So it might be easier to work this out in simple way.

Indian claim:

AIM-120C was found at the scene of dog fight and they further claim that 4 AIM-120C were fired.

So what does that show? Well First of all AIM-120 is BVR and not WVR, it has a range for 105+km thus it is clear that F-16 was not involved in dog fight otherwise WVR would have been used and not BVR. This effectively show that F-16, even if used, were long distance away.

Only thing AIM-120C shows that the there fired at some Indian Plane.

They than claim that MIG-21 shot down F-16 and that Abi nan done had radio the message that he has sight of the target before he went silent. Which, if one is to accept this, shows that the plane was close by. But that well does not conform with their claim that AIM-120C was used. Why would F-16 be this close to the border when it can effectively be anywhere up to 80+km away and yet still engage targets. Especially when they are claiming that BVR was used, why would F-16 use BVR and not WVR.

If one is to further analysis this they also want us to accept that perhaps f-16 were far away that would explain AIM-120C usage but some however, they magically got close to LOC and Mig-21 sneaked upto F-16 to have it locked and fire WVR. They also seems to ignore that AWAC was being used thus their MIG-21 could not hide away from F-16 or other planes and that is why it was shot down.

They than say why did ISPR lied? well take it they did lie so what??? didnt india originally claimed that their planes are accounted for and that PAF was lying but that slowly change. So what should one take from that.

Their egos are hurt and they are trying to justify their existence. They were ranting their superiority for close to 2 decades, especially since they inducted SU-30 MKI. I have been hearing about their super duper MKI since 2003.

They again fail to explain why didnt they send MKI's to teach PAF a lesson when PAF have just carried out a raid and shot down their tea boy?

Did Indian destroy anything in balakot?

Indians here and in their media have made many claims about hitting targets or killing ex-amount of people. Yet they could not provide any evidence of that.

Normally when military carries out strikes especially when it wants to show the world what it has done the military makes sure that it has all assets including satellites in place to record this event. Example of this is USA attack on Syria after chemical attacks.

now India is claiming to be the next big thing in space, one must give them credit that they have done great in this area. It claims to have many military satellites and they claim to have resolution of 0.8m.

They could have had their satellites in the right position when carrying out the attacks and they have a record of that attach to show the world. yet none exists.

They could have taken pictures of bodies on ground and them being moved of there being other people in the area.

it either means that their satellites are useless or they are telling a hogwash storey.

this can also apply to their claim of F-16 being shot down. they know where F-16 might have been shot down thus they could have done Arial search for the crash site keeping in mind even if the plane was remove it would still have left marks such as burn marks, disturbed soil and damaged trees. Yet they fail to provide any of that evidence.
 
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This bluster is restricted to Indian netizens and brainwashed populous; not the Indian Military who have a sobering lesson on their minds and aren’t taking at lightly at all.

Which is also why I’ll keep repeating that they are in wartime panic mode of brainstorming with advisors from four different countries to try and get us.
I dunno. From what I have read, the current trend is both of them yelling at each other, accusations of incompetance.
The Indians saw PAF penetrate their heaviest and most modern AD region. Supplied by certain colony in the ME.
 
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In regards to their claim of F-16 being shot down and AIM-120 C. Well it only requires logical approach to see how absurd they are in their claim. So it might be easier to work this out in simple way.

Indian claim:
AIM-120C was found at the scene of dog fight and they further claim that 4 AIM-120C were fired.
Only thing AIM-120C shows that the there fired at some Indian Plane.
Why would F-16 be this close to the border when it can effectively be anywhere up to 80+km away and yet still engage targets. Especially when they are claiming that BVR was used, why would F-16 use BVR and not WVR.

Their egos are hurt and they are trying to justify their existence. They were ranting their superiority for close to 2 decades, especially since they inducted SU-30 MKI. I have been hearing about their super duper MKI since 2003.

They again fail to explain why didnt they send MKI's to teach PAF a lesson when PAF have just carried out a raid and shot down their tea boy?

What Indians are repeatedly doing destroying their own credibility. Even about Balakot bombing, now they have accepted that their fighters didn't cross the LOC.
They are still lying. The didn't want to accept that they have started the war so now this blatant lie. But it is half way house.
They did cross but didn't go far. DG ISPR said in his PC that they intrude 3/4 km in to Pakistani airspace. That is enough provocation deserving a response, which was delivered in broad day light by PAF. They definitely try to fire Spice 2000 bomb from standing distance, when engaged by PAF. They fired in a hurry and ran back. That's explain bombs missing the targets and destroying trees.
If you dig deep between their lies, you can construct the real picture.
I also think their losses were far greater than just the Mig. They themselves claimed 4 SU 30 were airborne in response to PAF strikes. They also admit 4 AIM-120 were fired. Do they want us to believe all 4 missed their targets!! I doubts F16 or JF17 would fire more than one missile at a jet once they are locked.
There is also news of a Mirage 2000 down too.
If we to suppose that 4 F16 were in the skies, what JF 17 were doing!! They must have fired their missiles too. On what targets except Abhi none done!!
Thus, I am convinced there is much more to come out. Indian losses are greater , it also include Mi17, that definitely was downed by PAF.
No wonder it compelled Modi to say if Rafale were available story would have been different.
He wouldn't have said it, if it was 1 Mig down for one F16. And why they fired their Western Command's chief!!
Huge losses of IAF without shadow of a doubt.
 
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