IAEA, Hypocrisy and Israeli Nukes.

[silko]

We are "The Great Satan". Sounds most important, doesn't it?

So in your view if Iran is a threat to Turkey the U.S. should attack it without Turkey getting its own hands dirty? I thought the experience the Ottomans had in the 19th century - being the "sick man of Europe" relying on "friendly" Europeans to protect its sovereignty - had cured Turks of this sort of thinking. I guess I was wrong. Can't you imagine, if the writer I quoted is right, how Turks may suffer for this in the near future? Think of the devastation of the Kurdish war in S.E. Turkey, but in Istanbul itself - and because Iran will have nukes, Turkey won't dare to lift a finger to stop it.

i meant that USA would back us upp based on NATO! you know, an attack to turkey is an attack on NATO, beside it is a golden opportunity for america to finally take care of iran. and i am not saying that turkey will not help! didnt we help you in the korea war?

 

[silko]

No need to apologise. Unfortunately, worse things are written in this forum (although I appreciate your self-admission in your mistake).

Even if I can agree to your general view, then why you are so concerned with Israel's allegedly nukes? Israel is not taking the advantage and using them to destabilise the Middle East or to interfere in the internal matters of other countries. Why you are not more concerned with Iran's nuclear programme in light of its objectives for regional dominance and its wide support for terror organisations that destabilise their host countries (like Hizbualla in Lebanon).

I agree that eventually Israel should dismantle its WMD programmes, but only when it could be sure than no one in the region would have motivation to eliminate it and might be tempted to develop nuclear weapons. This state of affairs can only be achieved once there would be full normalisation between Israel and all ME countries (including Iran).

Until these desired times, Israel so called nukes are not a threat to anyone, Israel is a responsible country with a stable democratic regime.

you are right, but i just think that if you cant provide me evidence that iran has nuclear bombs i cant consider it a threat, no mather what you say. it just is like that to me! but i do agree, if iran gets nukes it is more of a threat to both turkey and israel!

 

[secularbuster]

First of all let me apologise for Israel's aspiration to survive, I forgot it is a privilege reserved only to Turks and their proteges.

You can visit Turkey with no fear, Israel is a responsible country and never threatened any country with nuclear attack. If you believe that Israel will defend itself from an attack of a big power, then support Israel's efforts for a lasting peace in the Middle East and you would have less reasons to worry about. According to all assessments, Israel is a nuclear weapons state for more than 40 years, and it never used this capabilities to destabilise the Middle East (not that the Arabs need any help with that...).

There are plenty of evidence that Iran developed clandestine nuclear programme in a sole objective to acquire nuclear weapons. You mistakenly do not perceive nuclear Iran as a threat, but it is a threat not just to Israel but to the Middle East and to global stability. Luckily for the world the decision if to stop Iran is not in the hands of Turkey, but in the hands of the US and Israel.

Israel's nukes are 'aspiration to survive' and Iran's possible deterrent is a threat, your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

 

[nirreich]

Israel's nukes are 'aspiration to survive' and Iran's possible deterrent is a threat, your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Still avoiding a simple answer? and on the road avoiding reality and the differences between Israel and Iran? All you need to do is go back and read the replies - you still can read, right (although it seems you are having trouble to understand simple ideas)?

Last time we stopped in your claim that Israel is in its own league, but you did not prove it, What are your evidence?

Come on! Just one more step and I personally would join your thriving country of Bangladesh.

 

[nirreich]

you are right, but i just think that if you cant provide me evidence that iran has nuclear bombs i cant consider it a threat, no mather what you say. it just is like that to me! but i do agree, if iran gets nukes it is more of a threat to both turkey and israel!

I did not say that Iran already has the bomb, I said that it is progressing in that direction, and there are multiple evidence for that - both on its progress and on its intentions. If you want to get into it, I can direct you to IAEA reports.

Nuclear Iran is a threat not just to Israel (Iran is committed to destroy it) and Turkey, it is a threat to stability of the Middle East and the international community.

 

[secularbuster]

Still avoiding a simple answer? and on the road avoiding reality and the differences between Israel and Iran? All you need to do is go back and read the replies - you still can read, right (although it seems you are having trouble to understand simple ideas)?

Last time we stopped in your claim that Israel is in its own league, but you did not prove it, What are your evidence?

Come on! Just one more step and I personally would join your thriving country of Bangladesh.

And you're avoiding the fact, the fact that israel and its masters have a double standard about almost everything, including the nuclear issue.

http://original.antiwar.com/shusseini/2011/05/23/the-absurd-us-stance-on-israels-nukes/

 

[silko]

Still avoiding a simple answer? and on the road avoiding reality and the differences between Israel and Iran? All you need to do is go back and read the replies - you still can read, right (although it seems you are having trouble to understand simple ideas)?

Last time we stopped in your claim that Israel is in its own league, but you did not prove it, What are your evidence?

Come on! Just one more step and I personally would join your thriving country of Bangladesh.

well, turkey also wants nuclear plants, but that doesnt mean we want nuclear bombs! why isn't usa doubting us but iran? you know, this is the questions that makes me wonder if iran will go for it or not. and yes i have read a lot about it in norwegian news, 1.5 year back they wrote that iran could build a nuke in 6 months, it has passed 1.5 year, so by that time they need to have 3 nukes!

 

[TopCat]

I did not say that Iran already has the bomb, I said that it is progressing in that direction, and there are multiple evidence for that - both on its progress and on its intentions. If you want to get into it, I can direct you to IAEA reports.

Nuclear Iran is a threat not just to Israel (Iran is committed to destroy it) and Turkey, it is a threat to stability of the Middle East and the international community.

Israel is the main player for the instatbility of ME. Nuclear armed Iran will stabilise it as it will put a coutnerweight in the east.

Iran is not threat to Turkey neither for Pakistan. I never heard any Turkey's concern.

 

[nirreich]

well, turkey also wants nuclear plants, but that doesnt mean we want nuclear bombs! why isn't usa doubting us but iran? you know, this is the questions that makes me wonder if iran will go for it or not. and yes i have read a lot about it in norwegian news, 1.5 year back they wrote that iran could build a nuke in 6 months, it has passed 1.5 year, so by that time they need to have 3 nukes!

Turkey's nuclear programme was not a clandestine one like Iran's. Recently there were reports that Iran is designing the nuclear warhead itself and bought the materials for this purpose.

A lot of countries like Turkey developed nuclear programme for civilian purposes - energy, scientific research, etc. Unlike Turkey and other countries, Iran did not fully cooperated with the IAEA and explained its activities which do not coincide with a peaceful nuclear programme.

Timeline for nuclear weapons development is quite tentative and change according to the scientific progress. However, according to IAEA reports Iran already masters the entire process of bomb manufacturing and has the necessary materials and it is only a question of decision of the Iranian regime. Once a decision is taken it would take them approximately two years to manufacture their first nuclear bomb.

 

[justanobserver]

Israel is the main player for the instatbility of ME. Nuclear armed Iran will stabilise it as it will put a coutnerweight in the east.

Iran is not threat to Turkey neither for Pakistan. I never heard any Turkey's concern.

Iran doesn't give a crap about Israel. All the hullabaloo is to get some recognition in the Muslim world

Iran's nukes will solely be aimed at the Arabs

 

[nirreich]

Israel is the main player for the instatbility of ME. Nuclear armed Iran will stabilise it as it will put a coutnerweight in the east.

Iran is not threat to Turkey neither for Pakistan. I never heard any Turkey's concern.

Even without nuclear weapons Iran is the main factor behind instability in the Persian Gulf, in Yemen and in Lebanon, and it assists radical regimes such as Syria and Sudan.

Iran with nuclear weapons will be a grave danger not just to ME but to the entire international community.

 

[TopCat]

Still avoiding a simple answer? and on the road avoiding reality and the differences between Israel and Iran?
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Yes we know the difference. Israel is created making millions as refugee. Then again conquered the piece of land that they survived and occupying it for the last 70 years. Millions are getting born in the refugee camps while fanatic jews having cozy living in the home that they left behind. I seen old lady still carrying her home keys while some Jew from Europe is living a comfortable life in her home in Jerusalem.

Yes I know the difference and Iran is the right answer for Israel.

 

[nirreich]

Yes we know the difference. Israel is created making millions as refugee. Then again conquered the piece of land that they survived and occupying it for the last 70 years. Millions are getting born in the refugee camps while fanatic jews having cozy living in the home that they left behind. I seen old lady still carrying her home keys while some Jew from Europe is living a comfortable life in her home in Jerusalem.

Yes I know the difference and Iran is the right answer for Israel.

We won, they lost, deal with it!

Israel will have no problem to deal with Iran too!

 

[TopCat]

We won, they lost, deal with it!

Israel will have no problem to deal with Iran too!

Nope you are dealing with it with the nightmare... Sometimes I wonder how you guys sleep.

 

[nirreich]

Nope you are dealing with it with the nightmare... Sometimes I wonder how you guys sleep.

We sleep quite well, thank you - we are only 7 millions and we managed to defeat the hundreds of millions of people in the impoverished countries of the ME over and over again.

Rest assure we will have the upper hand in the future, while you and your kind continue with your deceiving and screaming, isn't it what you do best?

If you are so concerned about the misfortune of the refugees you are welcome to take them to your home country.

Oh, wait a minute, I forgot: the life conditions in Bangladesh are far worse than in the Palestinian refugee camps!