thats why they will never be the worlds only Super Power, they will at best be 3rd or second best...they dont have what it takes to be the best, guts, balls....
they Can't Nobody can....
Hunt For 6th Generation Fighter Begins Today
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like it matters, gambit its just a High school graduate just like me, and he mops the floor with guys like amakalas on a daily basis ...
like it matters, gambit its just a High school graduate just like me, and he mops the floor with guys like amakalas on a daily basis ...
I suggest you stop making a fool of yourself, it's good advice, take it...
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ok enough; amakalas is valuable asset to PDF; you like it or not. His academic background is reflected in his informative replies & so is the case with Gambit. I have respect them for both but I think its US native blood that wants rather always wants a UniPolar world; but sorry boys this cyber world extends over the physical world manyatimes.
So all you fanboys must show respect to others~~non-US & dont irk world including the cyber world into a global WAR that you have done readily to the actual one!!
So all you fanboys must show respect to others~~non-US & dont irk world including the cyber world into a global WAR that you have done readily to the actual one!!
patience, there is no need to lose your temper. I deal with this because I am in the mood this week. Normally these types of comments would go unnoticed. We are all judged by what we write in here..sois our friend
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Guys, don't get so worked up over this 6th gen crap. After all, the current US 5th gen JSF is now facing long delays, suggesting that China might catch up soon. See below link.
Sky Talk: Yet another F-35 delay reported
November 04, 2010
Yet another F-35 delay reported
Lockheed Martin was supposed to deliver two F-35As to Eglin Air Force Base before the end of the year to begin training pilots, but InsideDefense.com (subscription required) reported late Thursday the Pentagon now wants those planes equipped for further testing and they willb e dispatched to Edwards Air force Base next spring.
Here's an excerpt of their story:
Concerned that production F-35 aircraft are not ready for prime time, the Pentagon is directing six additional months of testing for the first Joint Strike Fighters off the assembly line, a previously unreported development that will delay pilot training until at least the "late summer" of 2011, according to DOD sources.
Vice Adm. David Venlet, program executive officer for the F-35, on Nov. 4 confirmed through a spokesman the latest schedule change for the program, which requires recalibrating target dates for key milestones that were reset in February by Pentagon acquisition executive Ashton Carter as part of an effort to infuse new levels of realism into the program's cost and schedule.
Instead of delivering the first two production aircraft to a training unit at Eglin Air Force Base, FL, this month, as previously planned, the Pentagon is directing JSF prime contractor Lockheed Martin to equip the initial Joint Strike Fighter production variants with testing instrumentation and directing them to Edwards Air Force Base, CA, in April for testing.
"They want to mature the weapon system just a little bit more," said a DOD official.
"We are expecting to deliver the first two LRIP-1 aircraft" -- the first batch of low-rate initial production planes -- "to Edwards Air Force Base in April 2011," said Joe DellaVedova, spokesman for the F-35 Joint Program Office, in an e-mail statement.
At Edwards, the two conventional variants of the F-35A will be flown by test-pilot school aviators who will "burn down risk" by slowly expanding the flight envelope of the new aircraft, said a DOD official.
"It gives the testers an opportunity to do more high-fidelity analysis," said the official. "This was an option that was always on the table."
The goal is to secure an airworthiness certificate for the F-35 by September -- a nine-month delay from the most recent plan -- a step necessary in order to proceed with pilot training, the official said.
Meanwhile, Lockheed in the last two weeks has delayed plans for the first flight of the first JSF production aircraft from the last quarter of 2010 until "spring of 2011," company spokesman John Kent said.
Sky Talk: Yet another F-35 delay reported
November 04, 2010
Yet another F-35 delay reported
Lockheed Martin was supposed to deliver two F-35As to Eglin Air Force Base before the end of the year to begin training pilots, but InsideDefense.com (subscription required) reported late Thursday the Pentagon now wants those planes equipped for further testing and they willb e dispatched to Edwards Air force Base next spring.
Here's an excerpt of their story:
Concerned that production F-35 aircraft are not ready for prime time, the Pentagon is directing six additional months of testing for the first Joint Strike Fighters off the assembly line, a previously unreported development that will delay pilot training until at least the "late summer" of 2011, according to DOD sources.
Vice Adm. David Venlet, program executive officer for the F-35, on Nov. 4 confirmed through a spokesman the latest schedule change for the program, which requires recalibrating target dates for key milestones that were reset in February by Pentagon acquisition executive Ashton Carter as part of an effort to infuse new levels of realism into the program's cost and schedule.
Instead of delivering the first two production aircraft to a training unit at Eglin Air Force Base, FL, this month, as previously planned, the Pentagon is directing JSF prime contractor Lockheed Martin to equip the initial Joint Strike Fighter production variants with testing instrumentation and directing them to Edwards Air Force Base, CA, in April for testing.
"They want to mature the weapon system just a little bit more," said a DOD official.
"We are expecting to deliver the first two LRIP-1 aircraft" -- the first batch of low-rate initial production planes -- "to Edwards Air Force Base in April 2011," said Joe DellaVedova, spokesman for the F-35 Joint Program Office, in an e-mail statement.
At Edwards, the two conventional variants of the F-35A will be flown by test-pilot school aviators who will "burn down risk" by slowly expanding the flight envelope of the new aircraft, said a DOD official.
"It gives the testers an opportunity to do more high-fidelity analysis," said the official. "This was an option that was always on the table."
The goal is to secure an airworthiness certificate for the F-35 by September -- a nine-month delay from the most recent plan -- a step necessary in order to proceed with pilot training, the official said.
Meanwhile, Lockheed in the last two weeks has delayed plans for the first flight of the first JSF production aircraft from the last quarter of 2010 until "spring of 2011," company spokesman John Kent said.
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Yeah but Obama just ended production of F22. Meaning that the USA is going to have to rely more on the failed F-35
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Yeah but Obama just ended production of F22. Meaning that the USA is going to have to rely more on the failed F-35
They decided not to produce it further due to higher costs due to high specification and much more advanced equipment.
Thats why they chose F-35 as replacement. They have orders coming from Japan, Israel and few European countries... You mean to say they are putting billions on a failed fighter.???
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They decided not to produce it further due to higher costs due to high specification and much more advanced equipment.
Thats why they chose F-35 as replacement. They have orders coming from Japan, Israel and few European countries... You mean to say they are putting billions on a failed fighter.???
If it isn't failed why has it seen so many delays?
According to US Defense Dpt. plan, the fighter should already undergone IOC now. But the delays clearly shows that the fighter doesn't fulfill their requirements as much as the F-22, which is 3 times more better.
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Yeah but Obama just ended production of F22. Meaning that the USA is going to have to rely more on the failed F-35
How can u Conclude F 35 is a Failed Fighter ????
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If it isn't failed why has it seen so many delays?
Delays in what?? There is some delay regarding the new powerful engine as seen in news last month but it was cleared and the fighters are believed to start on series of production by early 2011 and and with orders coming all over it will be on series production..
I dont know whether you consider it as a failure but people who knows about fighters here have voted it next to the raptor..
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If it isn't failed why has it seen so many delays?
DO WE CALCULATE TIME ISSUE WITH SUCCESS?
F-35 WILL BE A SUCCESS LIKE F-22.
DELAYS DON'T DECIDE FAILURES.
DO WE CALCULATE TIME ISSUE WITH SUCCESS?
F-35 WILL BE A SUCCESS LIKE F-22.
DELAYS DON'T DECIDE FAILURES.
Yes they do. I don't think you can wait for something forever.
imagine an airforce receiving the F16 now for the first time, after 20 years of delays and trials. A good plane yes, but already outdated.
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These delays are not because there are major problems. What happens is this... the cycle for a new, specific, individual technology to become molded into an operational form (a new black box), THEN integrated into a system like the F-35, can be lengthy.
In WW2, you simply added whatever item you wanted to an airframe. Today, everything in a jet is integrated, and a new capability can't simply be bolted on.
Let's say DOD scientists say "We have this really cool device that can spoof an IRST system." The word makes its way up to those in power. They investigate. "We MUST have this on the F-35!!" The F-35 engineers now need to help develop, install, and test the device or capability into an airframe that is highly integrated, with all components communicating with each other. The new system affects all the other systems on the software bus. Compatibilities must be checked. While this is going on, ANOTHER "must have" capability is developed. The procedure repeats. Budgets get rehashed and trashed.
But what comes out at the other end is a superior product. If the PAK-FA is rushed, it will not reach its potential.
The same thing happened to the F-22. Expected IOC was pushed back, and back. If it was forced, and deployed in 1996, it would be substandard to what we have today.
In WW2, you simply added whatever item you wanted to an airframe. Today, everything in a jet is integrated, and a new capability can't simply be bolted on.
Let's say DOD scientists say "We have this really cool device that can spoof an IRST system." The word makes its way up to those in power. They investigate. "We MUST have this on the F-35!!" The F-35 engineers now need to help develop, install, and test the device or capability into an airframe that is highly integrated, with all components communicating with each other. The new system affects all the other systems on the software bus. Compatibilities must be checked. While this is going on, ANOTHER "must have" capability is developed. The procedure repeats. Budgets get rehashed and trashed.
But what comes out at the other end is a superior product. If the PAK-FA is rushed, it will not reach its potential.
The same thing happened to the F-22. Expected IOC was pushed back, and back. If it was forced, and deployed in 1996, it would be substandard to what we have today.
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