How 'one country, two systems' ensures Hong Kong's prosperity and stability

[Edison Chen]

@Chinese-Dragon Have you seen this video before, haha, 4:26 or maybe 7:00 Taiwanese style talking.

 

[terranMarine]

Thanks for sharing, Mandarin is Taiwan's official language, but we mainland Chinese have different accent, they are too soft, and too women. We in mainland make fun of their(Taiwan) accent.



There is always some reason. Some Taiwanese in the US separate themselves with us mainland Chinese, they thought they are better than us, they have democracy, they don't want to be grouped together with us, especially the younger ones, the elders have more feeling to mainland China. Even the Taiwanese guys in the TV show says "Chinese can't even afford tea boiled eggs" "Chinese can't afford dumplings" I've met a Taiwan girl in the US before, she feels very uncomfortable when Americans "mistakenly" thought I and her are both Chinese, and she intermediately made a clarification that she is not. LOL.

I do think TW's mandarin is more crisp compared to for example Beijing Mandarin. Guangzhou's mandarin also sounds different in comparison with the Northerners.

some Taiwanese feel embarrassed to be addressed as Mainland Chinese.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Thanks for sharing, Mandarin is Taiwan's official language, but we mainland Chinese have different accent, they are too soft, and too women. We in mainland make fun of their(Taiwan) accent.

There is always some reason. Some Taiwanese in the US separate themselves with us mainland Chinese, they thought they are better than us, they have democracy, they don't want to be grouped together with us, especially the younger ones, the elders have more feeling to mainland China. Even the Taiwanese guys in the TV show says "Chinese can't even afford tea boiled eggs" "Chinese can't afford dumplings" I've met a Taiwan girl in the US before, she feels very uncomfortable when Americans "mistakenly" thought I and her are both Chinese, and she intermediately made a clarification that she is not. LOL.

I like the Beijing Mandarin accent the most, with the rolling "r" sound.

Though it's harder for us to speak like that in Hong Kong, since Cantonese has no "r" sound. We don't have an "sh" sound either, lol.

Though the standard pronunciation is probably the best overall. Certainly the easiest to understand.

 

[Edison Chen]

I do think TW's mandarin is more crisp compared to for example Beijing Mandarin. Guangzhou's mandarin also sounds different in comparison with the Northerners.

some Taiwanese feel embarrassed to be addressed as Mainland Chinese.

Chinese : 你知道吗？ Taiwan Chinese : 你造吗？
Chinese : 我喜欢你！ Taiwan Chinese : 我选你！

 

[Kolaps]

Saw this magazine in Taiwan.

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Do you believe what DPP and US controlled media propaganda say?

In free market economy, it's a very normal thing. How many huge mainland companies owned by US, Japan, Taiwan, etc?

 

[Edison Chen]

I like the Beijing Mandarin accent the most, with the rolling "r" sound.

Though it's harder for us to speak like that in Hong Kong, since Cantonese has no "r" sound. We don't have an "sh" sound either, lol.

Though the standard pronunciation is probably the best overall. Certainly the easiest to understand.

HK way of speaking Mandarin is no different from South Chinese provinces, it's very common. It's too harsh for people in different part of China to speak strictly standard Mandarin I think.

 

[terranMarine]

Chinese : 你知道吗？ Taiwan Chinese : 你造吗？
Chinese : 我喜欢你！ Taiwan Chinese : 我轩你！

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

Well, nowadays when people say "Chinese", they do not necessarily mean ethnic Chinese. What they often mean is a Chinese citizen.

For example, Lee Kuan Yew (the founder of Singapore), is ethnically Chinese. But he is in fact a Singaporean.

Similar to Gary Locke. If you asked him what he is, he would say he is an American. (Though he is also ethnic Chinese).

As a Hong Konger, I am a PRC citizen. Though I also consider Taiwanese to be Chinese nationals (though not officially citizens), since they are born and they live within the borders of China, albeit the part administered by the "Republic of China" rather than the PRC.

The ROC government still believes that it is the rightful government of ALL China, so they do the same. Since I was born on "Chinese soil", they would consider me an ROC national, and if I were to visit there I would do so using a different permit from non-Chinese, and my HKSAR passport would not be stamped.

Nationality law of the Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I wouldn't move to Taiwan though, frankly I prefer the weather in places like Northern China.

It's an interesting viewpoint, especially considering you grew up outside of the PRC, but were essentially annexed into the PRC in your lifetime. I wonder if most Chinese (shall I say mainlanders?) share your view of this separation of identity.

To wit, another couple of quick stories that are burned into my memory: when I took one of my first trips to China a few years after Tiananmen, my government minder/tour guide was speaking about China's long history and the unity of its people under the CCP. I asked him what he thought of HK and Taiwan, since they were nominally part of China but outside of the CCP's control. To his credit, he didn't get political, but rather provided a metaphor. He said that when one looks at a map of China, it resembles a chicken, and HK and Taiwan are its feet. He said China would never be able to stand up among the nations of the world until it had restored its feet to the rest of the body, so he was confident that soon those two land masses would be once again under central control. Confidence or prescience?

That always stuck with me, especially because I happened to be in Taiwan when the HK handover took place in 1997. The Taiwanese I knew felt a kind of kinship towards HK as their fellow pseudo-country and were somewhat horrified/terrified/hysterical over what would happen. I asked one of my Taiwanese colleagues what he thought the Chinese policy towards HK would be, and he told me that the CCP didn't have a sophisticated policy, but rather a simple one: destroy HK, and build Shanghai. Having seen developments since then, I'm not yet convinced he was wrong, even if that was an extreme way of putting it. HK continues to do well, but Shanghai seems to be [once again] the favorite son, now. In any case, as you mentioned previously, the attitude towards China of what are now older Taiwanese certainly remains ambivalent, even if the younger generation seems more favorable towards the PRC.

My point in all of this is that I think certain circles in China don't view overseas Chinese as distinctly as you do in terms of citizenship. I wouldn't be surprised if some day, decades from now, China acts to defend the interests of overseas Chinese in places like Indonesia and Malaysia in the same way that Russia has done with Russians in Ukraine.

Interesting times, indeed. It's great to be alive and be able to see the new chapters of history being written.

 

[Aepsilons]

@Chinese-Dragon Have you seen this video before, haha, 4:26 or maybe 7:00 Taiwanese style talking.

The Japanese interpretation was really bad! Funny tho...
Why do Chinese always portray Japanese in that way?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Chinese : 你知道吗？ Taiwan Chinese : 你造吗？
Chinese : 我喜欢你！ Taiwan Chinese : 我选你！

 

[Kolaps]

That reminds me of one time in college. I went to dinner with my Chinese friend, his Chinese girlfriend, and my (female) Taiwanese friend. The Chinese guy and the Taiwanese girl had known each other for years and got along fine. Dinner was going great until the Chinese girl turned to the Taiwanese girl and said, "after dinner, perhaps I'll teach you to speak Mandarin properly."

I don't think I've ever seen such an ugly cat-fight.

Typical mainlander!

Perhaps your female Taiwanese friend came from the south with heavy local accent.

To be honest, Taiwanese in Taipei speak mandarin soundly much better than most mainlanders. From Beijing to inland who heavily influenced by local accent and dialect.

 

[Edison Chen]

The Japanese interpretation was really bad! Funny tho...
Why do Chinese always portray Japanese in that way?

I like the Japanese part, the Taiwan part and the France most.

 

[terranMarine]

I like the Beijing Mandarin accent the most, with the rolling "r" sound.

piece a cake to me the rrrrrrrrrrr sound

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

Typical mainlander!

Perhaps your female Taiwanese friend came from the south with heavy local accent.

To be honest, Taiwanese in Taipei speak mandarin soundly much better than most mainlanders. From Beijing to inland who heavily influenced by local accent and dialect.

Afterwards, that's what my Taiwanese friend (who was fuming) told me, that her Mandarin was far more standard and sophisticated than the Chinese girl's. But as a non-speaker of Mandarin, it is not for me to say.

 

[Aepsilons]

I like the Japanese part, the Taiwan part and the France most.

Afterwards, that's what my Taiwanese friend (who was fuming) told me, that her Mandarin was far more standard and sophisticated than the Chinese girl's. But as a non-speaker of Mandarin, it is not for me to say.

Taiwanese speak an interesting fusion of Mandarin and Hakka , as well. Even the Chinese they write is traditional characters, not simplified as in PRC.