How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat

[Srinivas]

Bhans ki Tang. You Cary on whith it.

Krishna or Shiva is seen as the manifestation of the cosmic soul, human form of the Brahman.

 

[Narashima]

Just Random Article on Goggle. That is it.

that's why you know so much

 

[Parul]

No .....Vishnu and Shiva has equal importance !

If we follow Shaivite teachings they say Shiva is the supreme lord and associate all the attributes of cosmic soul to him. They say he is Devon ka Dev.

If we follow Vaishanva teachings they say Vishnu is the cosmic soul who created all the other GODs. In Gita Krishna says he is the one who created every thing including GODs and he is the cosmic soul.

Leave it, don't wish to get into it.

 

[Parul]

that's why you know so much

I don't know, neither wish to know. I just wanted clarification on something, now don't wish too. Mitti Paao.

 

[SQ8]

So from a thread that focused on the dreadful attacks on Muslims by bigoted Hindu extremists to whether Hinduism essentially descends from a monotheistic idea and as a wrench in the system hyperbole.. perhaps something that a prophet of god brought in.

In other words, if I were a Mullah with fake knowledge.. and still bought this theory.. all you Hindus are apostates and liable to be killed for leaving Islam.. if not that.. Ill BAN all of you at the very least.. starting with @he-man

 

[utraash]

I am trying to equate a definition that is preset with that one is trying to squeeze Hinduism in:

A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.

In religious terms, divinity is the state of things that come from a supernatural power or deity, such as a god, or spirit beings, and are therefore regarded as sacred and holy.

Hence when you say divine laws you dont change them and keep calling them divine coz once a comma, full stop or even an explanation mark has been added or removed (which changes the meaning of some words) by a human it is no longer divine

And these are not even my own made definitions!

Thread is about post Godhra incident because if Muslims did do the Godhra incident and are frowned upon then Hindus who did the Gujarat riots went to that level, killing more people and SHOULD ALSO be frowned upon....Not 1 Indian has condemned it! In fact from all the posts its like Muslims did it and Hindus attacked 2x harder so it is justifiable? I even quoted one person going on and on about how Justice was served!

As for going off topic about HInduism....that is because some here started comparing the 2 religions esp with the word Kafir when you guys have Nastik....So my question was what difference do you guys see?

First Muslims kill and Hindus kill = same killing ...doesnt mean its right! If you manage to spew hatred against one why spare the poison against the other? BOTH groups did the same KILLING!

Likewise Both Hinduism and Muslims have believers and non beleivers ( kafir/ Nastik )
So whoever is making a distinction either got it very wrong or is blind to see there isnt any....

Someone does ABC you do ABC too then claim you are different is a little too much pride and ego!

Mam check my first post I condemn the killings coz I believe human life precious..... I even liked your post about something 2 wrong does not make right .... I cannot say about others but what others implying by taking Godhra train burning into account is that post Godhra cases were very spontaneous reaction from majority... Can you imagine any sane mind(Irrespective of religion) would support of killing of innocent(even women n childrens) , answer is big no ......
But here Indians are reacting to those who are vilifying Hinduism under the shadow of post Godhra riots even some desperately comparing it to ISIS ... Don't you see that.... They even not bothered to show any genuine regret instead they were busy in typing a vile paint on Hinduism.... Mam check the history of Hinduism which sheltered all religiously persecuted people in India , Be my guest, I invite you too Navsaari( Small town near Surat) where Parsi people have been living amicably without any trouble for centuries....
Nastik is very different than kafir .... I am requesting you plz open a new thread with all your doubts on Hinduism......
JFYI Hinduism is a very complex system of belief which preaches following Dharma through righteous Karma n ultimately destiny of human soul(Aatma) is to get salvation(soul merging with supreme soul or Paramaatma) by purifying inner self to outer self n which is why people do chose different-2 path(based on their understanding) instead same or common...... Any deviation good for human kind is allowed that's y practicing Hindus of one geographical area different than from any other places ......
Lastly we call BHAGWAN(God) which is house of a soul means human body which is consists of below also called "Panchtatva"......
Bh- Bhumi(Earth)
Aag-Aagni(Fire or Sun)
G- Gagan(Sky)
Wa- Vayu(Air)
N- Neer(Water or Pani)
Sorry cant teach you further here on this thread....

 

[itachiii]

Partition was a result of failed Cripp's mission, thanks to Nehru and Congress. Go read history and then make comments.

2002 gujarat riot started because muslims burnt the train whch is filled by pilgrims of hindu community... get this in to u r brain....and modi had nothing to do wth the the riots..

 

[dray]

let it be said once for all about the godhra train-burning incident ( gujarat 2002 )...

1. it was an accident.

2. the train's passengers were not innocents returning from a picnic... this was a "special" train returning from ayodhya where a decade ago, maddened crowds had demolished babri mosque and initiated riots in india... i am not even talking of the threats the crowds had issued to the female journalists covering the mosque demolishing... the train's passengers were "pilgrims" who had gone to ayodhya to perform rituals at the temple built on the site of the demolished mosque... so, the passengers were indirect criminals, including the females.

3. at godhra train station, during this train's short halt, some of these hinduvaadi passengers had misbehaved with a muslim lady which led to anger among godhra's muslims.

4. the supposed attack on the train, by the muslim crowd, happened when the train was moving and the railway tracks were quite high, sitting on earthern bund.

5. the fire that burnt the train started on the inside... it is very possible that these hinduvaadi passenger families were carrying fuel for cooking food within the train during the long journey from ayodhya.

6. some of the above points were found during when laloo prasad yadav was railway minister later.

i ask the pdf members... why didn't nato invade india in 2002 because real massacre had happened against muslims in gujarat, organized and helped by the state government there... nato invaded libya and syria on fake charges of human rights violations... why is nato and usa government shaking hands with modi when he should have been tried in the international criminal court...

@Jungibaaz @Horus @WebMaster

It was not an accident mate, those 59 Hindu pilgrims including 25 women and 15 children locked themselves in the train compartment on their own and burnt themselves to death with petrol so that innocent and pious Muslims can be blamed for their death.

Please remember that all the bad things Muslims are blamed for around the world are conspiracies/inside jobs/false flag operations of Hindu/Jew/Christian agents of RAW/Mossad/CIA to malign Islam and Muslims. That's a thumb rule for any debate if you are a Muslim, all the best.

@Akheilos @syedali73 You guys should spend more time on training newbies, these are basic knowledge!

 

[utraash]

Neither does Islam....The point someone carried here was that we label people and I was showing you guys too....

Mam I didn't compare two distinct religion..... For comparison I would like to request you to open a new thread where we can discuss all aspects.....

 

[DesiGuy]

It was not an accident mate, those 59 Hindu pilgrims including 25 women and 15 children locked themselves in the train compartment on their own and burnt themselves to death with petrol so that innocent and pious Muslims can be blamed for their death.

Please remember that all the bad things Muslims are blamed for around the world are conspiracies/inside jobs/false flag operations of Hindu/Jew/Christian agents of RAW/Mossad/CIA to malign Islam and Muslims. That's a thumb rule for any debate if you are a Muslim, all the best.

@Akheilos @syedali73 You guys should spend more time on training newbies, these are basic knowledge!

that is why i say don't defend when you don't need to...have a laugh or 2 and move on. That's what these threads deserve.

 

[Ammyy]

So from a thread that focused on the dreadful attacks on Muslims by bigoted Hindu extremists to whether Hinduism essentially descends from a monotheistic idea and as a wrench in the system hyperbole.. perhaps something that a prophet of god brought in.

In other words, if I were a Mullah with fake knowledge.. and still bought this theory.. all you Hindus are apostates and liable to be killed for leaving Islam.. if not that.. Ill BAN all of you at the very least.. starting with @he-man

Then what will you label for bigots who killed innocent children and people in train?

And if you were a Mullah and some one burn your family alive then what will be your reaction to that?

 

[Dubious]

Why would GOD need an angel Gabriel if he is supreme and also powerful can do anything??

Because GOD is GOD and gets HIS ministers to their work otherwise why have some? BUT ALLAH doesnt ask us to ask through the ministers but says ask HIM directly (isnt it better that the voice reaches the highest authority in its original form rather than going through filters?) so my question still stands...Why do Hindus ask the ministers over the king?

The deities in Hinduism are seen a different forms of the same GOD. In Bagavad Gita Krishna says he has created all GODs and he is the supreme soul.

Well if they are of the same GOD then why in different forms/ colours and why does GOD have to come down himself? Esp when he has ministers what use are these ministers if they dont even do their own work and make god come down?

Because the systems change and societies change all the time. There is corruption and crime even in 7th century. Some are not kept out because of Taboos. Todays media is open.

Taboo today was not taboo back then and vice versa....Again was God not far sighted enough to see the change in eras....BIG changes like Sati needed to be taken out...heck who even put it in what was the purpose back in the 7th century for that?

The human spirit survives and explores that too....

How and how can this theory ever be tested?

Nothing is perfect except divine or the holy spirit. The divinity is a relative term.

relative to what?

He achieved the Nirvana and was in harmony with the cosmos, he completed his life term and integrated into Cosmic soul.

Then how and when did he teach?

Well atleast I am putting my thoughts to the best of my knowledge!!

Appreciated to know they are your thoughts and yours alone...The next Hindu will tell me totally different stuff!

Difference is Hindus donot kill for freedom of speech or liberal views !!

It would be true ONLY if you can quote it from your book otherwise it is your personal addition to the religion!

Yes you are correct !! people should read basics and then go for research, But Abrahamic texts do not allow the research and rigid, Dharmic philosophy does.

Where does it say so? Or again your thoughts? Fharmic philosophy didnt allow it you guys forcefully introduced it by claiming its time to change!

Yes how many are practising this ponder??

That is up to them like it is up to you to add and subtract at will

If the beliefs are kept for themselves then it is ok, what about the violence associated with it. There are verses which are brutal on non believers do any one ponder and think of humanity when following them?

MOST verses are addressed with WE the holy WE will punish them which means GOD will punish them not humans

Other verses are starting with O Muhammad do this and that like in Gita oh Arjun fight your cousins! likewise O Muhammad fight the WRONG DOERS....

The only fight prescribed in the Quran FOR human is strive for good

Biology , physics, spirituality meet at the same point if explored, that is the GOD particle from which this entire universe is made both living and non living things. The spark that is guiding them. The research is going in this direction.

No and yes...these fields do converge but not all at once....Each is still a different field!

May be this is the reason religion is fading and science and reasoning is gaining on earth. May be science the new religion !!

Yet we have ethic-less and moraless scientists

Brahmins started deity worship and we have lot of deities and temples

So its like following the Mullah for some Muslims??

 

[SQ8]

Then what will you label for bigots who killed innocent children and people in train?

And if you were a Mullah and some one burn your family alive then what will be your reaction to that?

I would find those bigots and kill them. Not find more innocents to kill if I were a Mullah. If I was a sensible citizen I would go to the government and use the system. Not butcher a thousand people for 30 odd ones in the name of revenge.. much less justify it.

 

[Dubious]

It was not an accident mate, those 59 Hindu pilgrims including 25 women and 15 children locked themselves in the train compartment on their own and burnt themselves to death with petrol so that innocent and pious Muslims can be blamed for their death.

Please remember that all the bad things Muslims are blamed for around the world are conspiracies/inside jobs/false flag operations of Hindu/Jew/Christian agents of RAW/Mossad/CIA to malign Islam and Muslims. That's a thumb rule for any debate if you are a Muslim, all the best.

@Akheilos @syedali73 You guys should spend more time on training newbies, these are basic knowledge!

Stop being over emotional and creating a drama....Millions of questions also arise when a Christian is killed or trialed in Pakistan...How do you think threads and knowledge about minorities plight in Pakistan reaches you?

 

[Dubious]

Mam I didn't compare two distinct religion..... For comparison I would like to request you to open a new thread where we can discuss all aspects.....

Only reason I compare is to show you people how easy it is to misunderstand something you dont know! Not to pick a fight or anything else