How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat

[Dubious]

The supreme power is Cosmic soul !!

For people's understanding manifestation of this cosmic soul is being done !!

I am talking about the evolution, todays Hindus have many GODs and a supreme GOD(cosmic soul).

why do they need many when they have 1 supreme? Dont you know kings have ministers but when you can ask the king why go through the ministers?

 

[Dubious]

may be this will help you.
nastik=atheist
so muslims are not nastik.

ok that I can understand...so what are Muslims then?

 

[syedali73]

Thread is about post Godhra incident because if Muslims did do the Godhra incident and are frowned upon then Hindus who did the Gujarat riots went to that level, killing more people and SHOULD ALSO be frowned upon....Not 1 Indian has condemned it! In fact from all the posts its like Muslims did it and Hindus attacked 2x harder so it is justifiable? I even quoted one person going on and on about how Justice was served!

Hindutva terrorists/terrorist apologists version of story starts from the Godhra train burning whereas Babri Mosque demolition happened before that, in 1992. If 2002 Gujrat riots were justifiable based on Godhra train burning, Godhra incident was justifiable based on Babri mosque demolition saga and the riots that followed it (almost 2000 deaths, mainly Muslims). Besides, Benerjee commission report acquitted the Muslims from Godhra train burning incident but the report was challenged in the High Court, which quelled the conclusions of Banerjee and even prevented the report from being tabled in the Parliament.

 

[Narashima]

ok that I can understand...so what are Muslims then?

muslims are muslims, they are not hindus.

 

[Dubious]

I think you are misunderstanding Hinduism, The Concepts, Philosophy and Beliefs are rigid and very clear with some minor variations.

But the practices to reach GOD are multiple, this where the chaos exists, each one having their own diety and worshipping the same cosmic soul.

Now let me pick up this same example I just gave in my previous post...

If there is a king (supreme) god then why go have individual gods (ministers) ? Is the supreme not enough? If so why is HE supreme?

The laws are brutal and are from middle ages when humans have no awareness. Today's laws and Judgement gives emphasis on change in the criminal's nature.

Why didnt god's law cater for everyone? Did god of Vedas have no idea that people will advance?

Today's laws and judgement are based on today's corrupt societies....Some laws maybe good but still we have people making deals with DA and are back on the street or get their past expunged! We have drug dealers giving off bribes and still managing to "kill" people due to their drugs...much worse than back then, no?

I have explained it, read it !!

If you think so...

No one has decoded GOD until now, just obeyed him or explored the truth at their will !!

The Giant particle collider which is experimenting on GOD particle or strings or Cosmic soul if the scientists are successful then we know the cosmic soul (GOD) better only If GOD allows humans to decode him !!

Yea Hinduism being ancient hasnt managed....Well that would only hold true if GOD was something measurable or cosmic....what if GOD is above that?

The divinity in us is indestructible, pure and unborn, part of the cosmic soul i.e Atman.

But the vessel it is residing (human body, Vedas consider it as a prison for Atman ) is imperfect and is in MAYA (desires, emotions( anger,greed,joy, happiness) etc...etc)

We have some similar concepts but not really imperfect ....We are perfect when we follow the laws when we dont we are like any other matter in a state of chaos when we divert from the path...

Vedas teach humans to get out of this MAYA, stop feeding the human body to satisfy its desires and emotions and realize that you are the Atman.

Every religion does...

The whole MAYA thing (i.e) why GOD has designed and playing is not known, unless we decode or know more about GOD.

Or we come up with a better concept like its a test rather than a "play time"

Dharmic philosophy says, Realize the Atman and try to get Moksha by getting rid of Samsara cycle(birth,suffering,death), this is what Buddha did, that is making oneself in harmony with the cosmos.

Did he become an aatma/ soul? Then how did he manage to teach when he became Cosmos??

Yeah ..... humble to the extent, doing insane things and stupid things based on some texts and their misinterpretation.

Everyone does that...Look at PDF for instance everyone is ever ready to pick a fight with me if I even question about Hinduism...For your understanding its the confused emotional reflexes which makes people react when they have no knowledge ...Like people dont know me why I question but their immediate response is to reply back harshly, EVEN misinterpretation what I said based on their thinking...This is online with random people so imagine how real life....where the misinformed who doesnt know misinterprets?!

Dignity in the sense do not be bookish and be rigid but realize and think, and try to evolve not physically but spiritually !!

Realization and thinking only comes in AFTER you have read something or have basic knowledge....Being a bio student all my life I cant think of advanced quantum physics without reading the basics from SOMEWHERE (a book)....If anyone claims otherwise that they MAGICALLY can understand quantum physics without the need for any background knowledge is a pure liar!

Dharmic philosophy teaches to question, Abrahamic faiths I find are rigid and bookish.

Well I cant speak for the other two as I have not studied them in details...But I CAN point out AT LEAST 5 verses where it says ponder (I wrote at least 5 coz I dont remember the real number but I know there are more than 5)

Regarding following the good path, Hinduism also teaches about the GOD testing humans etc...etc..., every religion does that.
This entire system is designed by GOD and Humans who are spiritual rebels or scientific rebels are trying to decode and get mastery over this system. Progress still needs to be made, check out my lines regarding particle collider, the sooner we get the answers the sooner science can answer "what is life??".

Like Matrix movie , just an analogy !!

How sure are you particle collider is the answer to all? Bad analogy coz being a biologist that movie made no sense t me...

Reason why vedas are considered as philosophy not science, some observations are done spiritually thousands of years ago.
Times change systems change and the associated laws change.

When god sent vedas (since they are divine they have to be from god) did he not realize how humans and societies and eras will change?

Vedas are not adjustable nor changeable , Most of the deity worshippers recite the Vedic mantras But the practices and culture associated with worship differ.

Why so? Are they not satisfied with what is in the vedas with what god bestowed?

 

[Dubious]

muslims are muslims, they are not hindus.

Then why Indians go all haywire and keep bringing up the term Kafir? You guys call non believers as Nastik too...so you keep a difference between you and them!

 

[Dubious]

Hindutva terrorists/terrorist apologists version of story starts from the Godhra train burning whereas Babri Mosque demolition happened before that, in 1992. If 2002 Gujrat riots were justifiable based on Godhra train burning, Godhra incident was justifiable based on Babri mosque demolition saga and the riots that followed it (almost 2000 deaths, mainly Muslims). Besides, Benerjee commission report acquitted the Muslims from Godhra train burning incident but the report was challenged in the High Court, which quelled the conclusions of Banerjee and even prevented the report from being tabled in the Parliament.

Thats what I wrote in 1 of my posts...If Gujarat riots are ustice for Godhra train then there will be some who will do justice for Gujarat train when will it end? It will keep going on and each is the same....Coz Hindus do the same as Muslims did so there is such thing as we are different or better or 1 is justice over the other...A wrong is a wrong wonder when people will understand that!

 

[Narashima]

Then why Indians go all haywire and keep bringing up the term Kafir? You guys call non believers as Nastik too...so you keep a difference between you and them!

because we are one
Nastiks doesn't believe in some supernatural power and by that definition i am also a nastik.
muslims are part of abrahamic religion which is different than dharmic one's.

 

[Dubious]

because we are one
Nastiks doesn't believe in some supernatural power and by that definition i am also a nastik.
muslims are part of abrahamic religion which is different than dharmic one's.

This part I know just dont get this Nastik Astik thing

Besides I am out of here.....

Thanks!

 

[jamahir]

850 million? Ok you mean the Hindus only. Man you are great. The number is around 950 million now. Eliminating them will take some time though.

i meant all useless males... including those like @mujhaidind... 850 million was just a conservative estimate... it may really be 950 million, as you said... less than ten million of those can be categorized as real men.

 

[Narashima]

i meant all useless males... including those like @mujhaidind... 850 million was just a conservative estimate... it may really be 950 million, as you said... less than ten million of those can be categorized as real men.

just one question.
Do you belong to the category of those real men?

 

[itachiii]

For the first time in the history, terrorists have access to the nuclear arsenal.

are u referring to pakistan ??

 

[syedali73]

are u referring to pakistan ??

Last I remember, it was Modi (now the PM of India) who was involved in Muslim's massacre in Gujrat and not Nawaz.

 

[itachiii]

Then why Indians go all haywire and keep bringing up the term Kafir? You guys call non believers as Nastik too...so you keep a difference between you and them!

nastik is referred to those who doesnt believe in the existence of god... whereas kafir is used by u people in order to refer those who doesn't believe in your faith and in u r perception of god. there is clearly a big diff btwn both.. moreover , no hindu text or any hindu called for killing/elimination of nastiks..

 

[Srinivas]

Now let me pick up this same example I just gave in my previous post...

If there is a king (supreme) god then why go have individual gods (ministers) ? Is the supreme not enough? If so why is HE supreme?

Why would GOD need an angel Gabriel if he is supreme and also powerful can do anything??

The deities in Hinduism are seen a different forms of the same GOD. In Bagavad Gita Krishna says he has created all GODs and he is the supreme soul.

Why didnt god's law cater for everyone? Did god of Vedas have no idea that people will advance?

Today's laws and judgement are based on today's corrupt societies....Some laws maybe good but still we have people making deals with DA and are back on the street or get their past expunged! We have drug dealers giving off bribes and still managing to "kill" people due to their drugs...much worse than back then, no?

Because the systems change and societies change all the time. There is corruption and crime even in 7th century. Some are not kept out because of Taboos. Todays media is open.

If you think so...

Which part I have to elaborate??

Yea Hinduism being ancient hasnt managed....Well that would only hold true if GOD was something measurable or cosmic....what if GOD is above that?

The human spirit survives and explores that too....

We have some similar concepts but not really imperfect ....We are perfect when we follow the laws when we dont we are like any other matter in a state of chaos when we divert from the path...

Nothing is perfect except divine or the holy spirit. The divinity is a relative term.

Every religion does...
Or we come up with a better concept like its a test rather than a "play time"
Did he become an aatma/ soul? Then how did he manage to teach when he became Cosmos??

He achieved the Nirvana and was in harmony with the cosmos, he completed his life term and integrated into Cosmic soul.

Everyone does that...Look at PDF for instance everyone is ever ready to pick a fight with me if I even question about Hinduism...For your understanding its the confused emotional reflexes which makes people react when they have no knowledge ...Like people dont know me why I question but their immediate response is to reply back harshly, EVEN misinterpretation what I said based on their thinking...This is online with random people so imagine how real life....where the misinformed who doesnt know misinterprets?!

Well atleast I am putting my thoughts to the best of my knowledge!!

Difference is Hindus donot kill for freedom of speech or liberal views !!

Realization and thinking only comes in AFTER you have read something or have basic knowledge....Being a bio student all my life I cant think of advanced quantum physics without reading the basics from SOMEWHERE (a book)....If anyone claims otherwise that they MAGICALLY can understand quantum physics without the need for any background knowledge is a pure liar!

Yes you are correct !! people should read basics and then go for research, But Abrahamic texts do not allow the research and rigid, Dharmic philosophy does.

Well I cant speak for the other two as I have not studied them in details...But I CAN point out AT LEAST 5 verses where it says ponder (I wrote at least 5 coz I dont remember the real number but I know there are more than 5)

Yes how many are practising this ponder??

If the beliefs are kept for themselves then it is ok, what about the violence associated with it. There are verses which are brutal on non believers do any one ponder and think of humanity when following them?

How sure are you particle collider is the answer to all? Bad analogy coz being a biologist that movie made no sense t me...

Biology , physics, spirituality meet at the same point if explored, that is the GOD particle from which this entire universe is made both living and non living things. The spark that is guiding them. The research is going in this direction.

When god sent vedas (since they are divine they have to be from god) did he not realize how humans and societies and eras will change?

May be this is the reason religion is fading and science and reasoning is gaining on earth. May be science the new religion !!

Why so? Are they not satisfied with what is in the vedas with what god bestowed?

Brahmins started deity worship and we have lot of deities and temples