How different a Bengali Muslim is from a Pakistani Muslim?

[MultaniGuy]

I've never seen that at any wedding from any Pakistani ethnicity, and I'm talking about hundreds of events.

I have never seen that happening either. I have attended thousands of Pakistani parties, and I never experienced this.

This @doorster is lying.

touching the feet is not in our culture. That is not how we greet people.

 

[doorstar]

I've never seen that at any wedding from any Pakistani ethnicity, and I'm talking about hundreds of events.

It was at the doorstep of the brides house, groom bent down and touched Mother in Law's feet, perhapse you are correct since that was my first and only invite. It was 1983, It may have been a custom then or the groom may have seen it and copied from a movie or some thing like that. BTW they were also dressed like Indians at nikah ceremony

 

[MultaniGuy]

Pakistanis neve

It was at the doorstep of the brides house, groom bent down and touched Mother in Law's feet, perhapse you are correct since that was my first and only invite. It was 1983, It may have been a custom then or the groom may have seen it and copied from a movie or some thing like that. BTW they were also dressed like Indians at nikah ceremony

Pakistanis never dress like Indians during wedding or Shaadi.

 

[waz]

It was at the doorstep of the brides house, groom bent down and touched Mother in Law's feet, perhapse you are correct since that was my first and only invite. It was 1983, It may have been a custom then or the groom may have seen it and copied from a movie or some thing like that. BTW they were also dressed like Indians at nikah ceremony

Could have been a copied move.

 

[doorstar]

I have never seen that happening either. I have attended thousands of Pakistani parties, and I never experienced this.

This @doorster is lying.

touching the feet is not in our culture. That is not how we greet people.

Read your hadees book by Abu Dawud, Book 41: Hadees 5206
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...s-touching-feet-Islamic&p=5367786#post5367786

Pakistanis never dress like Indians during wedding or Shaadi.

if you say so it must be true except for them looking like this
https://www.google.com/search?q=pak...hsXbAhXBJcAKHcy8D3kQ_AUICigB&biw=1200&bih=614

instead of something like this

Could have been a copied move.

Thanks

 

[MultaniGuy]

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...s-touching-feet-Islamic&p=5367786#post5367786
if you say so it must be true except for them looking like this
https://www.google.com/search?q=pak...hsXbAhXBJcAKHcy8D3kQ_AUICigB&biw=1200&bih=614

instead of something like this

Thanks

My mother wore a yellow wedding dress on her Shaadi. Not everyone wears Red.

Secondly I have seen the pakpassion forum. A lot of it is nonsense.

Nobody in my Pakistani community touches the feet as a way of greeting.

Stop making things up just because Pakistanis are exotic to Europeans. LOL!

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...s-touching-feet-Islamic&p=5367786#post5367786
if you say so it must be true except for them looking like this
https://www.google.com/search?q=pak...hsXbAhXBJcAKHcy8D3kQ_AUICigB&biw=1200&bih=614

instead of something like this

Thanks

lol i can see what you searched. you searched "pakistani hindulike dresses"

It clearly shows you had an agenda to malign Pakistanis.

Pakistanis DO NOT DRESS like Hindus.

Here are some examples of a Pakistani wedding:

 

[Brahmanic]

Well, Both are Muslims hence similar/same to us.

What do you think @Panzerfaust 3 brahmin bro ?

 

[Panzerfaust 3]

Well, Both are Muslims hence similar/same to us.

What do you think @Panzerfaust 3 brahmin bro ?

Bengalis have bangali culture and language even their food is different , they don't like Urdu and Punjabi culture
Pakistanis tried to impose their culture on Bengalis before
But I must say culturally they are quite different !

 

[Brahmanic]

Bengalis have bangali culture and language even their food is different , they don't like Urdu and Punjabi culture
Pakistanis tried to impose their culture on Bengalis before
But I must say culturally they are quite different !

Agreed, but both are Muslims and Non Brahmins.

So same/similar.

 

[Panzerfaust 3]

Agreed, but both are Muslims and Non Brahmins.

So same/similar.

Oh yeah we don't care both are similar to us

 

[knight errant]

I've actually read that your average middle class bengali is genetically similar to gujratis with a shift towards burmese. However significant diversity does exist. I'm not really sure if a lot of bengalis know this or not, but in sylhet there are villages where zamindars of the villages are actually descendants of one of Shah Jalal's 360 followers who came from Persia and the Middle east to propagate Islam around the 14th century. As far as I know Shah Jalal stayed a bachelor all his life, but he gave his disciples the permission to marry the local people in the hills of sylhet after converting them to Islam - According to many sources including the book: Rise of Islam and the Bengal Frontier.

My mom's side of the family are descendants of Shah Helim Uddin Chowdhury who was from Yemen. Most of the people from my mom's side of the family including my mom are really fair skinned. My mom herself has been confused as an afgan occasionally by afgans themselves. Albeit, I know that a lot of Yemenis are dark skinned, but I think we got a fair skinned Yemeni in our family. All this is strictly anecdotal however as we don't have any genetic testings to prove it but a log/book in our family home that contains a family tree and ancestors. Our family book itself contains scriptures written in Farsi.

General Osmani is a descendant of Shah Nizamuddin Osmani, a 14th-century associate of Shah Jalal. We know some of Osmani's distant relatives in Canada, some of them actually show arab/persian phenotypes, which includes milk white skin and beautiful eyebrows.

Hell Zubaida Rahman the wife of Tarique Rahman is also sylheti and she looks a bit pathan, I'm sure she's got some afgan influence in her family as she comes from a high class family.

Sorry for late reply. Yeah, most of Bengalis are something like "Gujrati Mid-caste (like Patels) + A bit of Indo Aryan + East Asian according to geneticist Razib Khan. I know the story of Hazrat Shah Jalal and his 360 followers. Maybe some Sylhetis are their descendents, Since they took local wives and their descendents were assimilated into Bengali community, their descendants now will only get traces of Yemeni ancestry likely around 2-3% of whole genome only. And if someone from Sylhet get Y haplogroup like E1b or J1, he is likely a descendent of Hazrat Shah Jalal's companions. I've seen somewhere, some Sylhetis from UK doing a DNA test and posting their results, and all of them looked similar to average Bengalis results, also none of them had any Arab Y haplogroups like E1b or J1.
Fair skin or Afghan look that your mom got is actually very local. Sounds surprising, but Afghans are genetically closer to south Asian according to geneticists. We Bengalis are carrying those traits from at least 7000 years. Also, most of my family members are pretty west Asian looking and are lighter skinned.
Read these articles:
https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018/03/31/the-maturation-of-the-south-asian-genetic-landscape/

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/03/31/292581.article-info

P.S. As for your family book containing Farsi scripture, Persian was the official Language of Bengali sultanate, and Mughal Bengal, so it's not surprising at all. How old is your family book?

 

[SecularNationalist]

Here are my few thoughts based on my research
1)Bengalis are very good muslims when it comes to sectarianism.They do not have any sects within islam like most pakistanis are barevlis,sufis,Wahhabis etc. I guess that,s why it,s difficult to divide them and there is no violence there.
2)They are good nationalists ,they are bengalis first and muslim afterwards.They love bengali language .That,s the main reason we lost east pakistan.
3)Their hygeine,way of eating(table manners) and clothing is far worse than an average pakistani muslim.Sorry if i am offending someone here but thats how i observed them eating and wearing lungis.Well thats just a different culture and cultures are difficult to interpret.No hard feelings here just impartial observation.
4)Overall culturally yes they are very different from us.

 

[Safada]

Here are my few thoughts based on my research
1)Bengalis are very good muslims when it comes to sectarianism.They do not have any sects within islam like most pakistanis are barevlis,sufis,Wahhabis etc. I guess that,s why it,s difficult to divide them and there is no violence there.
2)They are good nationalists ,they are bengalis first and muslim afterwards.They love bengali language .That,s the main reason we lost east pakistan.
3)Their hygeine,way of eating(table manners) and clothing is far worse than an average pakistani muslim.Sorry if i am offending someone here but thats how i observed them eating and wearing lungis.Well thats just a different culture and cultures are difficult to interpret.No hard feelings here just impartial observation.
4)Overall culturally yes they are very different from us.

There is slight divide among the bengalis when it comes to religion. As far as I know sylhetis tend to be more fundamentalist muslims compared to your average non-sylheti. For that reason sylhetis tend to marry only sylhetis because the non-sylhetis are just not muslim enough for us in addition to the language barrier.

Lol at the table manners. The biggest difference is that bengalis like eating rice with their hands, I personally finding it disgusting. However in North America, I've noticed a lot of the bengalis have adopted to eating rice with forks and spoons now.

Sorry for late reply. Yeah, most of Bengalis are something like "Gujrati Mid-caste (like Patels) + A bit of Indo Aryan + East Asian according to geneticist Razib Khan. I know the story of Hazrat Shah Jalal and his 360 followers. Maybe some Sylhetis are their descendents, Since they took local wives and their descendents were assimilated into Bengali community, their descendants now will only get traces of Yemeni ancestry likely around 2-3% of whole genome only. And if someone from Sylhet get Y haplogroup like E1b or J1, he is likely a descendent of Hazrat Shah Jalal's companions. I've seen somewhere, some Sylhetis from UK doing a DNA test and posting their results, and all of them looked similar to average Bengalis results, also none of them had any Arab Y haplogroups like E1b or J1.
Fair skin or Afghan look that your mom got is actually very local. Sounds surprising, but Afghans are genetically closer to south Asian according to geneticists. We Bengalis are carrying those traits from at least 7000 years. Also, most of my family members are pretty west Asian looking and are lighter skinned.
Read these articles:
https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018/03/31/the-maturation-of-the-south-asian-genetic-landscape/

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/03/31/292581.article-info

P.S. As for your family book containing Farsi scripture, Persian was the official Language of Bengali sultanate, and Mughal Bengal, so it's not surprising at all. How old is your family book?

The sample size for the uk sylhetis may have been small, it's not like I'm saying every single sylheti has arab origins or anything, my sylheti father himself is pretty dark coming from a poor family in Moulvibazaar; I for sure know he's got your typical bangla genetic composition. My mom occasionally teases him about his complexion lol. On my paternal side I have sylheti cousins that are dark as Tamils, caramel skin with mongoloid features, as well as a couple of cousins that look persian. The one that looks persian, their mom(my chachi) is a uk sylehti who also looks persian. So yeah a lot of diversity exists indeed.

As far as the family book, I'll have to ask my mom about how far back the book goes.

 

[waz]

Well, Both are Muslims hence similar/same to us.

What do you think @Panzerfaust 3 brahmin bro ?

Your opinion doesn't matter to us.

 

[SecularNationalist]

There is slight divide among the bengalis when it comes to religion. As far as I know sylhetis tend to be more fundamentalist muslims compared to your average non-sylheti. For that reason sylhetis tend to marry only sylhetis because the non-sylhetis are just not muslim enough for us in addition to the language barrier.

Lol at the table manners. The biggest difference is that bengalis like eating rice with their hands, I personally finding it disgusting. However in North America, I've noticed a lot of the bengalis have adopted to eating rice with forks and spoons now.



The sample size for the uk sylhetis may have been small, it's not like I'm saying every single sylheti has arab origins or anything, my sylheti father himself is pretty dark coming from a poor family in Moulvibazaar; I for sure know he's got your typical bangla genetic composition. My mom occasionally teases him about his complexion lol. On my paternal side I have sylheti cousins that are dark as Tamils, caramel skin with mongoloid features, as well as a couple of cousins that look persian. The one that looks persian, their mom(my chachi) is a uk sylehti who also looks persian. So yeah a lot of diversity exists indeed.

As far as the family book, I'll have to ask my mom about how far back the book goes.

Eating with hands even sound less disgusting dude.I saw the eating fish curry in a such a say that the curry was flowing from their hands to forearms and finally on their lungis and legs.