How can Pakistan counter India’s ABM system?

[KS]

How can Pakistan tackle the Indian ABM system ?

--- By coming to terms with the fact that J&K is an integral part of India and accepting the LoC to be the IB.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

How can Pakistan tackle the Indian ABM system ?

--- By coming to terms with the fact that J&K is an integral part of India and accepting the LoC to be the IB.

pretty much... when AD-1 AD-2 and PDV enter the picture then they really have to face this

 

[DARKY]

How can Pakistan tackle the Indian ABM system ?

--- By coming to terms with the fact that J&K is an integral part of India and accepting the LoC to be the IB.

I doubt it.... I don't think our Military Generals would be satisfied with this.... they would go for a bigger yard stick and demand rest of Kashmir aswell..... they can't let their billions of $$ investment in their costly war machine rot with time....

 

[The Deterrent]

I saw whats written in your quote at the earlier post..... In most form DT would take similar amount or greater amount of time in case same missiles are used all depends on the apogee of the missile for both Depressed or normal ballistic trajectory..... now If the motor is powerful enough it would burn the same amount of fuel to reach the apogee height at quicker speed since the density of air would decrease in higher atmosphere..... while the less powerful motor would burn the equal amount of fuel ant still travel relatively slower since the higher density of air..... hence more time taken..... now the path from the apogee is where higher potential energy would convert into higher kinetic energy since the mass is same hence the higher projectile would have higher velocity..... now the difference is between height of apogee for both cases.... you don't need any source for this... can check yourself (remember the earth is spherical so take it into account.... the rotation can be neglected here since it is SRBM)..... ultimately the warhead with low velocity here would be easier to intercept than the one with higher velocity..... the significant advantage for the DT missile would be that it would escape the eye of extra long range X-band tracking radars which have range in excess of 2000-3000 km.....

Look bro...I'm fed up of explaining this thing over and over again...we are not applying daily life physics here.Your concept of depressed trajectory is weak.You are still sticking to the idea of "short coming of less powerful motors".

Depressed trajectory is an intentional step.It is more advanced than making a BM which follows a normal trajectory.The motor has to be made powerful,so that the missile can achieve greater than hypersonic velocities while flying inside the atmosphere.True,that the speed of a DT missile is lesser than that of a normal one,but the distance traveled by the missile (not the one on ground,which is termed as range) is far lesser than the distance which a normal BM travels.Therefore,the time decrease is not significant.

Please use Uncle Google and research on DTs.

To further strengthen my POV,here is a real-life example.The Russian Iskander Tactical Missile System.

Iskander system is capable of making very sharp maneuvers inside the atmosphere,and is capable of defeating the Tactical ABM systems like Patriot PAC-3 SAM,as clearly stated by Russian President Dmitri Medvedev and FAS.

Other examples include Indian Shaurya missile (your very own),American UGM-96 Trident I SLBM etc...

I am still not implying that Ghaznavi is at the standard of Iskander (it should be)...rather I am speculating that Ghaznavi follows a DT with no maneuvering at all.

Actually the heat would not allow any antenna to function.... hence detection of offensive ABM would not be possible.... you can still perform blind maneuvers and hope not to be intercepted... or reach in the range of proximity fuse.

Yes,the "blind" maneuvers are programmed and it is hoped that the warhead will evade ABMs.Since the ABM system does not know where the warhead will be maneuvering next,hence every move is new for it.So the "blind" maneuvers work perfectly well.

yes It is pre-programmed.... and inputs are added in mid flight if necessary.... the GPS thing which you mentioned is one such input... artificial intelligence does all that on its own... just attach a laptop and feed the target into missile and forget it.... it makes it a kind of fire and forget system.

I don't know what exactly are you talking about.All operational/deployed Ballistic missiles are fire and forget.Unless the system is being tested (self-destruct commands),or new target(s) are assigned in mid-course (e.g. Iskander),or an intentional abort order is given (without any sign of malfunction) so that the missile is stopped from hitting its target.
The missile itself obtains co-ordinates from GPS etc,then corrects the errors in INS to achieve dead accuracy.If thats AI,our missiles have it too.
The missile health monitoring system etc is not there in our missiles.They are good for ICBMs.

The The laser ring gyroscopes and accelerometer are new technologies which are finding its place in newer ballistic missiles like DF-21D, DF-31, DF-41, Bulava, Agni III etc.... It was not there in earlier BMs.... rather normal qyros were used to keep the nose on path.

I suppose only Agni-III,Shaurya and ASM-135 ASAT have laser-ring gyroscopes for INS.Kindly state the links for DF-21D, DF-31, DF-41, Bulava having laser ring gyroscopes.
Yes,it is a new technology,and our missiles don't have it.They simply rely on Gimballed Gyrostabilized Platforms (only a speculation),and might update it with inputs from GPS/Beidou (in future COMPASS) to remove errors.

The path can be corrected in outer space aswell haven't you seen satellites correcting their path.... or the manned missions.... etc.... how would these things operate in space if they could not correct or alter their path.... space is full of surprise elements and unknown threads which popup all of a sudden.... In case just to remind you Rocket fuel does not require any air.

I didn't say anywhere that exo-atmospheric corrections can't be made.Maybe you misunderstood me.
Anyway,Shaheen-II uses side thrusters as well as a flexible Hydrazine-based motor to correct (or disturb ) its path in space...

Dude rocket fuel doesn't requires any air,even within the atmosphere.All missiles (liquid,solid,both fueled) have oxidizer and fuel inside the missile.

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New systems like Agni III, Agni IIP, Shaurya, DF-21 (later models).... etc... etc... Brahmos and Prahaar are two different things..... yes it would cost a little but that is necessary and you can't live on those preemptive concepts for long by the time your money comes.... the 2nd phase of BMD would be operational.... so its better to start now.... rather than wasting the same money on older concepts.... and unnecessary nukes.... one capable is better than 100 in incapables.

Better to start now?...how do you know that we aren't developing new systems already?

P.S I know a mixed up DT with quasi-ballistic missile and cruise missile...Here is how I see them.

1. Normal BM = exits and then re-enters atmosphere (e.g. Shaheen-I,Agni-I,Ghauri etc)
2. DT BM = follows a low apogee but still parabolic and ballistic trajectory.Remains inside atmosphere throughout the flight (for SRBM) and reenters (for IRBM).(e.g. Trident SLBM,Ghaznavi etc)
3. Quasi-Ballistic missile = add some maneuvering to DT BM (e.g. Nasr,LORA etc)
4. Solid-fueled cruise missile = maintain the altitude of the maneuvering DT BM (e.g. Shaurya,Iskander etc)

 

[The Deterrent]

indian ABM?it just is a joke, why should pakistan counter a joke?

How can Pakistan tackle the Indian ABM system ?

--- By coming to terms with the fact that J&K is an integral part of India and accepting the LoC to be the IB.

Stop trolling !

 

[Developereo]

To all.... PLEASE LIMIT THIS TO BM AND ABM DISCUSSION.... don't bring your unnecessary crap here.

I think there are many threads running full time about subs-P8Is-P3C.... and naval wars.

SLBM is a BM.

 

[Storm Force]

The indians will spend $billions on countering ballistic missles over the next decade

I SUGGEST the pakistans do the same SPEND SPEND SPEND $$$

ITS AN ARMS RACE

ULTIMATELY it come down to DOLLARS $$$$44

 

[LiberalAtheist]

once when the entire system is complete with the works like lasers, ABM's, satellites, etc they will have no chance Pakistan will be at a serious disposition and i believe i saw a post concerning Nasr missile a missile like that can be intercepted by the Akash SAM

 

[KS]

Stop trolling !

Its not trolling dude.

I'm just going to the root of the matter skipping un-necessary technicalities.

 

[The Deterrent]

Its not trolling dude.

I'm just going to the root of the matter skipping un-necessary technicalities.

Well in this thread,we have to discuss the "technicalities"...otherwise it would derail pretty soon...

 

[eiffe]

Once fully developed to handle Mirv , only way to counter is to fire hundreds of missiles all at once and hopefuly some will hit

 

[The Deterrent]

once when the entire system is complete with the works like lasers, ABM's, satellites, etc they will have no chance Pakistan will be at a serious disposition and i believe i saw a post concerning Nasr missile a missile like that can be intercepted by the Akash SAM

Your "entire" system is 15-20 years away from being deployed.

Nasr can only be stopped by a pre-emptive strike on the launch vehicle.The reason why it can evade Akash SAM is because of its maneuverability at low altitudes and very short time of flight (probably less than a minute).

Besides,if India starts intercepting Multi-barelled Rockets (hoping that anyone of them could be Nasr),then good luck

 

[eiffe]

Your "entire" system is 15-20 years away from being deployed.

Nasr can only be stopped by a pre-emptive strike on the launch vehicle.The reason why it can evade Akash SAM is because of its maneuverability at low altitudes and very short time of flight (probably less than a minute).

Besides,if India starts intercepting Multi-barelled Rockets (hoping that anyone of them could be Nasr),then good luck

to you your views, to me mine

 

[Developereo]

obviously thats what the swordfish radar we developed with help from the Israelis can do its technologies are similar to the green pine which is one of the worlds most capable anti ballistic radar and the radar will be upgraded to preform even more capably against BM's

Can an ABM system deployed along the Pakistani border counter an SLBM heading for Kolkata from the other coast?

Can India afford the political fallout in asserting that Delhi and Mumbai are more worthy of protection than Kolkata or Bangalore?

Having a substantial SLBM capability will force India to triple or quadruple their ABM expenditure.

 

[The Deterrent]

to you your views, to me mine

Yeah sure...

The reason I gave the timeline of 15-20 years is due to tha Laser BMD,which according to DRDO chief would take that much time for deployment.Hemce the "entire" system is going to take 15-20 yrs.I know other ABMs (AAD,PAD,PDV,AD-1,AD-2) will be deployed earlier...

P.S.....I didn't reply you.I replied PunjabiSidhu.