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Hindutva RSS wing prescription for fair, tall ‘customised’ babies

Except of course the very term "gym" - short for "gymnasium" - comes from Ancient Greece.

Very very ancient.

And if you look at their statues and compare them with modern body builders, I would say they knew much more about how to make a perfectly proportioned male body than we do know.

Look at below.

Who looks better proportioned and more beautiful?

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I guess you missed the main point of my post. It was simple. Modern science and medicine DOES NOT throw away
all the experiences and wisdom from past. It vets them. Nomenclature is a part of it.

BTW, the great thing about modern exercise regime is that it enable a number of folks in different physical conditions to work out with much less risk than those ancient means of workout. It is much harder for a obese person to end-up with a bad knee on a rowing machine than say running on hard surface.
 
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I guess you missed the main point of my post. It was simple. Modern science and medicine DOES NOT throw away
all the experiences and wisdom from past. It vets them. Nomenclature is a part of it.

BTW, the great thing about modern exercise regime is that it enable a number of folks in different physical conditions to work out with much less risk than those ancient means of workout. It is much harder for a obese person to end-up with a bad knee on a rowing machine than say running on hard surface.


Your trust in doctors is more than mine. :-)

I cannot bring myself to forget that medical mistakes is the third largest cause of death after heart disease and cancer.

I believe they are well meaning and doing their best but the "standardized care" they provide is heavily influenced by pharma companies and vested interests.

The whole statin controversy and the continuing lowering of the cholesterol intervention threshold is a good example.

Research has to be funded. The current state of affairs is that most funding comes from vested groups. Pharmas fund research in support of their drugs, agricultural lobby funds research in support of their product and so it goes on.

Very little research is being done on things that no one can make money on like how good is it for you to sit out in the sunlight for 15 minutes everyday.

Please remember that in olden days knee pain was fairly rare except for the very very old....in part because they ate and moved differently to what we do now.

And remember rowing machines and ellipticals, while they have their uses, are repetitive and non functional excercises...leading to an entirely different set of problems with long term use.
 
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Your trust in doctors is more than mine. :-)

I cannot bring myself to forget that medical mistakes is the third largest cause of death after heart disease and cancer.

I believe they are well meaning and doing their best but the "standardized care" they provide is heavily influenced by pharma companies and vested interests.

The whole statin controversy and the continuing lowering of the cholesterol intervention threshold is a good example.

Research has to be funded. The current state of affairs is that most funding comes from vested groups. Pharmas fund research in support of their drugs, agricultural lobby funds research in support of their product and so it goes on.

Very little research is being done on things that no one can make money on like how good is it for you to sit out in the sunlight for 15 minutes everyday.

Please remember that in olden days knee pain was fairly rare except for the very very old....in part because they ate and moved differently to what we do now.

And remember rowing machines and ellipticals, while they have their uses, are repetitive and non functional excercises...leading to an entirely different set of problems with long term use.

I doubt medical mistakes are third highest cause of deaths, at least in America.
http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20160701/top-10-death-causes

Accidents will figure much higher.

I am not saying that medicines are a elixir of life and will cure anyone, there are limits to what they can do. But without medicines more people will die than with medicines -- of things that are totally curable.

My own uncle died because in the village people though he was having 'normal' fever and decided not to consult the hospital, he was having meningitis. His disease was very very much treatable and diagnosable using a simple spine puncture test and antibiotics. Heck, a dog bite can kill you if you do not take right vaccines.

I know of many folks who ditched vaccines, only to have their own loved ones die of septic/titanus even when they did everything right according to their 'grandmother's wisdom'. Heck even in UK, in some places polio is making a come back!

Somewhere in early 1900s it was possible for people to die of Malaria to an extent entire villages were wiped out in rains. Not happens now! We know where Malaria comes from, how to prevent it and how to treat it. My grandfather tells me stories about how his own father lost few of the family members due to Malaria. Does not happen anymore! I believe we have started to take advantages of modern medicine as granted.

I know my own life was saved. I had appendicitis and without a simple surgery, I would have surely died. No amount of 'good lifestyle' can prevent appendicitis. Nor do any amount of 'cure from within'. It needs to be operated.

About rowing machines and elliptical trainers, well, they allow you to train without a risk of injury and people have used them for decades. It is A-OK if you understand the risk you are taking when you do exercise otherwise like mountain hiking or bike riding. We all take risks the moment we venture out of our homes. But, for someone who just wants benefits of exercise without having ability to take that much risk, these modern implements are very helpful. Almost miraculous. We all need around an hour of medium paced exercise to keep away CVD or diabetes etc and these things allow to do that. I do not see any thing wrong with it.

All the modern medicine and science may not be perfect, but the alternative is surely much worse.
 
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I doubt medical mistakes are third highest cause of deaths, at least in America.
http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20160701/top-10-death-causes

Accidents will figure much higher.

I am not saying that medicines are a elixir of life and will cure anyone, there are limits to what they can do. But without medicines more people will die than with medicines -- of things that are totally curable.

My own uncle died because in the village people though he was having 'normal' fever and decided not to consult the hospital, he was having meningitis. His disease was very very much treatable and diagnosable using a simple spine puncture test and antibiotics. Heck, a dog bite can kill you if you do not take right vaccines.

I know of many folks who ditched vaccines, only to have their own loved ones die of septic/titanus even when they did everything right according to their 'grandmother's wisdom'. Heck even in UK, in some places polio is making a come back!

Somewhere in early 1900s it was possible for people to die of Malaria to an extent entire villages were wiped out in rains. Not happens now! We know where Malaria comes from, how to prevent it and how to treat it. My grandfather tells me stories about how his own father lost few of the family members due to Malaria. Does not happen anymore! I believe we have started to take advantages of modern medicine as granted.

I know my own life was saved. I had appendicitis and without a simple surgery, I would have surely died. No amount of 'good lifestyle' can prevent appendicitis. Nor do any amount of 'cure from within'. It needs to be operated.

About rowing machines and elliptical trainers, well, they allow you to train without a risk of injury and people have used them for decades. It is A-OK if you understand the risk you are taking when you do exercise otherwise like mountain hiking or bike riding. We all take risks the moment we venture out of our homes. But, for someone who just wants benefits of exercise without having ability to take that much risk, these modern implements are very helpful. Almost miraculous. We all need around an hour of medium paced exercise to keep away CVD or diabetes etc and these things allow to do that. I do not see any thing wrong with it.

All the modern medicine and science may not be perfect, but the alternative is surely much worse.


I agree with you . we are better off with modern medicine.

Doctors are good technicians and I would want to see a doctor if I ever felt a sharp pain on my side. However, I would do my own research if I ever got am autoimmune disease rather than trust them implicitly in that case.

... doctors only know what they know....

Heres the link to the article in the BMJ.


Medical error - the third leading cause of death in the US.

http://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i2139


Research by John Hopkins University....I believe one of the best, if not THE best teaching hospital in the world.
 
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How fake news about ‘RSS-linked org promising fair babies’ was invented by media
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Byrohitagarwal
Posted on May 8, 2017


On Twitter, this particular news article flashed on my timeline – RSS-Linked Organisation Promises Couples Customised, Fair ‘Super Babies’ – it was published on a website called The Wire. People were already making snide comments about RSS, and Hinduism in general, based on the headline.

Such headlines have become so commonplace, and uniformly misleading when it comes to any organisation or event or practice that is purportedly linked to ‘Hindutva’ – even if its merely about traditional healthcare practices without any religious component per se.

So normally one just sighs and ignores them. But once in a while curiosity is piqued, and you decide to do a little deeper digging to find out if things are actually as bad as they sound. And that’s what I did in this case.

I started with reading the The Wire article in detail, and realised that it was merely a re-hash of an NDTV report and an Indian Express article with zero value addition. I went through both of those too, but didn’t find any additional facts (or claims) – it seemed the Wire had done a good job of copying the essentials faithfully.

The essence of the story was that Arogya Bharti, the “medical wing” of the RSS, has been allowed by the Calcutta Hight Court to “carry out a programme on how to conceive children that would be tall and fair provided it adhered to strict conditions.” This was preceded by pointed out that such aspirations pointed to the racial mindsets (of the conducting organisation and attending parents, one presumes).

Then I started digging. And found the following:-

  1. Neither the websites of RSS, nor of the conducting organisations Arogya Bharti and Garbh Vigyan mentions any direct link between them, let alone of Arogya Bharti being the “medical wing” of the RSS.
  2. RSS annual report also doesn’t mention the activities of either of these organisations.
  3. “Contact Us” pages of both the organisations had mobile numbers left on them. To be doubly sure, I called up on both the numbers, and I was told the same thing (Remember, this is something the “journalists” of the aforementioned publications should have done). Neither of these organisations has any official connection to the RSS.
  4. Dr. Ramesh Gautam, National General Secretary of the Arogya Bharti, honestly conceded that his ideology might match that of the RSS, but there were no financial, managerial, or operational linkages with the RSS whatsoever. “Ours is an autonomous organisation,” he clarified.
  5. Further, he flatly denied that there was any attempt to get ‘taller and fairer’ babies for the Indian parents. Referring to his ideology that won’t allow him to indulge in something like that, he argued, “We worship a dark Krishna and a short Vamana, so how can we think that being dark or short is a handicap?”
  6. He said that the workshop, allowed by the High Court, was only about educating the expecting mothers and families about various activities that can help them have a healthy and gifted child, and was not at all about ‘tall and fair’ children as has been wrongly claimed in the headlines.
  7. Again, assuming that calling up a few people is too much of a work for modern day journalists, let’s go back to the websites. The Garbh Vigyan Kendra website describes the process as involving prenatal diet, yoga, music, behavioural and thinking process for a healthy pregnancy and child. Specific advantages of the program as quoted on its the website are –
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What the website promises to the expecting parents

You can see that there is NO mention of promising prospective “dark-skinned” parents who undergo its workshop and procedures “babies … with fair complexion” or of the babies being “tall” as a result of the program, as was claimed in the articles by the mainstream media publications. So where did this thing come from? The Indian Express quoted someone from Arogya Bharti, which is in conflict with what I was told on phone by the General Secretary of the organisation.

Therefore in a few minutes and after a couple of phone calls, I could figure out that the headline was grossly misleading (I am still giving benefit of doubt to the Indian Express reporter that the quote was not invented, but we know that the media is fully capable of fabricating quotes) and the “RSS-link” was entirely fabricated for sure.

I still wondered whether such a program of prenatal care, involving a spiritual component in addition to the usual dietary and physical ones, was unique to this organisation and thus it was found to be so sensational? So I decided to undertake some further research.

And I found multiple programs from other countries which talk about similar pre-natal programs essentially involving spiritual and physical well-being of the mother during the pregnancy for ensuring a healthier baby, including one being run by the University of Minnesota. There were others from countries like Australia, Canada and South Africa.

So I concluded that anything with even a faint whiff of ‘saffron’ about it has become a taboo for certain sections, to the extent that even innocuous healthcare programs are being deliberately demonised and projected as part of some grand design to turn the country into a nazi-like racist state.

I wonder where it will all lead to.

But on my part, it has made me completely sceptical and unbelieving of anything I read unless I do my own digging and checking – especially when it comes to RSS or any organisation with alleged connections to it. And the result has been opposite of that presumably intended – instead of developing a fear and distrust for such organisations, I am growing to admire the multitude of service they seem to be doing.
 
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This country reminds me of Nazi germany more and more by each passing day
 
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They can use Muslim siemen bank and resort to selective breeding. Very good initiative by India.

They can use Muslim siemen bank and resort to selective breeding. Very good initiative by India.
Low casted male should be barred from mating. That will phase out the weak and unwanted within 2 generation. I myself willing to contribute to this project to help India.
 
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They can use Muslim siemen bank and resort to selective breeding. Very good initiative by India.


Low casted male should be barred from mating. That will phase out the weak and unwanted within 2 generation. I myself willing to contribute to this project to help India.
*Ahem*, The bangladeshi who were not even able to fight their own war of independence are calling themselves, 'superior' ? What kind of joke is this?
 
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Yep. Watch the marchers.....
  • First issue is spindly chicken legs
  • Second issue is early balding (hence the need for topis)
  • Third issue is propensity for tumbly round tummies due to over-dependence on dhaal consumption and resulting round gasbag humpty dumpty condition.
I don't know how you can create superior (much less super) race out of these traits.....

LoL. I could have replied with additional points to the above, but I can feel enough silent butthurt reverberating around the existence of this thread. :rofl:
 
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LOL hindu indians are the most insecure race in history...

i guess thats happens when you have been getting fucked since existance

Aryans are warriors who always stand to defend thier nation and religion.

The "Mithra cult" is actually the ancient religion of the Persians.

Mithraism.

The precursor of Zoroastrianism.

Nothing to do with the European offshoot of the Aryans. Remnants found in some Scandinavian tribes.

Mitra is heavenly and celestial being which is being mentioned in Vedas.

3.59.11
Mitrasya carṣaṇīdhṛto.avo devasya sānasi

3.59.13
Abhi yo mahinā divaṃ mitro babhūva saprathāḥ

3.59.17
Mitro deveṣvāyuṣu janāya vṛktabarhiṣe
 
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That's all you got? :-)

Yawn.....:rolleyes1:

Why would I go into more? Majority of members here already know what your kind is by and large looks-wise....and your inherent attitude to go along with it as well.

Just pointing out the studies results bear witness to it as well. The most disfigured and unhealthy people in subcontinent (from over-rice consumption and lethargy) come from the ganges delta.

So its funny to the rest when they point at any other group to try mock. Just look in a mirror sometime first....that glass house of yours is especially fragile, so dont try chucking (provided you can lift them) stones from it.
 
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