Hillary may push for fighter aircraft deal with India

[Vibs]

Dude,I prefer to get my news from verified websites.That one is a propaganda site.I find it interesting how they were able to figure out electronics on-board a plane that is yet to be received.Spooky eh?maybe they have insiders in Boeing

Ok. Then do a google for Communications Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA) and read everything you find.
The Indian government decided not to sign the Communications Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA), which resulted in the exclusion of high precision GPS and other sensitive equipment from the C-130J in the past. These systems are an integral part of an aircraft design. Besides,in today's world it's not the weapons but the additional systems than go in an aircraft that finally decide the outcome. That's why I am concerned.

 

[muse]

Cute - silly, implausible, but cute - A for effort

 

[INDIAISM]

Dude,the B-2 is currently in junk status.There is a reason why only 20 of them take to the sky.That's why US senators keep pushing for funding for the NGB project.

Umm,Australians and the Israelis tried to acquire the F-22 Raptor and failed.If close allies like them couldn't lay their hands on it,It's a pretty safe bet that we aren't going to get them.

the main why they are not acquiring b2 is that this beast cost 2 billion $ per aircraft and after the end of cold war they didn't find any reason for aquiring 2 billion$ dollar aircraft....

 

[INDIAISM]

Why would India go with F-35, when India has the T-50 project with Russia?

Don't panic we are not going for F 35 any time soon

 

[Bang Galore]

F-35 for the navy would be an excellent idea. The navy can buy a whole lot of them & it need not look like India or the U.S. took a step back. The U.S. has learnt a lesson no matter how they act. India cannot be fobbed off with just about any stuff. In the long run, I think that the elimination of the SH (the F-16 didn't stand a chance) from the MMRCA was probably just about the best thing that happened(ironically, I supported the SH). The Americans didn't really believe that they would simply get shut off like the way they did. That decision probably will result in the U.S. being a lot more accommodating of India's concerns in future. Good for everyone concerned.

 

[INDIAISM]

What an irony other countries find ways so that american govt can allow them too buy American weapons and here our govt and security forces are finding excuses so that they don't need to buy American aircrafts....

 

[Maritimer]

US aircrafts have been rejected for MMRCA. It's time the US got over the shock and be happy with the orders for transport aircrafts and helicopters. F-35 for Indian Navy's second indigenous carrier may be an option for the future.

 

[Markus]

the main why they are not acquiring b2 is that this beast cost 2 billion $ per aircraft and after the end of cold war they didn't find any reason for aquiring 2 billion$ dollar aircraft....

B2 is "US-only" machine given its secret stealth tech, of the same league as F-117 and F-22.

Even if some of the allies do consider spending 2 billion USD on one of those units, still it would not be sold.

It is bcoz of such weapons that gives US a complete edge in the wars that it fights, it cant afford to share such an edge even with its allies.

 

[cyphercide]

Ok. Then do a google for Communications Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA) and read everything you find.
The Indian government decided not to sign the Communications Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA), which resulted in the exclusion of high precision GPS and other sensitive equipment from the C-130J in the past. These systems are an integral part of an aircraft design. Besides,in today's world it's not the weapons but the additional systems than go in an aircraft that finally decide the outcome. That's why I am concerned.

I am aware of what CISMOA is and India's refusal to sign the same.CISMOA forces you to maintain the same datalinks that the NATO and coalition forces use.It has nothing to do with the integral design or critical systems(like radar,jammers etc.)of the aircraft.Since we are not a NATO member and use Russian inventory as well,I don't see the need for us to sign the same.Sensitive material regarding our own communications system would have to be divulged to the Americans for us to enter that MOU.They told us to do it,we told them to sodd off and I am glad that we did.

For the matter,are you aware of India uses its own operational datalink for navigation and reconnaissance? We have would stripped the jet of it's American components in this regard ourselves even if they came fitted with it.How an American GPS system on-board an Indian transport plane will aid India is beyond me.

Anyway,I was asking for a credible source on the retrofitting of the transport carrier so as to consider it downgraded.

 

[Vibs]

I am aware of what CISMOA is and India's refusal to sign the same.CISMOA forces you to maintain the same datalinks that the NATO and coalition forces use.It has nothing to do with the integral design or critical systems(like radar,jammers etc.)of the aircraft.Since we are not a NATO member and use Russian inventory as well,I don't see the need for us to sign the same.Sensitive material regarding our own communications system would have to be divulged to the Americans for us to enter that MOU.They told us to do it,we told them to sodd off and I am glad that we did.

For the matter,are you aware of India uses its own operational datalink for navigation and reconnaissance? We have would stripped the jet of it's American components in this regard ourselves even if they came fitted with it.How an American GPS system on-board an Indian transport plane will aid India is beyond me.

Anyway,I was asking for a credible source on the retrofitting of the transport carrier so as to consider it downgraded.

Not sure what a credible link means. Like I said google that term and you'll come up with links to the Transport carrier deals. That's all I have on that subject so lets not drag this.
The point I was making is that in the absense of these systems,we will have to integrate our own or through our vendors. Israel has been helping us out in this particular domain.But I doubt they will do so if US applies pressure. And that's only part of the package. You are assuming radar systems and EW suite will be included.That's unlikely.

 

[cyphercide]

The B-2 is long dead and gone.They retain it for the time being because there are no current bombers in the US arsenal that could take it's place.The B-2 isn't even being used in Libya.Somewhat like how we hold on to our MIGs even though they've past their expiration date.

 

[Goodperson]

Buy F-35 for N-MRCA, going for F-35 for MMRCA will further delay the acquisition by 2 years.

I dont think India would be even considering F-35 forget about F-35 being part of MMRCA,it was not even considered when the evaluation begin. F-35 is way expensive.
Russia, Sweden and USA are out of MMRCA.

Considering F-35 as part of MMRCA will take 10+ yrs as I don't think any other country has it.

 

[cyphercide]

A credible source as in a news source that you can trust without bias(you came up with the term "credible link").While my opinion rests that you are still making assumptions on this deal without taking into account that not even one Globemaster has been delivered to us yet.How radars and EW systems like jammers come under CISMOA,I still don't get.Lets leave it at "We agree to disagree" on this subject.

 

[INDIAISM]

I dont think India would be even considering F-35 forget about F-35 being part of MMRCA,it was not even considered when the evaluation begin. F-35 is way expensive.
Russia, Sweden and USA are out of MMRCA.

Considering F-35 as part of MMRCA will take 10+ yrs as I don't think any other country has it.

i think their is some confusion here....he was talking about Naval-MRCA competition..under which Indian Navy is going to acquare around 40 aircrafts for its future aircraft carrier...

 

[madooxno9]

F-35 A - US$122 million (flyaway cost, 2011)

F-35B: US$150M (avg. cost, 2011)

F-35C: US$139.5M (avg. cost, 2011)


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Sukhoi T-50 - US$100 million