High rates of Divorce in Pak society and esp in Military class

[MastanKhan]

Hi Everyone @Oscar @Horus @Windjammer @Everyone else

I have recently seen four marriages dissolving and family going into disarray with destruction of family and children. This is all what i have seen in last one year. All have come from our military class and not the high officers class but from relatively decently educated middle grade young officers class. The divorce rates are already astonishingly high in civilian classes and that is all due to the 'faminine revolution' and rules being drafted in legislature giving females unprecedented rights in name of female liberty. Most certainly these females living with young officers are not oppressed, they come from good origins, have good education. They are not like the poor unducated class. This is bizzare and i was distressed with that. In one case, the female not only destroyed the life of the young man but also took away the children and now he has to present himself to court every month to meet his children. In this case, the female's father is a former brigadere and he has concieved several bogus charges against him in addition to divorce ( i say they are bogus, because i know the family for 25 years atleast).

This is all happened when we have embarked on dajjals feminist revolution and started drafting all kind of pro-female legalities and rules changing the balance between male and female as ordained by Allah SWT. I feel shattered to see this. We need to kickstart a campaign to stop this fanatic course of destruction.

Hi,

wow---you are asking this question to young kids---funny so very---.

 

[Desert Fox]

All the more reason to bring back Islamic culture and heritage. We need to ask tough questions to both men and women of our society, do they want to become totally shameless like the West, or to recover their dignity and self-respect? I think most would support Islamic mores, even if they don't practice them personally.

Let me give you guys a little insight into where this radical feminism and SJW trend is leading the American Muslims. Mostly Arab Muslim brotherhood org like CAIR, ISNA, MSAs, Black civil groups, Ahmadiyyas, and private 'Islamic' seminaries/universities are pushing it.

Lol, looks like the vibrancy has been updating since I last checked

@Psychic @Taimur Khurram @StormBreaker

What I want to ask is, why is Pakistan heading in this direction? For the sake of Allah, we have a history in which we progressed, Islamic golden age, but we never gave up our principles. Why can't we emulate that in today's age?

Look at the west not how much it has developed, but its society as a whole, tell me that is what you want in Pakistan? 50% divorce rate, Feminism, Mgtow (a reaction to feminism), hypergamy, LGBTQ, need I go on?

Feminism is a hidden poison in disguise, Pakistan will go through the same stages as the west, at its peak you will have MGTOW, where women (through feminism) are brainwashed to hate men, and men (through MGTOW) are brainwashed to hate women and only use them as sex objects or completely abandon them.

Why don't Muslims just follow the Quran and the Sunnah of the prophet? Hasn't Islam been perfected, and if its an issue of development and progress, well check your history, Islamic history, check out the golden age of Islam. Our ancestors didn't have to compromise on their deen to make such great achievements.

And if you all think Pakistan is in a deep crux now, wait until you adopt feminism, next you will adopt LGBTQ, next you will adopt like here in Canada, beastiality so long as there is no penetration, next you will consider Pedophilia as here in the west they are considering, don't believe me

Here is also why Feminism became mainstream...

Only reason I am making this comment is because I have love for Pakistan and don't want it to go down and under, and InshAllah this message reaches as many as possible so you can all pass it along.

It's not just Pakistan; it's spreading/ has already spread to every Muslim country via social media & smartphones, namely apps like Instagram that appeal mostly to young Muslim girls and promote "role models" like Kim Kardashian to these girls.

 

[airmarshal]

Marriage as institution is being slowly destroyed especially among educated class. Marriage is for short term benefits these days. If the man or woman does not meet the criteria, its time to move to the next phase or next partner.

I have not seen marriage being given the type of respect it deserves or was given to in our parents time.

 

[El Sidd]

Hi,

wow---you are asking this question to young kids---funny so very---.

so you can force young kids into marriage but cannot take their opinion

wah !!

 

[Clutch]

As for them being as smart as your or me, that doesn't really matter, look at the content before making that judgement.

Exactly it doesn't matter. That was my point.

So because there are critics of his premises and point of view... do you think it's okay not to post his views and have an honest discussion about that just because you don't like it???

So the first video really has nothing to do with feminism. I dont know why you posted it. He's mainly talking about how men act towards women, and doesn't really explain why women dont understand this, and just makes a weird blanket statement. He also bases his argument on a fictional story.

It's more about the point of breakdown of the institution of marriage... not really related to feminism.... So it aligns with the threads topic.

Jordan Peterson is a University of Toronto professor and has been well represented in leading mainstream media and think tanks.

He hurts the sentiments of the new age neo-liberal who cannot rebuttal his well positioned propositions ... They resort to blanket sanction if his voice...

I.e. the ostrich approach.

You still haven't provided me with your own formed rebuttal... You just reference other critics. Even his has critics.... That isn't the litmus test. Can you form your own rebuttal from the above ??

 

[That Guy]

Exactly it doesn't matter. That was my point.

So because there are critics of his premises and point of view... do you think it's okay not to post his views and have an honest discussion about that just because you don't like it???

Not really. You're using him as an intellectual, and I countered with my own selection, so no, you do not have a point.

As well, if his points are dishonest, then yes, it is perfectly fine to keep him out of the conversation.

It's more about the point of breakdown of the institution of marriage... not really related to feminism.... So it aligns with the threads topic.

Did you not watch the video?

Jordan Peterson is a University of Toronto professor and has been well represented in leading mainstream media and think tanks.

If you think national post is main stream media, and think tank, you're sadly mistaken. It isnt, and it is heavily associated with right wing media, and tend to post factual, but very selective and misleading reports.

Also, he's a professor of psychology, NOT sociology.

He hurts the sentiments of the new age neo-liberal who cannot rebuttal his well positioned propositions ... They resort to blanket sanction if his voice...

Do you know what neo-liberalism even is?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

He's a neo-liberal himself.

I.e. the ostrich approach.

You still haven't provided me with your own formed rebuttal... You just reference other critics. Even his has critics.... That isn't the litmus test. Can you form your own rebuttal from the above ??

I gave you literally 3 examples of where and how he's making shit arguments. What in the hell do you mean I haven't given you a rebuttal? You asked for 1, I gave you 3.

 

[Syed1.]

Diloon ka haal siruf Allah janay, but previously girls were uneducated and financially totally dependent on the husband and had to put up with verbal and physical abuse, because if they asked for divorce then they would be living on the streets or be a massive burden on parents. Hence you didn't see divorces, didn't mean that people were happier in their marriages.


Now women are attaining education at a rapid rate and are able to financially sustain themselves. There is greater participation of women in the work force as well. All this means that the girl will be less likely to put up with an abusive spouse who cannot keep it in his pants and frequently takes "business trips" to Thailand etc.


As the saying goes, taaly aek haath se nahi bajti.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Your little insight is cherry picking, and you know it.

These are the leaders of American Muslims and the most popular personalities among Muslims today. The trend is going this way. Even a scholar like Omar Suleman is pro-LGBT, and another one,Hamza Yusuf, is trying to normalize Trump.

 

[That Guy]

These are the leaders of American Muslims and the most popular personalities among Muslims today. The trend is going this way. Even a scholar like Omar Suleman is pro-LGBT, and another one,Hamza Yusuf, is trying to normalize Trump.

They're popular with American muslims not because of their stances, but because they represent the political power that muslims are gaining in the US.

A few exceptions don't make the rule.

 

[Clutch]

Not really. You're using him as an intellectual, and I countered with my own selection, so no, you do not have a point.

I never said he was or wasn't an intellectual m.. all I said is that he has an interesting opinion on this topic.

It is you stifling discourse... Interestingly, you still haven't given me a single reference from the content I uploaded that you have an alternative premise. It's just emotional backlash and sanction of his point of view?

Why?

 

[That Guy]

I never said he was or wasn't an intellectual m.. all I said is that he has an interesting opinion on this topic.

It is you stifling discourse... Interestingly, you still haven't given me a single reference from the content I uploaded that you have an alternative premise. It's just emotional backlash and sanction of his point of view?

Why?

What are you talking about, I GAVE YOU THREE EXAMPLES, STOP IGNORING THEM!

Also, saying Jordan Peterson is a bad source isnt stifling discourse.

If you're gonna be intellectually dishonest, then I'm no longer going to respond.

 

[fisher1]

He didn't say anything about women going around naked. Burqa isnt the only acceptable form of Islamic wear for women, hijab and niqabs are as well.

Or are you calling women who wear the hijab and niqabs whores?

He asked if our women "REALLY WANT" to be in shuttle cock burkas implying that they've been forced and repressed by the big bad Pashtun men.

I have heard what the west and enlightened modern minds think about our culture so i gave the perfect response.

Think we're repressing our women? Please go and walk up to one and tell her.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

The anti men feminism movement has gotten so extreme in the west that men in the west are refusing any kind of relationship with women whether at work or at personal level, in-fact western women have become so toxic that they are taught from a very young age to sleep around and look for their career instead of searching for a life partner and marriage, the fake rape allegation charges is so common in the work place that men with high positions are refusing to teach and take women under their roles.

Search MGTOW (men going their own way) on youtube, it's a movement in the west started by men who have had enough of feminism's toxicity and have decided to go their separate way without committing to women or having any kind of relationships with women in any shape of form.

 

[fisher1]

So, clothing is either fully covered (like Burqa) or completely naked according to you? Does that include yourself? Is that what you see on the streets where you live? One half of the town walking naked and another covering up everything except eyes? or where did you learn this wonderful idea?

So women only have to like hijab, niqab to wear it but wearing shuttle cock burqas mean they don't like it and are being forced?

I have never seen a Muslim ever ask his fellow Muslim if his women like wearing "hijab/burqa/niqab" because that's a condescending question and stupid. But non-Muslims think we're repressing our women and their definition of freedom is a bikini.

I explained what our culture thinks of western freedom and whether our women REALLY LIKE WEARING shuttle cock burqa.

so essentially you are saying that beyond 'shuttle cock burq' there is just nakedness?

Essentially i responded in the language you would understand.

What happened? Don't want to know if our women REALLY LIKE wearing shuttle cock burqas?

Don't ask stupid questions. I don't know if you're a Muslim but if you are, do you ask your mother or sister if she REALLY LIKE wearing hijab/niqab/burqa/clothes?

If you're a non-Muslim which i assumed you are based on your non-Muslim like question, freedom is nakedness and women really like wearing nothing. I responded in kind.

 

[LeGenD]

Hi Everyone @Oscar @Horus @Windjammer @Everyone else

I have recently seen four marriages dissolving and family going into disarray with destruction of family and children. This is all what i have seen in last one year. All have come from our military class and not the high officers class but from relatively decently educated middle grade young officers class. The divorce rates are already astonishingly high in civilian classes and that is all due to the 'faminine revolution' and rules being drafted in legislature giving females unprecedented rights in name of female liberty. Most certainly these females living with young officers are not oppressed, they come from good origins, have good education. They are not like the poor unducated class. This is bizzare and i was distressed with that. In one case, the female not only destroyed the life of the young man but also took away the children and now he has to present himself to court every month to meet his children. In this case, the female's father is a former brigadere and he has concieved several bogus charges against him in addition to divorce ( i say they are bogus, because i know the family for 25 years atleast).

This is all happened when we have embarked on dajjals feminist revolution and started drafting all kind of pro-female legalities and rules changing the balance between male and female as ordained by Allah SWT. I feel shattered to see this. We need to kickstart a campaign to stop this fanatic course of destruction.

In this very thread, you might have noticed some individuals conveniently blaming men for getting divorced. These individuals are of the view that only men victimize women and opposite cannot be true - these individuals have no idea.

There are good and bad women out there just like good and bad men out there. Bad person, irrespective of the gender, is very likely to victimize his/her partner due to selfishness, lack of flexibility, and/or other forms of bad habits.

Spoiler: Case Study

One of my cousins have a rough marriage unfortunately. His wife is rude and do not seem to respect newly established relations. Her parents are the biggest culprit in this, they decided to marry her but did not teach her how to be a good and caring wife and also be good to her cancer-survivor Mother In Law. This issue caused lot of friction and others had to intervene to drive the message home. Now this girl is a Lecturer in a University - imagine this.

When consulted, she will do her best to frame her In Laws for all problems in her marriage. Women can be fantastic liars and manipulators TBH. And they are very likely to be heard over men. Thankfully, some people and even a friend of her father saw through the veil of her lies and deceit.

I see complete failure of numerous Pakistani parents in guiding their children (male and female) to the right path and teaching them to respect relations. Secondly, Pakistani Academia is an utter joke. Just pay a visit to the University of Art and Culture - literally breeding ground of immorality. It looks like this nation is cursed due to rampant hypocrisy within.

Consider yourself lucky if you are able to find and secure a decent partner in current times.

Feminism have very effectively sold utterly misleading notion of Patriarchy to modern societies in order to win completely unnecessary/absurd favors for women from White Knights among men who are never in short supply around the world. These people do not realize that men have to work and be strong in order to have a shot at creating a family as well as endure in a highly competitive and unforgiving environment. To Feminists, STATE is the new husband which must cater to their every demand no matter the consequences.

Feminism was originally a valid moment to address genuine forms of disparity between men and women in a society such as the right to have a vote and opportunities for work - 1st wave. However, Feminism quickly shifted towards advocating for social degeneracy (i.e. sexual liberation among others) and this nonsense continue to this day with push for legalization of LGBTQ+ filth. Next would be paedophilia and beastality. This world is going to shit on the whole.

However, Allah Almighty is watching. You see when the White Race was religious and family-oriented, it conquered the entire world. Now thanks to Marxism and Feminism, White Race is in decline worldwide and Western nations are very likely to loose their power.

Now this debate have philosophical underpinnings so I will stop at this point.