Heavy casualties for Indian occupiers in last 24 hrs in occupied Kashmir

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@JF-17 block3
@Huffal
@-blitzkrieg-
@kingQamaR
@khansaheeb

I'll tell you something, you are making a mistake about Indians who are on PDF. Except for one or two suicide trolls, who come in trailing a stream of filthy abuse, and are soon escorted off by the Mods, the rest of the Indians want to discuss military matters, in a cordial, or at least a peaceful atmosphere. Nobody in this lot has negative feelings about Pakistan, or Pakistanis, or Pakistani ways. Competitive, yes, not willing to give an inch, yes, looking for battle all the time, no.

It's up to you.

You've read enough mail from others saying more or less the same thing. So here it is: if you wish, go ahead and waste your time being rude to people and thinking that you have scored a point or won a battle. You will neither have scored a point nor won a battle, just given up the possible chance of a good discussion.

Succinctly put, J saab.

I am in complete agreement. There was a time, a longtime ago, when this place was crawling with Indians only looking to troll, belittle and otherwise antagonize the hosts and the majority here with their quite unsavoury postings but that is just no longer the case. I can't think of a single currently active Indian member who indulges in that sort of thing here anymore.

There is a downside though, mostly as a result of the great purge from a few years ago, in that our hosts have evolved to have ever thinner skins even when it comes to perfectly civil discourse, debate and the exchange of ideas.. shame, but so goes it.

ki karan ?

 

[LakeHawk180]

@JF-17 block3
@Huffal
@-blitzkrieg-
@kingQamaR
@khansaheeb

I'll tell you something, you are making a mistake about Indians who are on PDF. Except for one or two suicide trolls, who come in trailing a stream of filthy abuse, and are soon escorted off by the Mods, the rest of the Indians want to discuss military matters, in a cordial, or at least a peaceful atmosphere. Nobody in this lot has negative feelings about Pakistan, or Pakistanis, or Pakistani ways. Competitive, yes, not willing to give an inch, yes, looking for battle all the time, no.

It's up to you.

You've read enough mail from others saying more or less the same thing. So here it is: if you wish, go ahead and waste your time being rude to people and thinking that you have scored a point or won a battle. You will neither have scored a point nor won a battle, just given up the possible chance of a good discussion.

I replied to someone today — representing the most perfect nation across our border (in this same thread) — angrily proclaiming that Indians lack civility — while packing all the crassest insults he could think of into that single exhortation like a confused child.

It’s these little things that make me smile.

Not sure if I want you to change all that too much. Perhaps reason is over rated.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Succinctly put, J saab.

I am in complete agreement. There was a time, a longtime ago, when this place was crawling with Indians only looking to troll, belittle and otherwise antagonize the hosts and the majority here with their quite unsavoury postings but that is just no longer the case. I can't think of a single currently active Indian member who indulges in that sort of thing here anymore.

There is a downside though, mostly as a result of the great purge from a few years ago, in that our hosts have evolved to have ever thinner skins even when it comes to perfectly civil discourse, debate and the exchange of ideas.. shame, but so goes it.

ki karan ?

My vote is to act civilised, whatever another might try to impose on us. Why should we react the way a few kids with Internet access want us to act?

Remember, there are more than enough respectable balanced Pakistani gentlemen, who, while they won't budge a millimetre from their fierce loyalty to their own country, do understand that we owe the exact same loyalty to our country. That is over and above all political rifts, on BOTH sides.

I replied to someone today — representing the most perfect nation across our border (in this same thread) — angrily proclaiming that Indians lack civility — while packing all the crassest insults he could think of into that single exhortation like a confused child.

It’s these little things that make me smile.

Not sure if I want you to change all that too much. Perhaps reason is over rated.

Trouble is, I've never changed, I've always taken this line.

Suaviter in modo, fortiter in re.

I think we ought to, each of us, individually or collectively, remember that we represent a great nation, and behave the part.

 

[El Sidd]

Government of Azad Kashmir should demand Government of Pakistan to go to war with India.

Unless war is taken in conventional manner to India, Pakistan will keep getting engaged with urban and suburban warfare imposed by India.

 

[JX-1]

Pakistan wants Kashmir land not the people.

Pakistan wants a referendum to decide Kashmir's fate, while India's claim is "SAAAR IT IJ OUR INTERGRAL PAAART SAAR THE GENOCIDAL MAHARAJAH SAID SO SAAR LET US COMMIT THE JAMMU MASSACRES AGAIN SAAR JUST GIVE US THE LAND SAAAR"

 

[Surya 1]

Biggest hoax was the mig 21 shoot down F16 bird. Your now in the Guinness book of records for the biggest lie ever.

Out 3 Indian pilots, 2 disappeared. That is biggest miracle ever.

 

[Clutch]

killing cisf - central industrial security force jawans. Very brave terrorists and their supporters here.
Still won't make you feel any better about your country.

I think the government of Shahbaz Sharif from your Avatar is supportive of this. This cannot be achieved without collusion.

 

[Clutch]

Kashmir people are free to go pakistan. Pakistan wants Kashmir land not the people. That message is gone well in kashmiri people mind.

Kashmiri people are native to Kashmir. They belong there. Hindu minority in Kashmir (if they are real ethnic Kashmiri) need to realize they are not Indians.

 

[Sayfullah]

@JF-17 block3
@Huffal
@-blitzkrieg-
@kingQamaR
@khansaheeb

I'll tell you something, you are making a mistake about Indians who are on PDF. Except for one or two suicide trolls, who come in trailing a stream of filthy abuse, and are soon escorted off by the Mods, the rest of the Indians want to discuss military matters, in a cordial, or at least a peaceful atmosphere. Nobody in this lot has negative feelings about Pakistan, or Pakistanis, or Pakistani ways. Competitive, yes, not willing to give an inch, yes, looking for battle all the time, no.

It's up to you.

You've read enough mail from others saying more or less the same thing. So here it is: if you wish, go ahead and waste your time being rude to people and thinking that you have scored a point or won a battle. You will neither have scored a point nor won a battle, just given up the possible chance of a good discussion.

I’m always ready for a peaceful discussion however those who want a peaceful discussion with me must respect my red lines too. Don’t expect respect if religion, martyrs, people held in high regards or anything sensitive of that nature is disrespected. For a respectful and peaceful discussion to happen BOTH sides must be respectful and careful in what they say.
I don’t have a problem with Indians or india either unless they have a problem with me or anything I hold in high regard.

This thread which was posted, it’s general news and Indian media outlets admit having heavy casualties. Indian forums like *** have whole threads on many separatist movements in Pakistan even if they don’t exist and they rejoice when our soldiers get martyred. Respect is mutual. If Indians forums celebrate the deaths of our soldiers in FATA or Balochistan, it’s only right for me to celebrate when the same happens to Indian soldiers in Kashmir which is a disputed territory in which majority is Muslims who want independence from india. Unlike Indians rejoicing over our soldiers dying in Balochistan or FATA, we Pakistanis especially Muslims actually have a connection to Kashmir since our country considers it its jugular vein and those Muslims in Kashmir are our brothers in faith.
Respect is mutual. Don’t expect respect if you can’t show respect. Indian Members here might be respectful but that doesn’t change the fact that many Indian forums rejoice our the deaths of our soldiers so, it’s only fair I post and support my brothers in faith who i consider fellow Pakistanis when they kill soldiers who they consider as occupiers.

As for threads such as hijab ban in india or condition of Muslims in India, if Indian forums and Indian government can talk about Hindus in Pakistan, I have the right to speak up for my brothers in faith in india.

As for threads on people like Hafiz Saaed, only a Pakistani Muslim will know why we respect him a lot and in Pakistan he’s still innocent when it comes to Mumbai attacks and, I follow Pakistan’s law and constitution so Indians claims won’t stop me from supporting him since he’s still innocent till proven guilty and has not been proven guilty yet even by india.

I’m always open for peaceful, respectful discussions but don’t expect respect from me if you can’t show me respect and that means respecting my opinions too. We can have radically different opinions but still remain respectful and discuss stuff but once that respect is gone, don’t expect respect back.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Heavy casualties of Indian troops in PDF.

Its actually true

I am getting news reports India's entire active troops of 1.3 million has been wiped out

Currently Indian reserve troops and paramilitary are being deployed at borders to secure them.

Indian Govt has initiated military drafting for a conscript army, go to your nearest Govt post office to enlist now

 

[Joe Shearer]

Don’t expect respect if religion, martyrs, people held in high regards or anything sensitive of that nature is disrespected. For a respectful and peaceful discussion to happen BOTH sides must be respectful and careful in what they say.

That's almost ground zero.

If these are NOT accepted, why even set out to discuss anything?

Take it that these expressions are passports to a dialogue.

You can check with any other Indian. They will agree with what you think should be the base line, and will look surprised that you even ask.

This thread which was posted, it’s general news and Indian media outlets admit having heavy casualties. Indian forums like *** have whole threads on many separatist movements in Pakistan even if they don’t exist and they rejoice when our soldiers get martyred.

One, reporting news is tricky. I think XYZ is reliable, and report something from there that deeply hurts your feelings. You think ABC is reliable, and report something that deeply hurts my feelings. So what exactly is reliable? If you think Indian media admits heavy casualties, why should any Indian object? If any Indian objects, are you sure about the authenticity of the Indian media you are quoting?

It's all shades of grey, there's nothing black and white.

 

[Joe Shearer]

If Indians forums celebrate the deaths of our soldiers in FATA or Balochistan, it’s only right for me to celebrate when the same happens to Indian soldiers in Kashmir which is a disputed territory in which majority is Muslims who want independence from india.

No, it isn't.

It isn't about Indian forums; you are not leading PDF and fighting back against those fora. If you want to do that, get enrolled as a member there and tell them what you think. To take out your frustrations with other places on members of your own forum doesn't compute.

Unlike Indians rejoicing over our soldiers dying in Balochistan or FATA, we Pakistanis especially Muslims actually have a connection to Kashmir since our country considers it its jugular vein and those Muslims in Kashmir are our brothers in faith.

Why is it your jugular vein? What does it control that you need and don't have control over? Don't say 'water', please; the fairest treatment that Pakistan gets is on the distribution of waters. There has never been a realistic dispute.

As for their being your brothers in faith, it was Jinnah who made it clear that Pakistan was not being created as protector of Muslim Indians; Muslim Indians, he made clear more than once, would have to fend for themselves.

Respect is mutual. Don’t expect respect if you can’t show respect. Indian Members here might be respectful but that doesn’t change the fact that many Indian forums rejoice our the deaths of our soldiers so, it’s only fair I post and support my brothers in faith who i consider fellow Pakistanis when they kill soldiers who they consider as occupiers.

Back to the same old same old.

As for threads such as hijab ban in india or condition of Muslims in India, if Indian forums and Indian government can talk about Hindus in Pakistan, I have the right to speak up for my brothers in faith in india.

Do they? Apart from a bigoted government that hunts trouble, who has been highlighting the plight of Hindus in Pakistan? Probably Pakistani media do that more than anyone else.

We come back to the same point. So shout and scream as much as you want. Leave PDF members who are Indian out of it.

 

[Joe Shearer]

As for threads on people like Hafiz Saaed, only a Pakistani Muslim will know why we respect him a lot and in Pakistan he’s still innocent when it comes to Mumbai attacks and, I follow Pakistan’s law and constitution so Indians claims won’t stop me from supporting him since he’s still innocent till proven guilty and has not been proven guilty yet even by india.

That ship has sailed. Pakistani courts have had no hesitation in convicting him. So there has to be a point at which you have to say that the game's up, as everyone including the judiciary, the administration and the military are agreed that he has committed crimes and has to be punished. If you don't follow Pakistan's law and constitution, that, of course, is another thing altogether.

I’m always open for peaceful, respectful discussions but don’t expect respect from me if you can’t show me respect and that means respecting my opinions too. We can have radically different opinions but still remain respectful and discuss stuff but once that respect is gone, don’t expect respect back.

You are repeating yourself. You want respect, you will get respect. You withhold respect from anyone because of something someone else has done, you voluntarily give up claims to being respected yourself.

My post to you four, among many, many others, was merely to point out the obvious. It is up to you to accept or not to accept these things. We won't suffer; your mature members are already there to talk to us, sometimes to tease us, sometimes to scold us, sometimes to laugh at us, sometimes to look down at us, but never crossing the line.

Check the posts on the forum and see for yourself.

 

[Sayfullah]

@Joe Shearer ill reply to what you wrote in a couple hours. Have an exam rn

 

[xeuss]

As for their being your brothers in faith, it was Jinnah who made it clear that Pakistan was not being created as protector of Muslim Indians; Muslim Indians, he made clear more than once, would have to fend for themselves.

Didn't know that you believed that the treatment of Indian Muslims is an "internal matter of India".

Human rights is never an internal matter.