Harappan site of Rakhigarhi: DNA study finds no Central Asian trace, junks Aryan invasion theory

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Just now I have finished reading your other blog, Trails of Brahman, and it is a good read. Waiting for Chapter 2.

@Levina , do read it.

Chapter 2 outline is ready . It would be completed by next Sunday . Next 2 chapters are very important as they will lay foundation of the story .

 

[django]

@Kaptaan @django

Bro I would not trust an Indian report besides Rakhhignar is far off from from places such as Mohenjandaro and Harappa and this DNA is matched with local Haryanvis.

 

[Pakistani E]

Bro I would not trust an Indian report besides Rakhhignar is far off from from places such as Mohenjandaro and Harappa and this DNA is matched with local Haryanvis.

It also doesn't specify what locals they are referring to. Are they referring to the Jats who make the largest single group in Haryana, or other Brahmin/Punjabi groups. Or do they mean the Dalits and other lower castes people of Haryana.

As for the OP, don't take him too seriously. I had a serious laugh while reading his comments, because if he is himself a Kashmiri Pandit like he claims to be, he also has no claim no IVC, apparently.

On topic: I will wait for the full release of information and analysis. This off the cuff remarks make no sense. What do they mean locals exactly? What haplogroups are they referring to? What is used as the benchmark of "local" admixture, etc etc? Basically, this article means nothing until the full study is released so we can read it and see how they have drawn these conclusions.

 

[django]

It also doesn't specify what locals they are referring to. Are they referring to the Jats who make the largest single group in Haryana, or other Brahmin/Punjabi groups. Or do they mean the Dalits and other lower castes people of Haryana.

As for the OP, don't take him too seriously. I had a serious laugh while reading his comments, because if he is himself a Kashmiri Pandit like he claims to be, he also has no claim no IVC, apparently.

On topic: I will wait for the full release of information and analysis. This off the cuff remarks make no sense. What do they mean locals exactly? What haplogroups are they referring to? What is used as the benchmark of "local" admixture, etc etc? Basically, this article means nothing until the full study is released so we can read it and see how they have drawn these conclusions.

I believe Harvard uni are also doing a study, I suspect it will be far more credible than this RSS inspired nonsense, I will not be surprised if we find Om Swami is leading the study lol.Kudos bhai

 

[Pakistani E]

I believe Harvard uni are also doing a study, I suspect it will be far more credible than this RSS inspired nonsense, I will not be surprised if we find Om Swami is leading the study lol.Kudos bhai

The OP is either having a poor attempt at trolling or trying to divert the attention from the biggest smoking gun of all. Consider the following:

The Aryan migration/invasion theory actually states that it occurred after or towards the end of IVC. So it makes sense for these samples to not have any admixture from Central Asia or the Near East/Caucauses. Which as we all know, most Pakistanis and North Indians do have today. This of course means someone moved here to mix with the locals to create modern day Pakistanis and North Indians...?

To debunk the Aryan invasion/migration, they would have to show that South Asian populations at the time of the Indus Valley Civilisation and modern South Asian populations aren’t particularly different in terms of ancestry. But this report seems to suggest the opposite: That the Indus Valley individuals were primarily indigenous, whereas studies of later DNA and current South Asians all indicate much more Steppe, or Aryan ancestry.

Contradictory conclusions
A recent study of ancient DNA from 612 ancient individuals, which has still to be peer-reviewed, arrived at the same conclusion, saying an Aryan invasion, or migration, theory did indeed seem likely. But that study did not have access to ancient DNA from Indus Valley sites, only individuals from nearby locations. If the Economic Times report is accurate, the Rakhigarhi study, the first one to properly examine the ancestry of individuals found at Indus Valley sites, now seems to affirm those findings.

Yet the report draws a few different conclusions altogether.

• First, the newspaper report seems to make the argument that because the Indus Valley Civilisation population had no Steppe ancestry, that disproves the Aryan invasion theory. In fact, it does the opposite.
• Second, the report speaks of Iranian strains in the DNA, which the newspaper says “may point to contact, not invasion.” Again, this affirms the extant Aryan invasion/migration theory, which believes the Indus Valley population was primarily South Asians mixed with Iranian agriculturalists, who at the end of the Indus Valley civilisation saw an influx of Steppe ancestry.
• Shinde says the findings show a manner of burial that is similar to the early Vedic period, and that some burial rituals prevail even now in some communities, showing remarkable continuity. This point is a reminder of the difficulty of using DNA to determine how culture or language travelled, but on the face of it, this finding suggests that cultural behaviour that was prevalent before the Steppe influx did not necessarily change much afterwards.
• Neeraj Rai, head of the DNA lab at Lucknow’s Birbal Sahni Institute of Paleosciences and a co-author of the study, says that the condition of the skeletons at Rakhigarhi points to a “predominantly indigenous culture that voluntarily spread across other areas, not displaced or overrun by an Aryan invasion.” Here he is suggesting that the Aryan invasion may not have been violent, since the skeletons do not seem to indicate warfare. But it is still unclear why that would discount the Steppe ancestry that shows up only at the end of the Indus Valley civilisation.
• Finally, there is Shinde’s statement: “This indicates quite clearly, through archeological data, that the Vedic era that followed was a fully indigenous period with some external contact.” It is unclear what this means at all, and how the DNA results play into this, and only a full reading of the paper is likely to clear up the questions around this.

https://scroll.in/article/882497/do...ryan-invasion-theory-or-give-it-more-credence

What it has actually done is destroyed the right wing Hindu fantasy of both North and South Indians sharing a common ancestry and that Aryan migration/invasion theory was a ploy by the evil foreigners to divide the Indians. Maybe that is why the OP is desperately trying to direct the topic to something else.

Because as far as I know, most Pakistanis who have an opinion on this topic accept that Pakistanis are a mixture of both local and subsequent foreign migrations/invasions. This article busts the right wing Hindu fantasy in my opinion.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

When you don’t respect your own heritage, origin, skin color , you will concoct elaborate racial/ethnic theories to steal someone else’s heritage.

Fact is Pakistanis are the descendants of the land from which our ancestors originated. We are the sons of the soil.

Indians are the sons of their soil from which their ancestors originated from.

Inter-mixing has happened but not the extent that Hindu scriptures portray for Hindus.

Pakistanis of Arab, Turkish, Mongol, or Iranian blood are still mostly sons of the soil due to inter-marriage and mixing with the native people of our land.

 

[jamahir]

Where did you find it ?
More like how did you find it ?

Your first blog page has two links, "Ashish Kaul" and "View my complete profile", both of which which lead to this page, and that page in turn has link to Trails of Brahman.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Your first blog page has two links, "Ashish Kaul" and "View my complete profile", both of which which lead to this page, and that page in turn has link to Trails of Brahman.

Oh! I wasn't aware of that .
I went with default settings to not mess up with blog

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Your first blog page has two links, "Ashish Kaul" and "View my complete profile", both of which which lead to this page, and that page in turn has link to Trails of Brahman.

New chapter is online .
Next chapter is critical to story

 

[Politico]

The real Aryans were the British. They enslaved the locals and taught them manners.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The real Aryans were the British. They enslaved the locals and taught them manners.

Aryan = Ay ran = Iran