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[sancho]

dont tell me code one magazine know more about the dsi than its designers

First of all, since the magazine belongs to Lockheed Martin, I am pretty sure they know what they are talking about.

you need to bring more than a magazine to support your claim.
lastly, i dont appreciate condescending tone so watch out in future. either bring proof or remain quiet on things you have little idea about.

Secondly, if there were a condescending tone in my statement, it might had been based on your poor try to take a hit at me without understanding the issue, nor that your own source actually confirms what I said about the goal of DSI! There is no need for me to prove more, since I already gave you all the infos you need, you just need to undertand what that feature is meant to do.

Anyway, back to topic!

 

[Dazzler]

First of all, since the magazine belongs to Lockheed Martin, I am pretty sure they know what they are talking about.



Secondly, if there were a condescending tone in my statement, it might had been based on your poor try to take a hit at me without understanding the issue, nor that your own source actually confirms what I said about the goal of DSI!

Anyway, back to topic!

that sums up the argument, you really need to see thingsthe waythey are but i guess you are so used to plan fantasy scenarios that.... lol

have fun in your world

 

[drunken-monke]

that sums up the argument, you really need to see thingsthe waythey are but i guess you are so used to plan fantasy scenarios that.... lol

have fun in your world

The difference between two think tanks is evident.....

Between at the topic @sancho since the Mk2 is a atleast 4-5 yrs away, will the HAL be able to fulfill the requirement???

Second thing, since Mk2 is would be better than Mk1 (off course) then will the existing Mk1's upgraded to Mk2 as MLU at that moment (when delivery of Mk2 completed)???

 

[Dazzler]

The difference between two think tanks is evident.....

stay on topic, stop ranting or get reported !

 

[sancho]

the Mk2 is a atleast 4-5 yrs away, will the HAL be able to fulfill the requirement???

HAL is the manufacturer of the fighter, but it's ADA and DRDO that are developing it, so it depends on ADA to get the design problems under control and to make the MK2 changes, just as it's up to DRDO to get a usful radar, avionics and to get the project on track including integration of the new engine.

Second thing, since Mk2 is would be better than Mk1 (off course) then will the existing Mk1's upgraded to Mk2 as MLU at that moment (when delivery of Mk2 completed)???

That needs to be seen, they either will upgrade them after 10 to 15 years in service, or might go the way they did with Su 30K, by selling the older versions and ordering new varients.

 

[raazh]

According to this artice India's Rafale Fighter Jet Deal in Final Lap, Awaits Government's Nod - NDTV

1. Senior IAF officials are saying that IAF may lose its traditional conventional edge against Pakistan if the contract for 126 Rafale is not clinched immediately, Does IAF believe that Su30, upgraded Mirage2000 and Mig29 cannot achieve air superiority against PAF ??
2. Also IAF is saying that LCA reach is barely 200 km and that they need a plane with atleast 1000KM range. Is this true or there is something wrong in the reporting?

 

[Bhasad Singh Mundi]

According to this artice India's Rafale Fighter Jet Deal in Final Lap, Awaits Government's Nod - NDTV

1. Senior IAF officials are saying that IAF may lose its traditional conventional edge against Pakistan if the contract for 126 Rafale is not clinched immediately, Does IAF believe that Su30, upgraded Mirage2000 and Mig29 cannot achieve air superiority against PAF ??
2. Also IAF is saying that LCA reach is barely 200 km and that they need a plane with atleast 1000KM range. Is this true or there is something wrong in the reporting?

Pls do some research, read the ADA IOC release where you will get the figures. Aircraft reach is not a fixed figure and depends on mission. As far as IAF is concerned...no comments!!

 

[GORKHALI]

According to this artice India's Rafale Fighter Jet Deal in Final Lap, Awaits Government's Nod - NDTV

1. Senior IAF officials are saying that IAF may lose its traditional conventional edge against Pakistan if the contract for 126 Rafale is not clinched immediately, Does IAF believe that Su30, upgraded Mirage2000 and Mig29 cannot achieve air superiority against PAF ??
2. Also IAF is saying that LCA reach is barely 200 km and that they need a plane with atleast 1000KM range. Is this true or there is something wrong in the reporting?

Its a misquote....or either IAF personal is misinformed.

 

[spectribution]

Rafale will be bought as we need an MMRCA for MiG 29UPG, Mirage 2000Mk2 supplement, replacement of Jaguar and MiG 27.

That said Tejas is a beauty and is for MiG 21 replacement. Well thought out plans but @$$hole UPA delayed deal to nth time.

 

[raazh]

Pls do some research, read the ADA IOC release where you will get the figures. Aircraft reach is not a fixed figure and depends on mission. As far as IAF is concerned...no comments!!

It is not my observation. Its being reported via senior Indian Air Force officials. It could have been a out of context quote had the officials said that its range is not sufficient for what ever mission they have in mind; But when they give you an exact figure 200KM and complain that they need around 1000KM then this should not just be considered as a slip of tongue or lack of information.

@GORKHALI You and I can be misinformed; but if you say that senior IAF official, who have spent all their service in the force and have reached a decision making post is misinformed then that actually raises more serious concerns on the Force itself.

@spectribution Please see the statement again. IAF officials are not complaining about the lack of quantity (by the way even that is more than what PAF fields). They are complaining about loss of conventional edge. This obviously include all the fighter types in your inventory. So my question is that the ppl who fly the planes and train day and night with them are not confident enough to face a F16B52 ??

 

[GORKHALI]

It is not my observation. Its being reported via senior Indian Air Force officials. It could have been a out of context quote had the officials said that its range is not sufficient for what ever mission they have in mind; But when they give you an exact figure 200KM and complain that they need around 1000KM then this should not just be considered as a slip of tongue or lack of information.

@GORKHALI You and I can be misinformed; but if you say that senior IAF official, who have spent all their service in the force and have reached a decision making post is misinformed then that actually raises more serious concerns on the Force itself.

@spectribution Please see the statement again. IAF officials are not complaining about the lack of quantity (by the way even that is more than what PAF fields). They are complaining about loss of conventional edge. This obviously include all the fighter types in your inventory. So my question is that the ppl who fly the planes and train day and night with them are not confident enough to face a F16B52 ??

Don't count me in your club mate.I know IAF more than you do.Bookmarked it


The Defence Minister Shri AK Antony today handed over the Release to Service Certificate of the country’s own Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), Tejas, to the Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal NAK Browne, at a function in Bengaluru, marking the fruition of a long and difficult journey of three decades of efforts to make a fighter aircraft of international standards.

Described as Initial Operational Clearance-II of Tejas, the LCA is designed to ultimately replace the Mig 21 fleet of IAF. The timing of IOC- II for LCA coincides with the iconic Mig 21 FL fighter flying into IAF’s history just a week ago.

Visibly happy at today’s event, Shri Antony said, during the last three years, the capabilities of the aircraft have been improved significantly. “In recognition of the enhanced capabilities, IAF has decided to grant the aircraft a higher status, namely, the Initial Operational Clearance for induction into the Service”, he said.

Shri Antony candidly confessed that he had his share of anxieties regarding the future of LCA when he had taken over as the Defence Minister in 2006 but today we are putting behind the moments of self –doubt, frustrations and setbacks which we as a nation have gone through in the last 30 years.

“The improvements to the aircraft have enhanced the flight envelope of the aircraft and also weapon delivery capability of the aircraft. The performance at Iron Fist, Jaisalmer and the recent missile firing at Goa are examples of such improvements. The reliability of the aircraft and serviceability has also been enhanced. The number of flights nearing 500 within this year provides an indication of this. Operating at IAF bases namely, Jamnagar, Jaisalmer, Uttarlai, Gwaliar, Goa, Leh, Pathankot demonstrate the aircraft capability to operate from Air Force bases. There have also been occasions when the same aircraft has flown thrice on the same day, indicating the operational reliability of this home-bred fighter aircraft ”, he said.

Shri Antony said military aviation in the country has got a major boost with the approval of several new programmes. Some of these programmes include – Mk2 variants of Navy and Air Force; Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft; Unmanned Air Systems; Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft and Medium Transport Aircraft, to name a few.

Describing the attainment of Initial Operational Clearance as an important milestone in the long journey towards indigenization through self-reliance, Shri Antony said, our public and private sector must work in tandem to develop and produce world-class military systems of the highest quality.

The Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal NAK Browne said it is indeed a proud day for the nation and particularly for the IAF; since the grant of IOC acknowledges the capabilities of this aircraft and paves the way for the induction of LCA Mk 1 into operational service. He said the progress of such a challenging experimental project without any accident or major incident is unprecedented in the history of aviation.

On a personal note, ACM Browne said as he prepares to hang his uniform at the end of this month, he would have gone home as a disappointed person if the IOC of the LCA had not been achieved.

Today’s event was attended among others by the Scientific Advisor to RM Shri Avinash Chander, Secretary Defence Production Shri GC Pati, Chairman of HAL Shri RK Tyagi, Programme Director of ADA Shri PS Subramanyam, DG- Aero and CE CEMILAC Dr K Tamil Mani.

A Long Journey

The Country had embarked on an ambitious plan to indigenously design and develop the Light Combat aircraft (LCA) to be inducted into IAF and Indian Navy inventory. The Programme has been spearheaded by the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), Bangalore under the Department of Defence R & D, with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) as its principal partner. A large number of Laboratories of Defence Research & DevelopmentOrganisation (DRDO) and Central Scientific & Industrial Research (CSIR), certification agencies, Indian Air Force, academic institutions and Private/Public Sector Undertakings participated in the LCA development effort.

Indian Light Combat Aircraft, christened ‘Tejas’, is the smallest, light weight, single engine, single seat, supersonic, multirole, combat aircraft and is one of the best in its class in the world. The quadruplex digital fly-by-wire flight control system ensures acceptable handling qualities while ensuring adequate safety throughout the flight envelope. The advanced Glass cockpit open architecture system complements piloting. Four variants of Tejas aircraft (Combat variant, Trainer and Naval variants) are being developed for land and carrier borne operations.

The Initial Operational Clearance-1 (IOC-I) for ‘Tejas’ was achieved on 10 Jan 2011. In IOC-I, the Aircraft had a few limitations in terms of Combat performance, turn around time and its weaponisation which had to be refined and improved through Research & Development process. In addition to this, Wake penetration trials, all weather clearances were planned beyond IOC-1.

Since IOC-1, ‘Tejas’ has accomplished significant milestones. Till date, more than 2450 sorties have been completed to achieve the flight test goals towards IOC-2. The design issues were resolved with System Engineering approach and by periodical reviews with participation of external experts.

The salient features which have been achieved in IOC-2 include Safe flying up to High angle of Attack as mandated by the users. This has considerably enhanced the combat performance of the aircraft. The Flight control system evaluation has also been completed. The time for initial built-in test has been reduced considerably which enables faster turn around and enhanced operational readiness of aircraft. The Brake system has been improved significantly in terms of energy absorption capability during landing, thus ensuring prompt turn-around of the aircraft. Significant improvement in Cockpit ergonomic and lighting system has been accomplished for improved night flying. In-flight re-light capability was demonstrated to ensure enhanced safety and reliability of the aircraft. This is a major achievement. Avionics and Weapon system of the aircraft have been revamped for effective mission superiority. Helmet Mounted Display Sight (HMDS) has been fully integrated in Tejas and R73E missile firing has been successfully demonstrated using HMDS.

Multi Mode Weapon multirole capability of Tejas was demonstrated during its participation in Iron Fist. Air to Ground mission and Air to Air missions were demonstrated by dropping Laser Guided Bombs and R73E firing in single pass. Laser Guided Bomb firing has been achieved for IOC-2 to user’s satisfaction.

Aircraft readiness for missions in terms of its readiness and Operational Readiness Platform (ORP) and Turn Round Service (TRS) and easier maintainability has been achieved as per requirement thus enhancing operational readiness of the aircraft. Tejas has passed all the tests for “All Weather Clearance” of the aircraft. The Aircraft has been cleared for fly without any telemetry support.

IOC-2 shall enable Air Force to carry out air superiority and offensive air support missions, forward air field operations, all weather multi role operations, Electronic counter measures and night flying operations.
LCA Tejas is capable of flying non- stop to destinations over 1700 km away (Ferry Range). It's Radius of Action is upto 500 km depending upon the nature and duration of actual combat.
Press Information Bureau English Releases

 

[raazh]

Don't count me in your club mate.I know IAF more than you do.Bookmarked it

Don't know what club ur talking about but apparently it seems you are not in the IAF club .. all I quoted is what IAF senior officials said and its all in black in white ..

 

[GORKHALI]

Don't know what club ur talking about but apparently it seems you are not in the IAF club .. all I quoted is what IAF senior officials said and its all in black in white ..

I know what am talking ,because I know Inside out of IAF and I shown the official news letter released in PIB. Its just a Misquote or IAF personal is misinformed.

 

[rockstarIN]

Don't know what club ur talking about but apparently it seems you are not in the IAF club .. all I quoted is what IAF senior officials said and its all in black in white ..

Don't know what club ur talking about but apparently it seems you are not in the IAF club .. all I quoted is what IAF senior officials said and its all in black in white ..

All those combat radious vary based upon mission and load too. It won't cross 50 km if it had it dog fight for quite long time near the base at sea level.

 

[amitkriit]

It is not my observation. Its being reported via senior Indian Air Force officials. It could have been a out of context quote had the officials said that its range is not sufficient for what ever mission they have in mind; But when they give you an exact figure 200KM and complain that they need around 1000KM then this should not just be considered as a slip of tongue or lack of information.

@GORKHALI You and I can be misinformed; but if you say that senior IAF official, who have spent all their service in the force and have reached a decision making post is misinformed then that actually raises more serious concerns on the Force itself.

@spectribution Please see the statement again. IAF officials are not complaining about the lack of quantity (by the way even that is more than what PAF fields). They are complaining about loss of conventional edge. This obviously include all the fighter types in your inventory. So my question is that the ppl who fly the planes and train day and night with them are not confident enough to face a F16B52 ??

We know everything about the Arjun Tank Saga. Few Top ranked officers have their own axe to grind.