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[Matrixx]

WHy JF17 is not in comparison?

Then why is India dying for 126 AMCA from France? Question for the genious?

Because Rafale is best in its class.....

 

[ARCHON]

Then why is India dying for 126 AMCA from France? Question for the genious?

did u even read the article....

 

[sancho]

Then why is India dying for 126 AMCA from France? Question for the genious?

Come on, no need for that. We needed a proven fighter that adds more capabilities to IAF and provides us with latest techs for our industry.

If we had planned LCA project in a better way, MMRCA wouldn't be needed, because the LCA as a fighter has undeniably a high potential and the radar diameter comparison of BlueDot_in_Space just shows one part of it. The problem is not the fighter, but the high expectations of it's developers. I still see a good chance tha LCA can be a big success, but again it depends on the developers if they keep focusing on it, or it they already dream of more.

 

[kingkobra]

Then why is India dying for 126 AMCA from France? Question for the genious?

1.Because we can only make around 8 LCA per year.
2.LCA is good against pakistan but it is not better than rafale.
3.MMRCA contestants were the best planes in the world and we can buy them so we are buying them

 

[Matrixx]

Rafale is far better than LCA....Having Rafale is always good....LCA got breather to develop further even it is inducted....

 

[DrSomnath999]

Then why is India dying for 126 AMCA from France? Question for the genious?

LLLOLLLZ OH boy , india is not dying for 126 AMCA from france ,but we are buying it & going to coproduce it & utilize some of it's
cutting edge technology in the development LCA mark2 , FFGA & of course AMCA like
1)future development of AVIONICS & ECM with THALES of france,
2)KAVERI + scenema engine (ECO)
3) also who knows development of ramjet powered astra in future with the help of MBDA
for more info
top 10 reasons why india did the right thing by chosing rafale read this thread
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/4347-mrca-news-discussions-523.html

Rafale is far better than LCA....Having Rafale is always good....LCA got breather to develop further even it is inducted....

WTF are u comparing rafale with LCA

 

[DrSomnath999]

If we had planned LCA project in a better way, MMRCA wouldn't be needed, because the LCA as a fighter has undeniably a high potential and the radar diameter comparison of BlueDot_in_Space just shows one part of it. The problem is not the fighter, but the high expectations of it's developers. I still see a good chance tha LCA can be a big success, but again it depends on the developers if they keep focusing on it, or it they already dream of more.

exactly we could have invested only on PAKFA rather than on MMRCA .Just becoz of poor administration & bad luck regarding
sanctions we could have inducted 1-2squadron LCA mark1 much earliear by 2012 & started development of more advanced LCA mark2

 

[DrSomnath999]

 

[AGHORI]

Then why is India dying for 126 AMCA from France? Question for the genious?

It is not AMCA!! Its MMRCA!
LCA is in the lightweight category while MMRCA is in the medium weight and range category. Answer to the not so genious. We need to have a high-medium-low mix of aircraft for strategic reasons.

 

[ApparentRaceTraitor]

Then why is India dying for 126 AMCA from France? Question for the genious?

You do know that there is a considerable world of difference between the MRCA, LCA and AMCA?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Then why is India dying for 126 AMCA from France? Question for the genious?

Such ignorance from a senior member is truly shocking. I am not going to even bother and educate you to the differences between the LCA and MMRCA because going by what you've said I'd be here all night.

 

[anathema]

B Harry expired some years back in his 20's! One of the best posters that i have seen and interacted with . Amazing knowledge ! He will be Missed !!!!

 

[DrSomnath999]

B Harry expired some years back in his 20's! One of the best posters that i have seen and interacted with . Amazing knowledge ! He will be Missed !!!!

yes his real name was Harish Balaji K aka B Harry who died of heart attack in 2007 ,his article on LCA by far was the best article on
lca till date now

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Yes, because it didn't met it's prime goal, to be useful to power LCA MK1!

I have some doubts on your initially estimated weight specs of K9, because it was meant to be a light engine, with 81kN thrust, which was developed even according to western standards, so the weight aim must had been around 1000Kg or lower, but it turned out to be 1100Kg or even heavier.

Several other specs are wrong as well, GE 404 IN 20 offers 55kN and 85kN for the version we use in LCA MK1, RD 33-3 series offers 83kN and the MK version of the 29Ks even 90kN thrust, while beeing lighter as well. So currently, Kaveri is not able to replace a single foreign fighter engine and some reports says it fell way shorter in terms of thrust than you think. That's why the plan now seems to be to co-develop the Kaveri K 10 and replace the GE 404 IN20 during future upgrades of LCA MK1, because there is simply no hope for the K9 to reach that level.

So the engine itself is a major failure of DRDO, while it was a major planning failure in the LCA project, to be dependent on K9 and not using a proven stopgap engine first!

In history , NO Engine was 100 % successful and made unto its specifications even chinas has WS-10A , then came with WS-10B and now WS1-10C which is requirement and design paramenetrs.

But it doesn't prevent them to make WS-10A called successful even it required hauling after 30 hrs against western standard of 300 hrs. ? so chinese called in successful and now will you call WS-10A a complete failure?

Kaveri , is a very first attempt by India to make engines and in future with more R&D in metals they can reduce the weight also. India should start using Indian engines and modified will happen with time.

One says , Challenger tank didn't make as good as in First attempt, it a long history over period of time to build tanks and modified it , like T-90 came form T-80 and t-80 came from -T72 over a period of time , what if someone at that time ask T-90 tank and says t-72 is fail we want t-90 now ?

This is happening with Arjun , they want t-120 type tank and t-90 era , Arjun can evolve over a period of time and compete with any latest Russian / Western Tank in 5-10 year time frame.

It is some Indian people mentality which want more then F-35 plane specs in the time f-35 era.

 

[Ping]

Old article written by Harry, most known for his articles in ACIG. Yea, he died a few years back.

Some specs in that article needs to be updated, one which caught my eye was the empty weight. LCA has gotten fatter by over a tonne! Still lighter than JF-17 by a few kilos, but still has an anemic thrust to weight ratio due to the massive weight gain, according to the IAF. Even the superior thrust of American engine failed to increase the thrust to weight ratio to impress the IAF. So a newer engine was needed but it was a bigger engine than the previous one, and LCA has to be slightly re-designed. Now redesigned LCA is to be known as Tejas Mark-2. The rest all is history.
How one parameter deficiency leads to a snowball effect is clearly visible here.

What really intrigues moi in all of this is the standards of the PAF. JF-17 being heavier than LCA and its Russian engine producing less thrust than the LCA's American engine, clearly has less thrust to weight ratio than LCA. But still PAF is ok with it while IAF needs nothing more than a new version of the fighter. Is IAF spoiled by SU-30MKI & MMRCA(Rafale), or is PAF status so bad it has been reduced to accepting Chinese Junks no matter what the jet's performance. Who knows. Maybe both.