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[nomi007]

why India is not taking Israeli assistance for tejas?

 

[manofwar]

why India is not taking Israeli assistance for tejas?

It is supposed to be an indigenious effort, not a JV....
The CAG will go nuts if HAL tried any such thing because too much money has already been invested
for an indigenious fighter

 

[sancho]

why India is not taking Israeli assistance for tejas?

Israelis are partners in the radar development, possibly some parts of avionics too, but EADS was chosen to fix some of the problems with regard of the airframe.

 

[sancho]

TEJAS LSP - 7

 

[rockstarIN]

Its is really a small light combat air craft...even smaller than Mig-21s

 

[sudhir007]

LSP-7

 

[Black Widow]

why India is not taking Israeli assistance for tejas?

Good question. First of all India was not pro israel till 2000

Indo-Israel relation: India was pro Palestine for 5 decades after independence. It was Bajpai-Jacob-Jaswant who shifted the trend. Our enemy was same (Terrorists) so our alliance was obvious.

When LCA project was initiated (1993) We had no relation with Israel. We took assistance from USA for FBW (our engineers were working at LM). After Pokhran II the Americans kick us out of there laboratory and they took all of our work. We started from scracth in India. Similarly our ejection seat was from martine becker (British), we made our own ejection seat and get certified by Martine Becker.

Though LCA is indigenous, we take help from french (on design) and Israeli (on avionics and Electronic equipment).

 

[LiberalAtheist]

Its is really a small light combat air craft...even smaller than Mig-21s

which is what they were built for small aircraft like Tejas are supposed to be small agile and fast interceptors with a swing role capability to drop LGB's and PGM's Tejas could be used for CAS but its not designed as a long range fighter besides we will have PAK FA, MKI, and MiG-29 to do that Mirage Rafale and Jaguar is for strike and ground attack LCA will just be used for fighter escort and patrols it makes a good and cheap interceptor i even think the LCA MK2 will have good export capability being cheaper but capable enough to get the job done. light fighters in large numbers have always been used especially in defense of the country's airspace the earliest example of this was the Luftwaffe air campaign in Britain during WW2. the smaller lighter and more agile british fighters brought down the nazi heavy fighters and bombers even in the Indo-Pak wars the Folland Gnat has the reputation of being a "sabre slayer" because it was so light and agile it defeated its heavier enemies.

 

[deckingraj]

Good question. First of all India was not pro israel till 2000

Indo-Israel relation: India was pro Palestine for 5 decades after independence. It was Bajpai-Jacob-Jaswant who shifted the trend. Our enemy was same (Terrorists) so our alliance was obvious.

When LCA project was initiated (1993) We had no relation with Israel. We took assistance from USA for FBW (our engineers were working at LM). After Pokhran II the Americans kick us out of there laboratory and they took all of our work. We started from scracth in India. Similarly our ejection seat was from martine becker (British), we made our own ejection seat and get certified by Martine Becker.

Though LCA is indigenous, we take help from french (on design) and Israeli (on avionics and Electronic equipment).

Bolded parts are factually wrong...First our relations with Israel started in 91...That is the time when we started our diplomatic relations with them...Relations with israel were very good even prior ot 2000 and in fact they provide the much needed help in form of LGB during kargil(1999)...

Now as far as why they were not involved - You are partially right...In 1993 we were just cozying up with them...So it is but obvious that including them was not feasible at that time...Secondly it was not a JV anyways and we wanted to built everything on our own....

 

[Black Widow]

Bolded parts are factually wrong...First our relations with Israel started in 91...That is the time when we started our diplomatic relations with them...Relations with israel were very good even prior ot 2000 and in fact they provide the much needed help in form of LGB during kargil(1999)...

Now as far as why they were not involved - You are partially right...In 1993 we were just cozying up with them...So it is but obvious that including them was not feasible at that time...Secondly it was not a JV anyways and we wanted to built everything on our own....

Thanks for correcting me. I goofed up the timeline..

 

[RPK]

Development of Tejas LCA
The Initial Operational Clearance-1 (IOC-1) for the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft has been achieve on 10th January, 2011. Presently, LCA development activities leading to final operational clearance are in progress. Action for induction of Tejas into IAF has been initiated. IAF has placed orders for 40 aircraft on HAL.

Tejas Mark-I is planned at present for 40 aircraft only. Tejas Mark-II aircraft is under development with an alternate higher powered engine with considerable improvements. Final cost assessment will be available only after the development phase of Mark II is completed. Scope for cost reduction of Tejas Mk-I has been examined and the same is assessed as not feasible in view of limited quantities.

Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) is the nodal organization for the development of Tejas.

Rs.11845.20 Crores have been sanctioned by the government of India to ADA for the development of Tejas till date and the total expenditure incurred so far is Rs.5051.46 Crores.

IAF plans to induct six LCA squadrons by the end of the 13th Plan.

This information was given by Minister of State for Defence Shri MM PallamRajuin a written reply to Shri Tarun Vijay in Rajya Sabha today.

HH/NN
(Release ID :80909)

 

[ganimi kawa]

Though LCA is indigenous, we take help from french (on design) and Israeli (on avionics and Electronic equipment).

Can you provide me a link to verify the bolded part?

AFAIK, Dassault was approached for help with FBW, but the deal did not go through!

That french helped in LCA design is one of the biggest myths; I feel!

 

[sancho]

That french helped in LCA design is one of the biggest myths; I feel!

Some say they were consulted during the design stage, but it's hard to say if that is true, or if it's just another myth based on the so called similarity to Mirage 2000.
Fact is EADS was consulted in the later stage for some changes to fix problems, but I can't tell for which exactly, although it might be sure that "some" French could have been involved there, since EADS is partialy French.

 

[karan21]

Some say they were consulted during the design stage, but it's hard to say if that is true, or if it's just another myth based on the so called similarity to Mirage 2000.
Fact is EADS was consulted in the later stage for some changes to fix problems, but I can't tell for which exactly, although it might be sure that "some" French could have been involved there, since EADS is partialy French.

even if we took help then whats the problem i dont understand. what ever we took help in we have mastered it ourselves by now. designing a plane now is not the problem for us. amca's design is already done and close to final design is shown this year at defence expo. we will see it in a few days. there is no similarity in mirage and tejas. both planes have different airframe and wing design. lca's air intakes are present under the wing while mirage has it above the wing in the front.

 

[sancho]

even if we took help then whats the problem i dont understand.

I don't have a problem with it, I am even for more co-developments or JVs and I am known as a LCA hater, because I said it would have been better to co-develop it's radar and engine from the start.
But the fact is, LCA as a project and by design is an Indian development, we only made big mistakes in the planning of the development and were blinded by our pride. Otherwise it is a good 4th gen fighter, with enough future potential to be our low end for the next 2 or 3 decades.