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with the thrust to weight ratio, it can go upto mach 2, they have just not tested it to a mach 2+ speed,remember the comment about the speed is not made by DRDO but some corrupt IAF guy,a!!hole.
Correct...!!! Gents, forget about arguing which engine also runs what aircraft. Top speed, acceleration and sustainable speed all depends on that thrust-weight ratio. Fuel and weapons are factors of that ratio as they are 'consumables'. That mean this ratio is also a variable, complicating engine management by modern avionics. If there is a performance problem or 'hit' with this engine in one aircraft but not in the other, do not blame the engine.
 
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General Electric F-404 with 85KTN of Thrust is a decent Engine.
Since sheer amount of Composite materials are being used in Tejas and it is a design based on Mirage it should fly at least mach 1.8 fast.

All i can think of is the Design flaws can cause such an issue or extended weight.

Give you an example.

Thunder Prototype 2.



Thunder Production Air craft.




See the difference in Air intakes , the Second Photo has Divert less supersonic intakes where as the Prototype has conventional intakes much like F-4 Phantom.

The Fastest Speed of the Prototype recorded was Mach 1.6 but the Production air craft has a speed of mach 1.8 with the same engine but DSI intakes and major design changes in the air frame.

Maybe Tejas needs some fundamental and radical design changes in its air frame.

Regards: BB

Well it means if we add composites Like Carbon fiber, Kevlar and Glass fiber composites JF17 will become lighter and more agile as well as fast & with proposed new 100 KTN WS10 or 12 engines it will become Mach 2+ ... Infact I don't know that after adding Composites How much of the weight reduced by the JF17 ... what might be the %age ... and as a matter of fact that LCA is designed with light weight composites still lack in performance ... it seems like it has a design flaw what else because its the worlds smallest Combat Aircraft have a pretty Decent engine with an 85 KTN almost same as RD 93 ...
 
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again .... it is not an official news,some humbug who even might not be involved with the testing reported that it has not flown with all the armaments..well it has flown with R-73, drop tanks and every other missile ,the tests have not finished yet,if they would have pushed through to max speed then it might have been reported,as it was reported when it broke mach 1 for the first time.....
 
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Tejas boosts test programme

Tejas boosts test programme
Ajai Shukla / Hal\ Bangalore June 05, 2010, 0:28 IST

A small group of engineers stood tensely beside the runway on Thursday at Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd, Bangalore, peering at the sky. As two approaching dots rapidly enlarged into the menacing delta-wing shapes of the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft, an animated murmur arose. Test pilot, Wing Commander Suneet Krishna was bringing in a brand new Tejas fighter from its inaugural test flight.

Krishna descended steeply, a parachute flowering as his aircraft touched down; a split second behind him, the chase aircraft, another Tejas flown by Group Captain R R Tyagi, “peeled off” into the sky with a roar. That was the “chase aircraft”, which had watched and photographed every moment of Krishna’s flight. In those 40 minutes, both fighters had climbed to 36,000 feet; broken the sound barrier; turned and twisted sharply; and checked several parameters as part of the Tejas flight test programme.

The fighters taxied into where the ground crew was assembled and clapping broke out, as Krishna climbed out flashing a thumbs-up. A bucket of water was ceremonially dumped over his head (the Tejas budget does not run to champagne), several bouquets handed over, and kaju barfi stuffed into his mouth. The fourth Limited Series Production Tejas (LSP-4) was ready to join the flight test programme.

Each LSP Tejas contains more systems and is more complex than its predecessors. LSP-3, which first flew on 23rd April, was the first Tejas with a multi-mode radar (MMR); and with electronic systems to differentiate friendly from hostile aircraft. LSP-4 has all that and also flare and chaff dispensers to confuse enemy radars and missiles: a Counter Measure Dispensing System.

With the Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) of the Tejas due this year, the flight test programme desperately needs every aircraft it can build. The testing, which requires thousands of individual flight checks, proceeds only as fast as the number of aircraft available for the testing. The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), which oversees the Tejas programme, has faced sharp criticism from the Indian Air Force for producing successive LSP aircraft too slowly, thereby protracting the testing and delaying the IOC. LSP-4 will be only the eighth Tejas in the flight test programme, which has done 1,300 sorties, amounting to more than 700 hours of flying.

HAL admits that LSP-3 was overdue by a year, but points out that LSP-4 has followed in just over a month. “I am pushing for LSP-5 to fly by June-end,” says D Balasunder, the managing director of HAL’s Bangalore Complex. “It will have all the systems fitted in LSP-4, and will additionally have night lighting within the cockpit, and an auto-pilot.”

From the runway, technicians move off to the hangars with the newly-inaugurated LSP-4 to ready it for a gruelling regime of hot weather trials. This weekend, LSP-3 and LSP-4 will leave for Nagpur, where, day after day, they will bake in the sun for hours before hurling themselves into the sky to test whether their sophisticated electronics can withstand the Indian summer.

The ADA plans to build LSP-6 and LSP-7 quickly and then hand those two Tejas fighters to the IAF. At its base in Sulur, near Coimbatore, the IAF will operate the aircraft to provide feedback about improvements that are needed to make the Tejas easier to maintain in combat. ADA sources plan to make easy maintainability a key feature of the Tejas Mark- II, the next, improved, version of the Indian fighter.

“The Tejas Mark I is already as good or better as the light fighters in the IAF,” declares ADA chief, PS Subramaniam, referring to the MiG-21 BISON. “The air force should order at least 60 of them.”


But, the IAF is less exuberant. Senior air marshals point out to Business Standard that, if they grant the Tejas IOC at the end of 2010, it will be in the long-term interest of the fighter programme, not because the Tejas has met all its targets. The Tejas does not fly as fast as originally planned; its acceleration is significantly less; and the Tejas has not been tested yet in carrying much of the weaponry it is designed to.
 
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Tejas boosts test programme


“The Tejas Mark I is already as good or better as the light fighters in the IAF,” declares ADA chief, PS Subramaniam, referring to the MiG-21 BISON. “The air force should order at least 60 of them.”


But, the IAF is less exuberant. Senior air marshals point out to Business Standard that, if they grant the Tejas IOC at the end of 2010, it will be in the long-term interest of the fighter programme, not because the Tejas has met all its targets. The Tejas does not fly as fast as originally planned; its acceleration is significantly less; and the Tejas has not been tested yet in carrying much of the weaponry it is designed to.

looks to me lca mk1 still has a long way to go.
 
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Hi, there is significant difference between "Acceleration" and "Top Speed".

Yup,

But unfortunately the LCA lack both, according to reports.


Any comment on this issue without further clarification from IAF or ADA will only be speculative.


Lot of indirect clarifications are coming from both IAF, &dodo.
 
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just like ur JF 17 and Mirage 5 (old) are same :argh:

well they are nt..do you hav any official claim frm PAF or any govt wher they said that jf-17 and mirages re same

liek your official said.compaing it with mig 21 bison

this is a insult to lca.
 
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well they are nt..do you hav any official claim frm PAF or any govt wher they said that jf-17 and mirages re same

liek your official said.compaing it with mig 21 bison

this is a insult to lca.

Can u provide any source when they compare both aircraft ... or u just come here to start flam war???
 
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Mig 21 bison and LCA both same for IAF

:O

Well.. the main reason for the development of LCA was to replace MIG 21 & 23 & bisons.. and thats where the comparison to Mig bison and LCA stops.. if you go by the features of LCA its way advanced than the Bisons.. :cheers:
 
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What constitute "OFFICIAL" News????

It si not like a blog, but a business paper reporting quoting an AirMarshal and the director subramanium.

well if its true so our officials not hide it but its not official ... we dont need to hide failure reports like pakistan
 
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