Govt Crackdown on the Islamabad protesters | Updates & Discussions

[Winchester]

Listening to people like Maulana and Achakzai one can understand why the average educated middleclass Pakistani has such a low view of this institution

 

[VCheng]

Where do you stand pal? I told you that I was going to save your words for record.

My stance is very clear with these words:

However, such demands may or may not be acceptable or reasonable, or may need a proper and legal pathway to be implemented. The Court has erred in declaring the demands unconstitutional, and has failed in its duty to prescribe the proper pathways which such demands have to meet the legal standards and procedures as set forth in the Constitution and relevant body of law.

PTI lost it all when they came out on the street with the likes of PAT.

 

[Emmie]

My stance is very clear with these words:

However, such demands may or may not be acceptable or reasonable, or may need a proper and legal pathway to be implemented. The Court has erred in declaring the demands unconstitutional, and has failed in its duty to prescribe the proper pathways which such demands have to meet the legal standards and procedures as set forth in the Constitution and relevant body of law.

PTI lost it all when they came out on the street with the likes of PAT.

So you're saying an illegal demand should meet a legal standard? An illegal demand doesn't have a legal standard, nor a legal procedure can be adopted to entertain it so all these ifs and butts are pretty irrelevant.

Other day to bash judiciary you were ready to accept that demand legal and now suddenly for other reason ready to call same demand illegal.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Ice Bucket Challenge in front of Parliament

 

[Muhammad Omar]

 

[VCheng]

So you're saying an illegal demand should meet a legal standard? An illegal demand doesn't have a legal standard, nor a legal procedure can be adopted to entertain it so all these ifs and butts are pretty irrelevant.

Other day to bash judiciary you were ready to accept that demand legal and now suddenly for other reason ready to call same demand illegal.

Please read my post that you quoted again in its entirety.

Making a demand is IK's right, but it is how that demand is expressed can be legal or illegal, and that is what the court failed to clarify. He can express his personal opinion (legal) or he can move the Parliament (legal) but he cannot shut down the capital (illegal) in pursuit of his demand.

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This is what I said earlier:

It is the right of any citizen make any demand of the government. Certainly, IK can raise any demand he wishes, as a citizen and as an MNA. For example, asking the PM to resign is perfectly constitutional. However, such demands may or may not be acceptable or reasonable, or may need a proper and legal pathway to be implemented. The Court has erred in declaring the demands unconstitutional, and has failed in its duty to prescribe the proper pathways which such demands have to meet the legal standards and procedures as set forth in the Constitution and relevant body of law. It may appear to be a fine point, but the law and its interpretation must be precise and accurate if it is to be effective.

 

[Meengla]

Now it seems PTI has retreated from PM resignation demand. I personally see it as a good development.
Sherpao is also more loyal than the king.

And that's because Sherpaos and Achakzais are unsure of their re-elections should there be mid-term elections while most of NS, PPP, and MQM members have not only a stake in the status-quo but they are also reasonably sure that they will get their seats back--especially if PTI is mortally wounded.

SMQ started his speech with praising Khurshad Shah & also praised BB, ZAB. & said BB was his leader.... so they were all chill chill kool kool

PPP and JI are the most mature political parties of Pakistan. They are not going to fall for SMQ's butt-kissing. It is in PPP interest to keep the status quo so long as Sindh govt. is retained. They are not ready for re-elections yet. Also, Lord knows what kind of concessions were recently given by NS to Zardari a few days ago in Raiwind on top of the NRO cases relief.

Altaf Bhai jumping into the scene.

If they do resign and the speaker accepts,, that will be a little crises on it's own, but the bigger crises will be if they join the protests, especially in Karachi.

Correct. The cost to the economy because of Karachi shut downs will be far greater than that from the ISB marches.

 

[Emmie]

Please read my post that you quoted again in its entirety.

Making a demand is IK's right, but it is how that demand is expressed can be legal or illegal, and that is what the court failed to clarify. He can express his personal opinion (legal) or he can move the Parliament (legal) but he cannot shut down the capital (illegal) in pursuit of his demand.

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This is what I said earlier:

It is the right of any citizen make any demand of the government. Certainly, IK can raise any demand he wishes, as a citizen and as an MNA. For example, asking the PM to resign is perfectly constitutional. However, such demands may or may not be acceptable or reasonable, or may need a proper and legal pathway to be implemented. The Court has erred in declaring the demands unconstitutional, and has failed in its duty to prescribe the proper pathways which such demands have to meet the legal standards and procedures as set forth in the Constitution and relevant body of law. It may appear to be a fine point, but the law and its interpretation must be precise and accurate if it is to be effective.

What the court had failed to clarify is not the point in discussion here. It neither declared it legal, nor illegal. The legality or illegality of the demand hasn't been determined by any institution so this argument is not valid.

As per you, IK like every citizen had a right to demand anything however demand may be or may not be acceptable on legal grounds. Having said that how can you now declare a demand illegal that you thought was legal unless declared illegal by a legal authority.

We are discussing here the legality of the demand not the legality of the way he has adopted, latter is a different debate altogether.

Answer me straightaway - Do you consider, in your personal capacity, the demand of resignation legal?

This what you said earlier, in case if you have forgotten.

PTI had the moral authority to exert this pressure the correct way in the beginning, but they lost it with this illegal demand.

 

[VCheng]

What the court had failed to clarify is not the point in discussion here. It neither declared it legal, nor illegal. The legality or illegality of the demand hasn't been determined by any institution so this argument is not valid.

As per you, IK like every citizen had a right to demand anything however demand may be or may not be acceptable on legal grounds. Having said that how can you now declare a demand illegal that you thought was legal unless declared illegal by a legal authority.

We are discussing here the legality of the demand not the legality of the way he has adopted, latter is a different debate altogether.

Answer me straightaway - Do you consider, in your personal capacity, the demand of resignation legal?

A private citizen has the right to hold any personal opinion as he or she may wish to hold, and therefore legal.

 

[Emmie]

A private citizen has the right to hold any personal opinion as he or she may wish to hold, and therefore legal.

Good and thank you.... Now will you take back the words you stated in this post?

PTI had the moral authority to exert this pressure the correct way in the beginning, but they lost it with this illegal demand.

 

[VCheng]

Good.... Now are you ready to take back the words you stated in this post?

Please do consider the fact that it is PTI's violent street protest that made its demand for resignation illegal. Clearly. My words are correct. IK could have said the same demand on the floor and it would have been perfectly legal.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Anti-Hashmi slogans by PTI

 

[Saifkhan12]

Listening to people like Maulana and Achakzai one can understand why the average educated middleclass Pakistani has such a low view of this institution

Maybe it's time to do away with this parliament for a while?.

 

[Emmie]

Please do consider the fact that it is PTI's violent street protest that made its demand for resignation illegal. Clearly. My words are correct. IK could have said the same demand on the floor and it would have been perfectly legal.

Ok, now there's a difference between a legal demand and a perfectly legal demand?

Told you we were not discussing the way he adopted - peaceful or violent, that's not the point. Point is about the legality or illegality of the demand.

 

[Amaa'n]

Lol, on the lighter note