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Influence is not just measured in economy. It is measured in cultural influence, political influence, alliances, miltary power etc. For example whilst most muslims may of heard of Mahathir Mohmed, many will struggle to think of an Indonesian leader name. If one thinks of military power in SE Asia Singapore and Malaysia are first two that come to mind....

LOL. Indonesian current leader is just focus on the internal matter about Indonesia and ASEAN. Indonesia is the leader in ASEAN if you dont know geopolitics.

Mahathir is famous because he has lead Malaysia for many decades previously, he come back to rule Malaysia is more because of there is some thing wrong with Malaysian politics that make him come back.

If we have ambitious leader like Soekarno who have great ambition in international politics, some thing great may happen, inshaAllah. As far as I know Mahathir can only gather 2 Muslim leaders in his Summit without any meaningful result.

While this Soekarno in 1955 can bring almost all influential Asian and African leaders in historic Asian African conference in Bandung, Indonesia.



Do I need to believe you or US government ?

U.S.-INDONESIA RELATIONS

Indonesia is a vital partner in the Indo-Pacific Region and U.S.-Indonesia relations have taken on increasing importance. Indonesia is the world’s third largest democracy, largest Muslim-majority country, the seventh-largest economy by purchasing power, and a leader in ASEAN.

https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-indonesia/
 
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If that really is the case shame on Bajwa for even going to Saudi Arabia.
we cant afford to distance ourselves from Saudis.
the Saudi Prince has a personality issue he is paranoid and unstable he has had his own family members locked up or maybe even killed through accidents and sending killer squads to execute exiled Saudis
Bajwa has a very difficult job dont curse him pray for him that he returns back with some dignity and good news.
 
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we cant afford to distance ourselves from Saudis.
the Saudi Prince has a personality issue he is paranoid and unstable he has had his own family members locked up or maybe even killed through accidents and sending killer squads to execute exiled Saudis
Bajwa has a very difficult job dont curse him pray for him that he returns back with some dignity and good news.

The only right thing to do is to end relations. Nothing good can expected from this fiasco.
 
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we cant afford to distance ourselves from Saudis.
the Saudi Prince has a personality issue he is paranoid and unstable he has had his own family members locked up or maybe even killed through accidents and sending killer squads to execute exiled Saudis
Bajwa has a very difficult job dont curse him pray for him that he returns back with some dignity and good news.

Informative video, thanks for sharing.

The only right thing to do is to end relations. Nothing good can expected from this fiasco.

I reckon part of our establishment would love to take that route, but unfortunately the donkeys and cows (grass eaters) purposely shackled this country in so much debt, that it is pretty much impossible to maneuver freely.. at least in the medium to long term.. which by then it's probably too late, and thats if the incumbent gov is given a chance to fix things (economy).
 
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we cant afford to distance ourselves from Saudis.
the Saudi Prince has a personality issue he is paranoid and unstable he has had his own family members locked up or maybe even killed through accidents and sending killer squads to execute exiled Saudis
Bajwa has a very difficult job dont curse him pray for him that he returns back with some dignity and good news.
Opinion
Saudi Arabia's Shocking Snub From Pakistan Is a Bonanza for China and Turkey

Pakistan’s foreign policy has a rule: Say yes to whatever comes out of a Saudi mouth. But last week, Pakistan slapped back. Why? And who will it really benefit?

Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi recently launched a shocking broadside at Saudi Arabia, the Gulf state with whom Islamabad has become increasingly close, let alone dependent on.


It was a sign of a new configuration in Pakistan’s foreign and economic policies which will have far wider repercussions: the pivot away from Riyadh, towards China and Turkey, is a recognition of a new global cold war, whose most explosive faultlines will include the border between Pakistan and India.



Marking the anniversary of India revoking Kashmir’s special status last week, Qureshi issued a stark and unprecedented warning to Saudi Arabia and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC). He demanded Riyadh categorically support Pakistan’s position on the long-disputed territory of Kashmir, threatening that inaction would force Islamabad to ally with other Muslim states over an issue that Pakistan has long framed as a "genocide of Muslims."
Conceding that he was saying something "much bigger than my stature," the foreign minister’s words for Saudi and the OIC were a remarkable departure from Islamabad’s erstwhile subservience to Riyadh, which has long prohibited Pakistan from any disagreement with the Saudis even in private meetings – and here the foreign minister was issuing warnings on national television.
Riyadh retaliated immediately, insisting Pakistan repay $1 billion for oil supplies that had previously been repaid in deferred payments. Who stepped in cover the debt with a last-minute loan? China. Six days after Qureshi’s TV offensive, Riyadh ended the loan and oil supply to Islamabad, despite Pakistan’s repeated requestsfor the renewal of the facility.


Such was the magnitude of what Qureshi had said that anything barring his sacking would mean that the state – which in Pakistan translates into the all-powerful military, with complete controlover its foreign policy – is fully behind the foreign minister’s claim, even if it is not clear if Pakistan thought through all the repercussions.
A week on, while the opposition parties have opportunistically looked to cash in on the apparent diplomatic curveball, the government’s own reaction has been to talk up relations with Saudi Arabia. But it has pointedly refused to backtrack on the foreign minister’s statement, maintaining that Pakistan would always "protect its interests."
Even Qureshi’s own follow-up statements have dismissed the now evident turbulence in Saudi-Pakistan relations, and he has declined to offer even a hint of retraction of his original comments.



Why would Pakistan risk what has up to now been considered the convenience and mutual interests of a Saudi sugar daddy, only 18 months after Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salmon was treated to a hero’s welcome in Islamabad, an alliance for which Pakistan ditched its longstanding ties with Tehran?
The reason is that Pakistan has forayed far too deep into its narrative on Kashmir – equating the current Indian regime with Nazi Germany perpetuating a Holocaust of a people that Islamabad claims as Pakistanis – to sit still diplomatically.
Pakistan now realizes that military-sponsored pro-Kashmir song competition and an annual minute of silence won’t do, especially when the Imran Khan government is being accused at home of "selling out Kashmir."
Even so, regardless of diplomatic or domestic needs, a policy permanently etched in Pakistan’s foreign policy rulebook is to say yes to whatever that comes out of a Saudi mouth.


Over the last two years alone, the incumbent Pakistani government has been told to verbally back the Saudi-founded so called Islamic Military Counter Terror Coalition (IMCTC), provide diplomatic support following the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, and snub a global Muslim summit in Malaysia over Saudi fears that it would rival the OIC.
During last year’s visit by MBS, Pakistan virtually peddled itself as a Saudi client state, signing $20 billion worth of deals, while allowing claims of Iran being the "world’s chief sponsor of terrorism" to echo from Islamabad.


A Haaretz piece around this time last year alluded to other trial balloons for further planned reshuffles in Pakistan’s foreign policy rulebook, not least the idea of recognizing Israel.


At the same time, instead of siding with Islamabad against New Delhi, the OIC invited India to attend its conference as a guest of honor. However, India’s move on Kashmir last August has pushed a rethink.


Pakistan’s desperation on Kashmir has been evident – especially since any explicit direction of cross-border jihadist ventures have been shackled by the threat of draconian financial sanctions by the anti-terror Financial Action Task Force, leaving the military establishment hoping for a Palestine-style intifada to explode. But any revision of relations with Saudi Arabia has, until last week, remained unthinkable.
This is especially true since Pakistan’s toeing of Saudi – and U.S. – lines on their mutual arch-enemy Iran has remained intact, as exemplified by the seizure of an Iranian ship at Karachi’s Port Qasim only last week. As recently as last week, Imran Khan was talking up his efforts to mediate between Saudi and Iran, which in the glossary of Pakistani diplomatic euphemisms means implementing Riyadh’s instructions.


And Pakistan has gone even further domestically to signal its affiliation with the Saudi Sunni side: it just passed a blatantly sectarian anti-Shia "Protection of Islam" bill, condemning non-Sunni Islam, despite 20 percent of Pakistan's Muslim population, and many of its founding fathers, being Shia. That pushed the local Shia clergy to issue calls for nationwide protests two weeks ago.


So many of Pakistan’s needs, ideological and economic – such as the $10 billion oil refinery to be built in Pakistan according to an agreement signed last year – are still fulfilled by Saudi Arabia. So for the Khan government to make such a drastic diplomatic reshuffle, they would have needed cast-iron backups on both fronts. Enter Turkey and China.


Turkey offers Pakistan not cash but clout, the promise of Erdogan’s internationally ambitious, Islamist-focused government amplifying Pakistan’s status in the Muslim world and its critical foreign policy issues.
Over the past 12 months, Pakistan has been actively rallying for the formulation of a new global Muslim bloc to be spearheaded not by Saudi Arabia but by Turkey, a faithful supporter of Islamabad on Kashmir. Internationally, this has found expression in the establishment of an "anti-Islamophobia channel" on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly, and the Kuala Lumpur summit on Muslim unity and empowerment that Islamabad pulled out of (under Saudi pressure) at the 11th hour. Khan has committed to attending the next conference of the OIC rival.


It’s not only in foreign policy that Turkey’s weight is now felt. Pakistan is experiencing an explosion of Turkish pop culture, spearheaded by the hit TV show Ertugrul. Not only did Imran Khan request Pakistan’s state TV to translate and air the Turkish series which spotlights the battles and achievements of the father of the founder of the Ottoman Empire, he has recommended the show so that Pakistanis can learn about "our history and heroes."


The Turkification of Pakistan even entered the realm of national identity, pseudo-science and mythology: for decades, Pakistanis have been taught, somewhat bizarrely, that they have Arab ancestry. Now, in place of that imaginary geneology, there are now clear efforts to fabricate a Turkish lineage for Pakistan’s people.


In China, where Islamabad has been increasingly putting all its proverbial eggs, Pakistan feels it has an economic lifeline. And it even has some leverage over the economic superpower: Beijing has no interest in jeopardizing its largest ever overseas investment, the $62 billion China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). Pakistan’s rulers are more than willing to pay the cost of that investment, in the shape of ripping the heart out of local industries, and formalizing of political totalitarianism.


And the all-powerful Army is fully aware that it can replace Saudi defense cooperation with China: both would be responsible for the security required to defend the multi-billion China Pakistan Economic Corridor, which runs from China through Pakistan’s Gilgit-Baltistan region, disputed territory that is part of the Kashmir conflict claimed by both India and Pakistan.
Beijing now sees its economic interests served by backing Pakistan’s narrative on Kashmir, to ensure that the Gilgit-Baltistan region, gateway to the CPEC, remains firmly under Islamabad’s control and with free access by China.


And the Amy, always keen to spot an opportunity to monetarily profit at the cost of the country’s interests (fanning the Kashmir dispute flames helps inflate the annual defense budget increments,for instance) thinks it could still turn a profit.


And China may prove to be a better bet than Saudi Arabia on core international issues for Pakistan. Beijing continues to back Pakistan on Kashmir, and that support is more eager than ever since its border conflict with India started heating up, with military clashes just months ago.


Furthermore, China is now seeking an active role in global conflicts, including Israel-Palestine, increasingly aiming to establish itself as the global power, while the U.S. is retreating from the Middle East. With the Trump administration ramping up its hostility to China – over trade and COVID-19.


With the new cold war an indubitable reality, the Indo-Pakistan border, and Kashmir, could become one of its gravest fronts. And Islamabad seems to want to join the China camp.


Pakistan can now align its Islamist rhetoric towards a new Mecca: Turkey. That is critical for domestic consumption, and for the sustained production of jihadists, a key tool of its security and foreign policies.


In China, Islamabad has a fiscal and geopolitical behemoth, eager to spearhead political resolutions in both Afghanistan and Kashmir – the latter not just being another front to take on India, but also part of the disputed territory on which the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor is literally being built. Just as long as Imran Khan doesn’t mention the Uighurs.
This potential China-Pakistan-Turkey alliance could even find room for Iran, which is closing in on a trade and military partnership with Beijing. Even though China is also getting closer to Saudi, the winds of the new cold war may force Riyadh to take sides, and ditch China for its longstanding ally in Washington.


Pakistan’s ideal situation would be to rescue some normalcy in its bilateral ties with Saudi Arabia, but at the same time not to relinquish a leading role in a separate Saudi-rivalling Islamic bloc. With China and Turkey at its back, Pakistan can now prioritize Kashmir over Saudi Arabia.


And it can outsource its territory – and most conflicts – to China. Then Islamabad would no longer need the U.S. dollars, and Saudi petrodollars, which for the past four decades have dictated its domestic, security and foreign policies. Pakistan’s subservience to Saudi Arabia was never wildly popular at home.


But the Imran Khan administration’s drastic realignment may well not lead to more substantial autonomy: it may just be a question of swapping one master for others, while embedding Pakistan at the epicenter of an increasingly tense global polarization.


Kunwar Khuldune Shahid is a Pakistan-based journalist and a correspondent at The Diplomat. His work has been published in The Guardian, The Independent, Foreign Policy, Courrier International, New Statesman, The Telegraph , MIT Review, and Arab News among other publications. Twitter: @khuldune
 
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No they are trying to patch up differences.One needs to understand that both brotherly nations need one another. Pakistan is hurt by Saudi insensitivity over kashmir but there maybe other issues. People who think it was SMQ alone who let out a Barak are grievously mistaken. Sometimes these messages are let out for a reason and then the other side latches on to the seriousnes of the situation and tries to patch the situation up. I think it is too soon to predict what is going on but I can bet you anything a very reconciliatory message will come from Riyadh. Rather than the OIC it is the lack of support of the Saudis over kashmir which is trouble some although behind the line certain other financial arrangements will also be made. Bajwa needs to be careful in that he does not make this a personal gain situation rather than a national gain. However if he maintains his stance and I see no reason that he wont Pakistan will gain out of this. I suspect a lot of the previous arrangements will be ratified
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To further expand a bit on what you said.

KSA is insecure of a few muslim countries since KSA considers itself as a crown of muslim world and a leader of muslim countries. Top of list is Iran, from which KSA is insecure. Next candidates are Turkey, Pakistan and Malaysia. If viewed closely, it is seen that Iran, Pakistan and Turkey have strong leaderships, while Malaysia had had strong leadership too in recent past. Egypt might be militarily strong, but its leadership is weak. Libya has no leadership.

Pakistan has been a battle ground for KSA-Iran war in the past and still continues to do do, this is a religious fight. Some masjids and their imams are commanded by pro-iranis, while majority of madrassa/molvi/madjid are controlled by KSA. Pakistan is suffering a sectarian war due to this duel.

If we look at history, Pakistan has excelled not through money, not through financial aid from any country - BUT - through self-reliance. Biggest example is the A-Bomb and going nuclear. Pakistan did not become nuclear on financial aid, it was effort in many other different domains. Nuclear weapon ensure that India will think twice before an all out open war and cannot cut any part of Pakistan. Other examples are different types of missiles (ballistic and Cruise). BM and CM ensure that Pakistan can not only aim at all parts of India but can reach Israel too. Military examples are JF-17 and AK, which ensure that Pakistan's skies are safe with/without embargo and the gaps in defence of desert in sindh can be covered now, respectively. Pakistan's engineers and scientists were not funded (money) by foreign entities to make A-bomb, JF-17 or ballistic missiles. Yes technology was provided, especially China. And thats my point, that financial aid or Oil doesn't help Pakistan get independent and prosper, its the technological aid that helps Pakistan and KSA doesn't provide that.

The interests of KSA and Pakistan will never at many instances, like:

1. Iran

KSA wants Pakistan to stand against Iran, where as Pakistan sees Iran as its neighbour and a muslim country. Pakistan wants to move ahead with Iran as well as other muslim countries, KSA wants to lead and wants exit of Iran wherever KSA steps in. KSA also expects Pakistan to side with KSA, opposite Iran, in all matters. Further on that Pakistan cancels all trade deals with Iran and looks towards KSA only for its oil needs. When Pakistan doesn't give in to such demands, then Pakistan is made to suffer in different ways by pressurising tactics.

2. Israel and USA

Pakistan has drifted in China bloc, away from USA. KSA wants Pakistan aligned with USA interests, not Chinese. MBS himself regards Trump alot, but Trump knows that Pakistan and China will always be true to each other so will not pay heed to any requirements of Pakistan. KSA is dependent upon on USA and it wont be a surprise that USA wants KSA to bring Pakistan back into USA's sphere of influence. KSA thinks Israel as its neighbour and under USA's influence, KSA keeps good relations with Israel and wants Pakistan to do so. Secondly, Iran is strictly anti-Israel, and this is where Pakistan and Iran align against Israel which is a big thorn for KSA. This further shows that KSA and USA have almost similar interests.

3. Turkey, Malaysia and Qatar

Erdogan is disliked by the west, his policies are pro-Turkey and in some domains, Pro-Muslims. Turkey is poised towards the honour of serving hospitality as custodian of two holy mosques. Turkey is also getting distant from USA bloc and is becoming friendly with Russia and China. Turkey's future is seen bright through its technological advancements and Turkey wants to regain its once lost glory through economic reforms in future. Malaysia under Mahathir has progressed and Pakistan didnt attend Malaysian summit because of "friends" (KSA) which i think Pakistan will repent someday. KSA wants Pakistan to cut all ties with Qatar, though Qatar has been friendly towards Pakistan and there is a strong Pakistani community in Qatar, especially the uniformed lot.

4. China

As I previously mentioned, KSA and USA want Pakistan to stay in their sphere where China has made a strong footing inside Pakistan already through CPEC. While USA and KSA controlled Pakistan through financial aid, it is China that helped Pakistan advance technologically the most. Whether Pakistan will become a colony or dominion of Chinese empire through CPEC is yet to be seen. China sits on Pakistan's door step just like Iran where as both KSA and USA are far away and want to control Pakistan through their own interests.

Pakistan has every right to weigh every country through the lens of Kashmir - since kashmir issue is Pakistan's interest and has been subject of war and enmity with India. Those countries that stand with Pakistan on this issue and are willing to help resolve this issue through any means should be seen as only friends of Pakistan. This should also be a lesson to Pakistan that it should endeavour to get independent in all fields of progress that matters, be it science, technology, finances, military etc. Financial aid brings its own strings which hurt Pakistan;s interest at the end of the day. If Pakistan wants to be totally free from such strings, then Pakistan has to make a solid base for its development and that requires a leader who is sincere to Pakistan and its interests.

Pakistan should start to lead muslim countries, just like Turkey is aiming to do while KSA and Iran themselves have been trying to do since past many decades. Pakistan should form alliances to lead its allies, not just become part of an alliance and follow a leader. Pakistan has friendly relations with many muslim countries and Pakistan can gather them under one flag if it plays its cards right. USA, Israel and west have been capitalising far too long on the KSA-Iran divide - Pakistan should put a break on that and put forward its own interests and ask muslim nations to join it and then work jointly on their interests too.

There is no other way.
 
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They why Saudi ambassador met COAS and why visit Ksa ? Why everybody is saying Ksa asked money back because of smq statement ?if nothing has happened why there is noise..let’s agree to disagree for royal it is ..to call them in public like this

Going through this thread, one realizes that no one on this forum really has any clue, as what GHQ thinks of this SMQ induced debacle.

Nonetheless, remittance is also another major aspect one should keep in mind, when reviewing our relationship, something irrelevant people on this forum have no answer to.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1568832
 
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financial aid or Oil doesn't help Pakistan get independent and prosper, its the technological aid that helps Pakistan and KSA doesn't provide that.

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Your naive statement tell us that, you are oblivious, to the difference between theory and ground realities.
 
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Its the same people who often says Pak has no guts, OIC and Saudi’s are useless(Which is true), IK isn’t doing enough blah blah blah. Now someone has spoken the truth and whole world turned upside down ! Saudi became America to Pakistan, OIC became bigger than UN, table has turned. I wonder why ? Those jahil royals of GCC counties do not represent Islam , got nothing to do with Islam and should be thrown in the bin.
 
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To further expand a bit on what you said.

KSA is insecure of a few muslim countries since KSA considers itself as a crown of muslim world and a leader of muslim countries. Top of list is Iran, from which KSA is insecure. Next candidates are Turkey, Pakistan and Malaysia. If viewed closely, it is seen that Iran, Pakistan and Turkey have strong leaderships, while Malaysia had had strong leadership too in recent past. Egypt might be militarily strong, but its leadership is weak. Libya has no leadership.

Pakistan has been a battle ground for KSA-Iran war in the past and still continues to do do, this is a religious fight. Some masjids and their imams are commanded by pro-iranis, while majority of madrassa/molvi/madjid are controlled by KSA. Pakistan is suffering a sectarian war due to this duel.

If we look at history, Pakistan has excelled not through money, not through financial aid from any country - BUT - through self-reliance. Biggest example is the A-Bomb and going nuclear. Pakistan did not become nuclear on financial aid, it was effort in many other different domains. Nuclear weapon ensure that India will think twice before an all out open war and cannot cut any part of Pakistan. Other examples are different types of missiles (ballistic and Cruise). BM and CM ensure that Pakistan can not only aim at all parts of India but can reach Israel too. Military examples are JF-17 and AK, which ensure that Pakistan's skies are safe with/without embargo and the gaps in defence of desert in sindh can be covered now, respectively. Pakistan's engineers and scientists were not funded (money) by foreign entities to make A-bomb, JF-17 or ballistic missiles. Yes technology was provided, especially China. And thats my point, that financial aid or Oil doesn't help Pakistan get independent and prosper, its the technological aid that helps Pakistan and KSA doesn't provide that.

The interests of KSA and Pakistan will never at many instances, like:

1. Iran

KSA wants Pakistan to stand against Iran, where as Pakistan sees Iran as its neighbour and a muslim country. Pakistan wants to move ahead with Iran as well as other muslim countries, KSA wants to lead and wants exit of Iran wherever KSA steps in. KSA also expects Pakistan to side with KSA, opposite Iran, in all matters. Further on that Pakistan cancels all trade deals with Iran and looks towards KSA only for its oil needs. When Pakistan doesn't give in to such demands, then Pakistan is made to suffer in different ways by pressurising tactics.

2. Israel and USA

Pakistan has drifted in China bloc, away from USA. KSA wants Pakistan aligned with USA interests, not Chinese. MBS himself regards Trump alot, but Trump knows that Pakistan and China will always be true to each other so will not pay heed to any requirements of Pakistan. KSA is dependent upon on USA and it wont be a surprise that USA wants KSA to bring Pakistan back into USA's sphere of influence. KSA thinks Israel as its neighbour and under USA's influence, KSA keeps good relations with Israel and wants Pakistan to do so. Secondly, Iran is strictly anti-Israel, and this is where Pakistan and Iran align against Israel which is a big thorn for KSA. This further shows that KSA and USA have almost similar interests.

3. Turkey, Malaysia and Qatar

Erdogan is disliked by the west, his policies are pro-Turkey and in some domains, Pro-Muslims. Turkey is poised towards the honour of serving hospitality as custodian of two holy mosques. Turkey is also getting distant from USA bloc and is becoming friendly with Russia and China. Turkey's future is seen bright through its technological advancements and Turkey wants to regain its once lost glory through economic reforms in future. Malaysia under Mahathir has progressed and Pakistan didnt attend Malaysian summit because of "friends" (KSA) which i think Pakistan will repent someday. KSA wants Pakistan to cut all ties with Qatar, though Qatar has been friendly towards Pakistan and there is a strong Pakistani community in Qatar, especially the uniformed lot.

4. China

As I previously mentioned, KSA and USA want Pakistan to stay in their sphere where China has made a strong footing inside Pakistan already through CPEC. While USA and KSA controlled Pakistan through financial aid, it is China that helped Pakistan advance technologically the most. Whether Pakistan will become a colony or dominion of Chinese empire through CPEC is yet to be seen. China sits on Pakistan's door step just like Iran where as both KSA and USA are far away and want to control Pakistan through their own interests.

Pakistan has every right to weigh every country through the lens of Kashmir - since kashmir issue is Pakistan's interest and has been subject of war and enmity with India. Those countries that stand with Pakistan on this issue and are willing to help resolve this issue through any means should be seen as only friends of Pakistan. This should also be a lesson to Pakistan that it should endeavour to get independent in all fields of progress that matters, be it science, technology, finances, military etc. Financial aid brings its own strings which hurt Pakistan;s interest at the end of the day. If Pakistan wants to be totally free from such strings, then Pakistan has to make a solid base for its development and that requires a leader who is sincere to Pakistan and its interests.

Pakistan should start to lead muslim countries, just like Turkey is aiming to do while KSA and Iran themselves have been trying to do since past many decades. Pakistan should form alliances to lead its allies, not just become part of an alliance and follow a leader. Pakistan has friendly relations with many muslim countries and Pakistan can gather them under one flag if it plays its cards right. USA, Israel and west have been capitalising far too long on the KSA-Iran divide - Pakistan should put a break on that and put forward its own interests and ask muslim nations to join it and then work jointly on their interests too.

There is no other way.
Self reliance is No short path, It’s a long one, One that consumes years and years.

In this span of “Years”, One needs sustainability, for the economy and the demand.

It’s really surprising to see many people here throw off KSA as if we can afford to lose KSA.
 
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Self reliance is No short path, It’s a long one, One that consumes years and years.

In this span of “Years”, One needs sustainability, for the economy and the demand.

It’s really surprising to see many people here throw off KSA as if we can afford to lose KSA.
Take it as my message for independence day, cheers.
 
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To further expand a bit on what you said.

KSA is insecure of a few muslim countries since KSA considers itself as a crown of muslim world and a leader of muslim countries. Top of list is Iran, from which KSA is insecure. Next candidates are Turkey, Pakistan and Malaysia. If viewed closely, it is seen that Iran, Pakistan and Turkey have strong leaderships, while Malaysia had had strong leadership too in recent past. Egypt might be militarily strong, but its leadership is weak. Libya has no leadership.

Pakistan has been a battle ground for KSA-Iran war in the past and still continues to do do, this is a religious fight. Some masjids and their imams are commanded by pro-iranis, while majority of madrassa/molvi/madjid are controlled by KSA. Pakistan is suffering a sectarian war due to this duel.

If we look at history, Pakistan has excelled not through money, not through financial aid from any country - BUT - through self-reliance. Biggest example is the A-Bomb and going nuclear. Pakistan did not become nuclear on financial aid, it was effort in many other different domains. Nuclear weapon ensure that India will think twice before an all out open war and cannot cut any part of Pakistan. Other examples are different types of missiles (ballistic and Cruise). BM and CM ensure that Pakistan can not only aim at all parts of India but can reach Israel too. Military examples are JF-17 and AK, which ensure that Pakistan's skies are safe with/without embargo and the gaps in defence of desert in sindh can be covered now, respectively. Pakistan's engineers and scientists were not funded (money) by foreign entities to make A-bomb, JF-17 or ballistic missiles. Yes technology was provided, especially China. And thats my point, that financial aid or Oil doesn't help Pakistan get independent and prosper, its the technological aid that helps Pakistan and KSA doesn't provide that.

The interests of KSA and Pakistan will never at many instances, like:

1. Iran

KSA wants Pakistan to stand against Iran, where as Pakistan sees Iran as its neighbour and a muslim country. Pakistan wants to move ahead with Iran as well as other muslim countries, KSA wants to lead and wants exit of Iran wherever KSA steps in. KSA also expects Pakistan to side with KSA, opposite Iran, in all matters. Further on that Pakistan cancels all trade deals with Iran and looks towards KSA only for its oil needs. When Pakistan doesn't give in to such demands, then Pakistan is made to suffer in different ways by pressurising tactics.

2. Israel and USA

Pakistan has drifted in China bloc, away from USA. KSA wants Pakistan aligned with USA interests, not Chinese. MBS himself regards Trump alot, but Trump knows that Pakistan and China will always be true to each other so will not pay heed to any requirements of Pakistan. KSA is dependent upon on USA and it wont be a surprise that USA wants KSA to bring Pakistan back into USA's sphere of influence. KSA thinks Israel as its neighbour and under USA's influence, KSA keeps good relations with Israel and wants Pakistan to do so. Secondly, Iran is strictly anti-Israel, and this is where Pakistan and Iran align against Israel which is a big thorn for KSA. This further shows that KSA and USA have almost similar interests.

3. Turkey, Malaysia and Qatar

Erdogan is disliked by the west, his policies are pro-Turkey and in some domains, Pro-Muslims. Turkey is poised towards the honour of serving hospitality as custodian of two holy mosques. Turkey is also getting distant from USA bloc and is becoming friendly with Russia and China. Turkey's future is seen bright through its technological advancements and Turkey wants to regain its once lost glory through economic reforms in future. Malaysia under Mahathir has progressed and Pakistan didnt attend Malaysian summit because of "friends" (KSA) which i think Pakistan will repent someday. KSA wants Pakistan to cut all ties with Qatar, though Qatar has been friendly towards Pakistan and there is a strong Pakistani community in Qatar, especially the uniformed lot.

4. China

As I previously mentioned, KSA and USA want Pakistan to stay in their sphere where China has made a strong footing inside Pakistan already through CPEC. While USA and KSA controlled Pakistan through financial aid, it is China that helped Pakistan advance technologically the most. Whether Pakistan will become a colony or dominion of Chinese empire through CPEC is yet to be seen. China sits on Pakistan's door step just like Iran where as both KSA and USA are far away and want to control Pakistan through their own interests.

Pakistan has every right to weigh every country through the lens of Kashmir - since kashmir issue is Pakistan's interest and has been subject of war and enmity with India. Those countries that stand with Pakistan on this issue and are willing to help resolve this issue through any means should be seen as only friends of Pakistan. This should also be a lesson to Pakistan that it should endeavour to get independent in all fields of progress that matters, be it science, technology, finances, military etc. Financial aid brings its own strings which hurt Pakistan;s interest at the end of the day. If Pakistan wants to be totally free from such strings, then Pakistan has to make a solid base for its development and that requires a leader who is sincere to Pakistan and its interests.

Pakistan should start to lead muslim countries, just like Turkey is aiming to do while KSA and Iran themselves have been trying to do since past many decades. Pakistan should form alliances to lead its allies, not just become part of an alliance and follow a leader. Pakistan has friendly relations with many muslim countries and Pakistan can gather them under one flag if it plays its cards right. USA, Israel and west have been capitalising far too long on the KSA-Iran divide - Pakistan should put a break on that and put forward its own interests and ask muslim nations to join it and then work jointly on their interests too.

There is no other way.
The damage afflicted by these “KSA-Iran borne fights” is minimal and is already a History now.

I don’t hear any madrassa guy going rogue anymore. Can’t say the same for Indian enforced Terrorism inside Pak which is the only Threat to Pak, As well as the direct infiltration of Indians via Iran, Iran acting openly against Pakistan. What more should I say ?

I do second you on the “Self Reliance” thing, But to get self reliant, We didn’t do that alone, Even for the Nuke program, These two Arabs countries have their sound contribution. Could Pakistan have done that all alone ? No. Resource and material supply is needed, Pakistan doesn’t enjoy a good reputation with many countries such that it can access anything from anywhere.

In this era, Money speaks, You might be the smallest brother or the man in the house, But if you have the deepest pocket, You will be given the highest attention.

KSA, Considering itself a leader, Thats a delusional topic, If KSA thinks as such, That is due to it being a Helper to many countries thanks to deep pocket as well as hosting the two holiest sites of Islam. Other than that, KSA isn’t a leader, Never war, and never can be unless it goes rogue in terms of Military.

We OTOH, Allah have given us a short window, to catch the crown, But we are busy milking these bastard politicians sitting on top of us stealing our money and busy throwing it outside, Squeezing us of our potential, Kaash Allah ne inko paida hone se Pehle hi inko inki amma samet jahannum bhejdia hota.

Time is running out, Our relevance is diminishing every passing day. Our Mighty Power prospect is also diminishing and one day we might be just another ordinary country, UNLESS WE CURB THE CORRUPTION FROM THE CORE, BE IT GOV, Army or Courts.

The day we become self sufficient, KSA, Turkey, All will be knocking on our doors, But I don’t see that happening unfortunately. Everyday my hope goes down and down for Pakistan.
 
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