Gen Tariq Khan, IG FC: We had to clear Afghan border village because NATO was MIA

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

It has been known by all and sundry that afghan war lords took money from the mujahideen who were surrounded by the russians---created a ceasefire talk about surrendering and then the mujahideen will mysteriously disappear---it was nothing new---everyone in the world and their grandma's knew about it except for Rumsfeld and his cronies---.

Tora bora was not the first place that the Hazrat Ali had asked for cease fire on behalf of al qaeda---it was the second time---. There are rumours that he got 25 or 34 mil dollars for his efforts.

Now that news was also on the live tv---I am pretty sure that like any other army headquarters of the world---pak millitray tv sets in their headquarters would also be tunred over to cnn,foxnews, msnbc, bbc etc etc etc---live coverage was everywhere---.

That is how the americans were also setting up their troop movements at times. We all know that the americans screwed up royally at tora bora---with all their grandiose plans, pomp and pageantry and with all the ra ra ra of the american millitary might, they fell face first into the sh--it and muck of afghan treachery. We all saw that happening---it was in front of our very own eyes.

Was the pak millitary blind at that time---or did it chose to cover its face like the americans did on the otherside of the border---it seems like that,when the americans let OBL escape tora bora, the pak millitary assessed that the americans didnot want to kill him or arrest him---if they wanted him bad enough, they had two oppurtunites in afg and one in sudan. So---possibly, based on that assumption, they decided to play it on the same tune that the americans were doing---let it roll---if the need be, we will get him, ie if the pressure is increased, we will find him, he cannot go too far.

Slides is acting silly again----when the al qaeda were escaping through tora bora, they had only a very limited amount of room to maneuver---they didnot have the ability or the capability of going from this side and coming out 500 miles somewhere else. For them it was the shortest possible route out of tora bora.

The high mountain peaks had snow, the al qaeda were very poorly equipped, hardly and winter clothings, barley any food, most of them were starving skeletons, and most of them without any weapons---they could not go too far from the regular terrain---there was no way possible for them and on the other side was pak millitary and FC---they made multiple arrests---it would not be an exception that somebody let obl go by.

The border maybe a thousand miles long and there maybe a thousand and one points of entry and exit----but once the escapees took one entry point---they exit point would also be in the periphery of that region---so slides---don't let the closing door hit you on the way out.

It is a positive that pak millitary was furious at the u s for letting obl escape when they had him cornered two times in afgh--within days---they were fuming at the incompetence of the american forces and leadership---and then when india made a move on the pak borders with a self styled fake encounter, the lid was blown off pak generals patience---they would have said---scr-ew the u s---scr-ew them all---they care less for us---in that time of uncertainty, they did the same as the americans did on the other side of the border---let obl go by---.

The issue was that now the americans had dumped their sh-it in our backyard---because their sh-it collectors---the afghans ---hazrat ali's forces went on a leave of absence at the most oppurtune moment---the u s spec forces were sitting helplessly watching the al qaeda operative disappear into the far mountains---the pak millitary made one of the worst ever decisions that they could ever indulge into---they were mad at the world's no reaction of india's invasion, they were mad at america's no reaction at india invasion---so they possibly let obl walk away---paks were mad at the world for their indifference to afgh.

 

[sonicboom]

Obviously you, MastanKhan, and sonciboom have all the information based on Western media and CIA reports!

Give me a break.

Slides:
Yes Sir! You got that right? No doubt that we work smartly. Come on and join us and be smart? Why to hang around with losers? Have you not heard that Urdu saying, “ kherboza ku deekh ker kherboza raang pekerta hai’? We will teach you how to do google.

And you are execused.

 

[abbasniazi]

A part from what he said, I like his personality and way of speech, the guy is good.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Hi,

It has been known by all and sundry that afghan war lords took money from the mujahideen who were surrounded by the russians---created a ceasefire talk about surrendering and then the mujahideen will mysteriously disappear---it was nothing new---everyone in the world and their grandma's knew about it except for Rumsfeld and his cronies---.

Tora bora was not the first place that the Hazrat Ali had asked for cease fire on behalf of al qaeda---it was the second time---. There are rumours that he got 25 or 34 mil dollars for his efforts.

Now that news was also on the live tv---I am pretty sure that like any other army headquarters of the world---pak millitray tv sets in their headquarters would also be tunred over to cnn,foxnews, msnbc, bbc etc etc etc---live coverage was everywhere---.

That is how the americans were also setting up their troop movements at times. We all know that the americans screwed up royally at tora bora---with all their grandiose plans, pomp and pageantry and with all the ra ra ra of the american millitary might, they fell face first into the sh--it and muck of afghan treachery. We all saw that happening---it was in front of our very own eyes.

Was the pak millitary blind at that time---or did it chose to cover its face like the americans did on the otherside of the border---it seems like that,when the americans let OBL escape tora bora, the pak millitary assessed that the americans didnot want to kill him or arrest him---if they wanted him bad enough, they had two oppurtunites in afg and one in sudan. So---possibly, based on that assumption, they decided to play it on the same tune that the americans were doing---let it roll---if the need be, we will get him, ie if the pressure is increased, we will find him, he cannot go too far.

Slides is acting silly again----when the al qaeda were escaping through tora bora, they had only a very limited amount of room to maneuver---they didnot have the ability or the capability of going from this side and coming out 500 miles somewhere else. For them it was the shortest possible route out of tora bora.

The high mountain peaks had snow, the al qaeda were very poorly equipped, hardly and winter clothings, barley any food, most of them were starving skeletons, and most of them without any weapons---they could not go too far from the regular terrain---there was no way possible for them and on the other side was pak millitary and FC---they made multiple arrests---it would not be an exception that somebody let obl go by.

The border maybe a thousand miles long and there maybe a thousand and one points of entry and exit----but once the escapees took one entry point---they exit point would also be in the periphery of that region---so slides---don't let the closing door hit you on the way out.

It is a positive that pak millitary was furious at the u s for letting obl escape when they had him cornered two times in afgh--within days---they were fuming at the incompetence of the american forces and leadership---and then when india made a move on the pak borders with a self styled fake encounter, the lid was blown off pak generals patience---they would have said---scr-ew the u s---scr-ew them all---they care less for us---in that time of uncertainty, they did the same as the americans did on the other side of the border---let obl go by---.

The issue was that now the americans had dumped their sh-it in our backyard---because their sh-it collectors---the afghans ---hazrat ali's forces went on a leave of absence at the most oppurtune moment---the u s spec forces were sitting helplessly watching the al qaeda operative disappear into the far mountains---the pak millitary made one of the worst ever decisions that they could ever indulge into---they were mad at the world's no reaction of india's invasion, they were mad at america's no reaction at india invasion---so they possibly let obl walk away---paks were mad at the world for their indifference to afgh.

military was not deployed at that time around the border to secure it, it was just FC and the mountains opposing tora bora are the most notorious among all. And FC is not that much equipped as it is now. I was living at that time in an FC camp and am very well aware of their capabilities of that time. Securing such border is no easy task. Indian Army with all its resources and manpower and huge investment in the infrastructure to develop electrified fences and multi tier security layers is still not able to 100% blockade the infiltration of Mujaheddin across LOC.

And at that time Army HQs had no access to live CNN, Fox News, CNBC, BBC etc etc the way nowadays it is seen in every home, that was a different time.

And OBL had a lot of local contacts & familiarity especially in this area as this area is opposite to Kurram Agency where OBL and his mentor operated from during the Soviet Afghan War and had basis and used to spend most of their time here. So having a past connection to this area, knowing this area for decade would have given them a good knowledge of the spots to cross the border. Neither there were air assets or night vision goggles to look into the night, giving a perfect opportunity to cross over.

Just go to Google Earth and have a look at this area, the mountains and its heights will give you an idea of how easy it is to cross over.

And these areas have such extreme cold that troops can't stay there 24/7 for 365 days, in winter places become unbearable to live which are emptied as supporting troops at these heights is not easy, especially when they are para-military troops with no air support or gear to withstand such extreme temperatures.

Rumsfeld and other US officials had a very good idea of the nature of the Afghan Warlords they were working with, they had past experience of Soviet Afghan War with them and by the time they reached tora bora, nearly 2 months of joint operations they had done with these warlords, giving a perfect overview of their hungry nature.

And can you plz tell how many Afghan Taliban Commanders, mid level or top level, AQ mid level or top level the US forces have killed or captured in Afghanistan in the past 8 years of war ?? If someone says they are in Pakistan, that is BS, as such commanders are in Afghanistan leading the foot taliban in battling US occupied forces, as foot soldiers can't do actions with their commanders sitting hundreds of miles away nor such things can be done with satellite phones which can be intercepted by NSA, CIA or whoever does that work.

It was the responsibility of US forces to have hunted down OBL, especially when he was surrounded, he was their enemy#1 at that time, so instead of relying on hired mercenaries, US should have committed their forces for eliminating US enemy#1, while not having done so and relying on hired mercenaries it is clear that the US govt was not serious in eliminating OBL and deliberately let him go. Also, OBL was in Jalalabad till mid of November, the US assault started around 5-6th October, how many serious attempts did the US forces or intelligence agencies did to take out OBL before he moved to tora bora ??

So pointing fingers at us is easy, but the attitude of US govt and its security apparatus in conducting this war is very easily neglected to put the blame squarely onto Pakistan.

Recent offensives by Pakistan security forces & the success clearly shows that when PA shows seriousness, it can do the job. Its now turn of US and its allied nations occupying Afghanistan to show what they can do, other then leaving their security outposts along the border or emptying bases & provinces to let taliban capture them and then show the world the abandoned bases and leftover ammo.

 

[Slides]

Slides:
Yes Sir! You got that right? No doubt that we work smartly. Come on and join us and be smart? Why to hang around with losers? Have you not heard that Urdu saying, “ kherboza ku deekh ker kherboza raang pekerta hai’? We will teach you how to do google.

And you are execused.

Hey, did you also buy the CIA's story about Iraqi WMDs? Google told me this too.

Where do I apply to be part of your smart group and your years of intel gathering experience on Google and CNN?

 

[All-Green]

Hi,

It has been known by all and sundry that afghan war lords took money from the mujahideen who were surrounded by the russians---created a ceasefire talk about surrendering and then the mujahideen will mysteriously disappear---it was nothing new---everyone in the world and their grandma's knew about it except for Rumsfeld and his cronies---.

Tora bora was not the first place that the Hazrat Ali had asked for cease fire on behalf of al qaeda---it was the second time---. There are rumours that he got 25 or 34 mil dollars for his efforts.

Now that news was also on the live tv---I am pretty sure that like any other army headquarters of the world---pak millitray tv sets in their headquarters would also be tunred over to cnn,foxnews, msnbc, bbc etc etc etc---live coverage was everywhere---.

That is how the americans were also setting up their troop movements at times. We all know that the americans screwed up royally at tora bora---with all their grandiose plans, pomp and pageantry and with all the ra ra ra of the american millitary might, they fell face first into the sh--it and muck of afghan treachery. We all saw that happening---it was in front of our very own eyes.

Was the pak millitary blind at that time---or did it chose to cover its face like the americans did on the otherside of the border---it seems like that,when the americans let OBL escape tora bora, the pak millitary assessed that the americans didnot want to kill him or arrest him---if they wanted him bad enough, they had two oppurtunites in afg and one in sudan. So---possibly, based on that assumption, they decided to play it on the same tune that the americans were doing---let it roll---if the need be, we will get him, ie if the pressure is increased, we will find him, he cannot go too far.

Slides is acting silly again----when the al qaeda were escaping through tora bora, they had only a very limited amount of room to maneuver---they didnot have the ability or the capability of going from this side and coming out 500 miles somewhere else. For them it was the shortest possible route out of tora bora.

The high mountain peaks had snow, the al qaeda were very poorly equipped, hardly and winter clothings, barley any food, most of them were starving skeletons, and most of them without any weapons---they could not go too far from the regular terrain---there was no way possible for them and on the other side was pak millitary and FC---they made multiple arrests---it would not be an exception that somebody let obl go by.

The border maybe a thousand miles long and there maybe a thousand and one points of entry and exit----but once the escapees took one entry point---they exit point would also be in the periphery of that region---so slides---don't let the closing door hit you on the way out.

It is a positive that pak millitary was furious at the u s for letting obl escape when they had him cornered two times in afgh--within days---they were fuming at the incompetence of the american forces and leadership---and then when india made a move on the pak borders with a self styled fake encounter, the lid was blown off pak generals patience---they would have said---scr-ew the u s---scr-ew them all---they care less for us---in that time of uncertainty, they did the same as the americans did on the other side of the border---let obl go by---.

The issue was that now the americans had dumped their sh-it in our backyard---because their sh-it collectors---the afghans ---hazrat ali's forces went on a leave of absence at the most oppurtune moment---the u s spec forces were sitting helplessly watching the al qaeda operative disappear into the far mountains---the pak millitary made one of the worst ever decisions that they could ever indulge into---they were mad at the world's no reaction of india's invasion, they were mad at america's no reaction at india invasion---so they possibly let obl walk away---paks were mad at the world for their indifference to afgh.

MK

The periphery is 100s of km of mountains full of many passes where a desperate band of 5-10 people stand at least a 5-10% chance of surviving even if they take the difficult routes and have loyal supporters in Afghanistan...we cannot claim that there was zero probability of survival of OBL had he taken any other route than the shortest one into FATA which is only hypothetically assumed to be the one he took...
Now coming to the route and the precise manner of the escape, that too is unclear to all.
So basically if the surrounding forces themselves are not certain that leaves us much less aware of the circumstances at that point in time...

In an ideal scenario FC should have had the best of weapons, resources and reconnaissance equipment but it was at best a militia to help manage a semi autonomous part of Pakistan and certainly a country like Pakistan could not afford to spend billions on FC and make it akin to SSG, we could only use the tools at our disposal.
Now i am not trying to downplay FC, i am just saying that even as recent as Bajaur we discovered that TTP had better sniper rifles, gear and wireless equipment than even our regular Army so what to say of FC and that too in 2001...
FC was manning its posts but it had no night fighting equipment or reconnaissance gear except binoculars, whereas Al Qaeda had each and every modern gadget that money can buy for an insurgent...not only were they well versed with the terrain since decades but had sympathizers or people who could have been paid....not to mention they were no more than 20-30 at maximum.
They could have gone north or south along the border and have chosen any small path to infiltrate into FATA from Kurram, Khyber or Mehmand agency...they may not even have crossed but remained in the border mountains with help from friends and crossed over at a later time or even moved back into Afghanistan....who knows....

Without specific intel Pakistan could not have prevented it or maybe FC did prevent it but how can you prove it as true or false?
Maybe they attempted to cross but the attempt was thwarted by FC and then they moved back into Afghanistan or maybe stayed in the border region between the two countries...maybe they did come in undetected at night or using a tough unconventional route not covered by FC...with so many ifs and buts and still no sign or even trace of OBL i am not convinced that we should call PA reluctant to act against OBL...i am sure we never ever wanted this twisted man in our country but the chance of prevention was low even if we had taken many other measures...

At the end of the day we went east to fight a looming war and the focus was naturally not intense on the western border...
I do not say that we are the best ever and so cannot make any mistakes...i am merely saying that when i hear every other day about do more from even the so called moderate Hillary then i feel very angry and frustrated that why we should blame our military for failure to capture OBL when the best equipped operators were overseeing the hunt for OBL and failed to capture him...who went to war in order to capture OBL and who then let him slip away due to tactical or strategic errors?
When we are blamed for this we should stand firm and give a frank and honest answer...it was not our primary failure because we were not the hunters at that time...it was not our mission and there were far better equipped forces dealing with OBL in Afghanistan...
The fact is that OBL has become a ghost and has not been traced in either Afghanistan or Pakistan despite many US assets in both these countries and ISI also hunting for him...he is a hate worthy man but he is damn good at being elusive and one extremely difficult prey to catch...

 

[Slides]

Hi,

It has been known by all and sundry that afghan war lords took money from the mujahideen who were surrounded by the russians---created a ceasefire talk about surrendering and then the mujahideen will mysteriously disappear---it was nothing new---everyone in the world and their grandma's knew about it except for Rumsfeld and his cronies---.

Tora bora was not the first place that the Hazrat Ali had asked for cease fire on behalf of al qaeda---it was the second time---. There are rumours that he got 25 or 34 mil dollars for his efforts.

Now that news was also on the live tv---I am pretty sure that like any other army headquarters of the world---pak millitray tv sets in their headquarters would also be tunred over to cnn,foxnews, msnbc, bbc etc etc etc---live coverage was everywhere---.

That is how the americans were also setting up their troop movements at times. We all know that the americans screwed up royally at tora bora---with all their grandiose plans, pomp and pageantry and with all the ra ra ra of the american millitary might, they fell face first into the sh--it and muck of afghan treachery. We all saw that happening---it was in front of our very own eyes.

Was the pak millitary blind at that time---or did it chose to cover its face like the americans did on the otherside of the border---it seems like that,when the americans let OBL escape tora bora, the pak millitary assessed that the americans didnot want to kill him or arrest him---if they wanted him bad enough, they had two oppurtunites in afg and one in sudan. So---possibly, based on that assumption, they decided to play it on the same tune that the americans were doing---let it roll---if the need be, we will get him, ie if the pressure is increased, we will find him, he cannot go too far.

Slides is acting silly again----when the al qaeda were escaping through tora bora, they had only a very limited amount of room to maneuver---they didnot have the ability or the capability of going from this side and coming out 500 miles somewhere else. For them it was the shortest possible route out of tora bora.

The high mountain peaks had snow, the al qaeda were very poorly equipped, hardly and winter clothings, barley any food, most of them were starving skeletons, and most of them without any weapons---they could not go too far from the regular terrain---there was no way possible for them and on the other side was pak millitary and FC---they made multiple arrests---it would not be an exception that somebody let obl go by.

The border maybe a thousand miles long and there maybe a thousand and one points of entry and exit----but once the escapees took one entry point---they exit point would also be in the periphery of that region---so slides---don't let the closing door hit you on the way out.

It is a positive that pak millitary was furious at the u s for letting obl escape when they had him cornered two times in afgh--within days---they were fuming at the incompetence of the american forces and leadership---and then when india made a move on the pak borders with a self styled fake encounter, the lid was blown off pak generals patience---they would have said---scr-ew the u s---scr-ew them all---they care less for us---in that time of uncertainty, they did the same as the americans did on the other side of the border---let obl go by---.

The issue was that now the americans had dumped their sh-it in our backyard---because their sh-it collectors---the afghans ---hazrat ali's forces went on a leave of absence at the most oppurtune moment---the u s spec forces were sitting helplessly watching the al qaeda operative disappear into the far mountains---the pak millitary made one of the worst ever decisions that they could ever indulge into---they were mad at the world's no reaction of india's invasion, they were mad at america's no reaction at india invasion---so they possibly let obl walk away---paks were mad at the world for their indifference to afgh.

Please read history of FATA and tribal area politics and the agreements the tribes had with Pakistan which would not have allowed for sudden movement of troops (if that was even possible in short notice and no logistics base) without the tribes agreement. It took months to get agreement from some tribes to let FC go beyond the towns and main roads and regular army even enter FATA (2002).

Your course of action would have triggered civil war like 71 right then and there against every major tribe if PA had invaded FATA for Osama without consulting tribes. 2001 was a much different time where Osama was still a hero.

 

[All-Green]

And OBL had a lot of local contacts & familiarity especially in this area as this area is opposite to Kurram Agency where OBL and his mentor operated from during the Soviet Afghan War and had basis and used to spend most of their time here. So having a past connection to this area, knowing this area for decade would have given them a good knowledge of the spots to cross the border. Neither there were air assets or night vision goggles to look into the night, giving a perfect opportunity to cross over.

Just go to Google Earth and have a look at this area, the mountains and its heights will give you an idea of how easy it is to cross over.

Excellent post and i agree with this part wholeheartedly since my father was training Afghans in Parachinar area during the Soviet war and previously also served in Mehmand agency leading a formation of FC there...this area needs to be seen to realize the headache FC would have had especially with the weather and the size of the force they were supposed to block amidst all the chaos and with their limited capabilities due to equipment....

Also i had taken excellent snaps on google earth highlighting the area under discussion but do not seem to have the right to paste them so i guess that effort was in vain...

 

[TaimiKhan]

Also i had taken excellent snaps on google earth highlighting the area under discussion but do not seem to have the right to paste them so i guess that effort was in vain...

save the snapshots, load them on any image posting server and paste the link here.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Why would the americans capture any taliban leaders or any warlords when they can dump them all on us to be blamed later. We were setup right from the word go---Rumsfeld was amongst the most deceitful personale in that cabinet---. I mean to say that after you are done talking to Rumsfeld---you might look down if you still had your pants on---the man lied through his teeth.

Gen Musharraf openly stated on world media that pak had to move troops from afgh border to indian border, ' that is why we could not pursue the al qaeda '---pak millitary was arresting fleeing al qaeda operatives left and right at that time on the border---and people want to say that there was nobody---what a joke.

If pak millitary headquarters didnot have live feed news tv coverage of cnn, foxnews and msnbc at that time---then you have brought up another problem with the pak millitary's operational assessment and capabilities at that time---which again would show that the pak generals heads were deeper in the sand as was anticipated, if such was the case.

All through the GW 1, the u s waged its war through CNN---all the targets of oppurtunity in the cities were visible through live feed of cnn and other news media---if a country like the u s had to depend on news networks in 1990's, why would pak millitary stay behind.

What it all comes down is that the americans intentionally let all and sundry escape to pakistan---they knew that pak may not be doing much with the heirarchy---that would let them setup pak as the fall guy for any problems that might occur later on. For reasons known better to them, they didnot seem to want to kill obl or Mullah Omar---Mullah Omar escaped riding pillion on a yamaha or was it a kawasaki, out of kandhar---obl and entourage escapes to the base of tora bora in his double cabin toyota trucks and then walks away to disappear forever.

Pak millitary history is full of watershed incidences where there have been no pro active actions taken against targets of oppurtunity at crtical stages---all the generals were thinking of was saving their skins---eg siachen---the reports of indian troop movements were squashed or nobody cared less---or no one could join the dots---missile boat attack on karachi port in 71 when the reports were in of a naval vessel towing boats behind it---allowing permission to fly to the Atlantique air craft towards the india border without air escort right after kargil---change of generals right in the middle of war so that the favourite may get the kudos---.

There is a sickening incompetence in the decision makers and heirarchy---generals who influence everything---off course there are good officers as well---but they don't have much say---they try to retire with dignity and go out silently and Gen Alwai and then they get executed---.

People want to protect pak millitary heirarchy as if the generals are made of soft tissue paper---it is very difficult to acknowledge that the people you respected the most, the people that you cherished the most, the people whom you worshipped like the gods--are actually mere human beings made up of flesh and bones---we believe that our demigods cannot commit any wrong---that they are above and beyond any reproach---and all the excuses that are being put forward over here for their lack of vision would protect them---oh well, it will protect them form us civilians---.

It is amazing to see so many people coming to the rescue----All I am trying to do is to let you people understand that these generals of the army are nobody's SACRED COWS---they are answerable to a higher authority---AND THAT HIGHER AUTHORITY IS ME AND YOU---we expect them to be understanding of the ever changing time and tide---that is what their job is and that is what is required of them.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi Allgreen,

Thankyou for your post. The point of entry was visible---it was being broadcast by cnn and all the newsmedia---the al qaeda were in a terrible shape---no rest---no food---hardly any clothing---there only salvation was the shortest possible direct route to pakistan---as pak millitary had trained the muj, they would have been very well informed about the proximity of the exit points---.

The al qaeda ie OBL entourage didnot have the physical ability left in them at tora bora to diversify their course and approach---otherwise they would have frozen to death.

There would have been no uprising like the 71---71 was an outside army fighting a war in a different land---there are no similiar comparisons. Every body wants to scare the center that 71 will happen again.

Truthfully---if it would have been possible for the pak army---they could have gone into afgh before the start of the war and taken out OBL---that would have been a cheaper and more convenient option.

The bottomline is that the writing was on the wall---it was right in front of our eyes for what pakistan was in for---to me it came as no surprise---as slide said that I should have been working for someone else--I should have been---but guess what----there were people working for the FBI who told their higher up about the hijackers and nobody cared.

It takes more than someone telling you something in advance---it takes you to have the vision and understanding to interpret what is coming on.

That is where the pak millitary, the pak politicians and the pak public failed.

 

[sonicboom]

Hey, did you also buy the CIA's story about Iraqi WMDs? Google told me this too.

Where do I apply to be part of your smart group and your years of intel gathering experience on Google and CNN?

No, not at all. Google is just a dumb platform that displays the requested information whether right or wrong. It’s up to one to use his/her brain to decipher the right information.

Joining our group is very simple and easy. All we require that you request (i.e., do a safarish) Mr. Taimikhan to throw few Thank awards toward me and mastankhan and that’s it. After that you will be initiated in our group.

Hey, how do you know that I watch CNN? Are you spying on me? Quit doing that.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Than what is YOUR point? OBL escaped because of US stupidity. Pakistan is not the thekedaar of Al Qaeda and we have done the best we can considering our resources and political issues. We have made mistakes, but have learned from them also in past 8 years. End of story.

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Obviously you, MastanKhan, and sonciboom have all the information based on Western media and CIA reports!

Give me a break.

Sir drink a glass of ICY water and listen to me...
You seem to be quite panicked...U.S. did not do mistake..they never wanted to do "certain" things...I never said PA was sitting on eggs during last 8 years...I said yes they were fighting but some of their(generals) strategies were not right...Now please do not say that they were right..if they were than our country would be in different shape now...
I recommend you to read all the post and than reply....

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

With this new plan that Obama has, pak might get in more trouble. There will be issues coming up regarding permission for drone strikes in baluchistan---from there, it might escalate further into the unknown---we think that the times now are bad---and I tell pakistanis that they haven't yet seen what bad is.

The situation is going to get worse before it stabilizes---Obama and singh have come to a certain agreement and right after Singh leaves, Obama came up with the troop increase, even though it may have been in process, but the timing is auspicious.

So---you young folks, you better pray that the pak generals have done enough---the time of excuses is no more---the time of he said / she said is going going going gone.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Hi,

With this new plan that Obama has, pak might get in more trouble. There will be issues coming up regarding permission for drone strikes in baluchistan---from there, it might escalate further into the unknown---we think that the times now are bad---and I tell pakistanis that they haven't yet seen what bad is.

The situation is going to get worse before it stabilizes---Obama and singh have come to a certain agreement and right after Singh leaves, Obama came up with the troop increase, even though it may have been in process, but the timing is auspicious.

So---you young folks, you better pray that the pak generals have done enough---the time of excuses is no more---the time of he said / she said is going going going gone.

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