Gen Petraeus Debunks Allegations of Duplicity Against Pakistan

[Indus Pakistan]

You did not answer my question. How is recognition of Israel > Blasphemy

How will it be national blasphemy. Do you know what blasphemy means? Does the Quran forbid recognition of Israel? Foreign policy is not decided by theology or else China would be declared 'blasphemer' for bein a official athiest state. That mean's China as a state refuses to accept Allah's existance let alone submission.

 

[Desertfalcon]

Gen. Petraeus is a great military commander and was an early recognizer of our faulty tactics in Iraq, and corrected them, but I would much rather have him as Defence Secretary rather than at State. The problem with him at State is the same one with Sen. Corker, Gov. Romney and Amb. Bolton heading that department; they are all "interventionists" with Cold War , very anti-Russian, mentalities that are at odds with so many of President-elect Trump's foreign policy positions. America needs a dramatic, foreign policy reset that matches what candidate Trump voiced over and over again, during the campaign.

p.s., I am a conservative who did not vote for Mr. Trump but agree with many of his foreign policy ideas.

 

[TMA]

You did not answer my question. How is recognition of Israel > Blasphemy

In Holy Israel, politics was not separated from religion. In Holy Israel, God's law was recognized as supreme and God was recognized as Sovereign. In imposter Israel this is not the case. If Pakistan were to recognize Israel on the Holy Land she would be falling prey to Dajjal's messianic mission which is to get mankind to worship him ( and one of steps is recognition of Israel).

Read and watch Imran Hosein for further details.

China not accepting God's existence, well China does not claim to be Holy Israel. If China made such a claim, I would also insist Pakistan to not recognize her. But of course China will not and cannot make such a claim.

 

[RiazHaq]

Dangerous Doval Doctrine: #Balochistan vs #Kashmir | Frontline. #India #Pakistan #Modi #BJP http://www.frontline.in/the-nation/balochistan-vs-kashmir/article9373742.ece …

The pursuit of a tit-for-tat diplomacy will not get India anywhere because Balochistan and Kashmir are not on a par, legally and politically. The time has come for India to drop the Baloch card and work for the settlement of Kashmir. By A.G. NOORANI
“PAKISTAN’s vulnerabilities are many times higher than us [sic]. Once they know that India has shifted gear from defensive mode to defensive-offence, they will find that it is unaffordable for them. You may do one Mumbai, you may lose Balochistan,” Ajit Doval, now Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s National Security Adviser, said at the 10th Nani Palkhivala Memorial Lecture at Sastra University, Thanjavur, on February 21, 2014. This was three months before he became NSA and the Manmohan Singh government was still in power.

The shock this Doval Doctrine of “defensive-offence” induced precluded any cool analysis of its implications (see the writer’s “The Doval doctrine”, Frontline, November 13, 2015). Doval was advocating a diplomacy of tit for tat with full knowledge of the perils it entailed, not least among them being the risk of matters getting out of hand in the retaliatory ladder of escalation. This becomes apparent when one moves from the doctrine to the specific, Balochistan.

Whoever perpetrated the Mumbai attacks committed a dastardly crime. But at no time did India ever allege that Pakistan’s top leaders were complicit in it. Is it not a wholly disproportionate retaliation to secure the detachment of one of Pakistan’s four provinces? Would its leaders, civil and military, sit back with folded hands when this is being attempted? And the Great Powers in the “Security Council”, especially China, which now has a stake in Balolchistan? And, pray, how does Doval propose to detach Balochistan? By military invasion? Far from it. Our “intelligence commando” has other plans whose elements are no secret. He proposes to do this by fomenting subversion through covert action. He could not possibly have made the claim (“you may lose Balochistan”) unless India had acquired significant “assets” there—as they are called in the idiom of covert operations—over the years. They cannot be acquired instantly. It is these existing assets, acquired, trained and funded over the years, which emboldened Doval to speak as confidently as he did.

 

[Tiger Genie]

Pakistan's fate is in its own hands - even when it comes to international relations. If they shift strategy to be a responsible state that is focused on development economics rather regional rabble rousing, the international scorn (no, it is not press created, it is Pakistan created) will turn to international interest and cooperation.

 

[T-Rex]

Pakistan's fate is in its own hands - even when it comes to international relations. If they shift strategy to be a responsible state that is focused on development economics rather regional rabble rousing, the international scorn (no, it is not press created, it is Pakistan created) will turn to international interest and cooperation.

Shameless rants from RSS terrorists!

 

[Sully3]

Look at the question of the Afghani PHD student

Really? i find it hilarious these Afghanis try to blame all their problems on ISI.

the country will always be doomed till it blames all its problems on the outsiders.

Pakistan's fate is in its own hands - even when it comes to international relations. If they shift strategy to be a responsible state that is focused on development economics rather regional rabble rousing, the international scorn (no, it is not press created, it is Pakistan created) will turn to international interest and cooperation.

problem is Afghanistan is a failed state who's public over the last 5 years have decided to label all their problems as being created by ISI. this is what the media and social media is feeding the average afghani, forget about the 30+ years of infighting between war lords, forget that the economy is based on Opuim, they want to forget that Taliban actually is an Afghani political reality who has alot of support outside Kabul, forget that southern Afg is dominated by Iranian agendas. All the Afg are good for is blame Pakistan and ISI for their problems.

 

[Tiger Genie]

Shameless rants from RSS terrorists!

I don't know about RSS but I am quite ashamed of how Pakistan has been behaving with us. For over a decade they took our money under false pretense and used it against us so I'd certainly like to see PAK make efforts to change and act responsibly.

If that sounds like a rant, you do not know what you're talking about

 

[LeGenD]

In Holy Israel, politics was not separated from religion. In Holy Israel, God's law was recognized as supreme and God was recognized as Sovereign. In imposter Israel this is not the case. If Pakistan were to recognize Israel on the Holy Land she would be falling prey to Dajjal's messianic mission which is to get mankind to worship him ( and one of steps is recognition of Israel).

Read and watch Imran Hosein for further details.

China not accepting God's existence, well China does not claim to be Holy Israel. If China made such a claim, I would also insist Pakistan to not recognize her. But of course China will not and cannot make such a claim.

Are you aware of the hadith that suggests that Dajjal will emerge from Khorasan?

For reference: https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah/36/147

And Iranian Jews will be his main followers: https://sunnah.com/riyadussaliheen/19/5

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Are you aware of the hadith that suggests that Dajjal will emerge from Khorasan?

For reference: https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah/36/147

And Iranian Jews will be his main followers: https://sunnah.com/riyadussaliheen/19/5

And please tell me you don't believe this or do you?

 

[LeGenD]

And please tell me you don't believe this or do you?

My intention is to dispel the narrative that the state of Israel has a connection with the phenomenon of Dajjal. Some Islamic scholars are spreading this falsehood to fuel enmity between Israel and the Islamic bloc at large.

According to a hadith, Dajjal is expected to emerge from somewhere in Khorasan. And he will mobilize (Iranian) Jews for his cause.

Now coming to the main point, there is nothing wrong with recognizing Israel. If anything, Pakistan stands to gain from it.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

"I looked very very hard then (as US commander in Afghanistan) and again as CIA director at the nature of the relationship between the various (militant) groups in FATA and Baluchistan and the Pakistan Army and the ISI and I was never convinced of what certain journalists have alleged (about ISI support of militant groups in FATA).... I have talked to them (journalists) asked them what their sources are and I have not been able to come to grips with that based on what I know from these different positions (as US commander and CIA director)".

He's stated something many commentators on PDF and other platforms have been arguing for years, that the 'investigative reporting' by journalists like Christine Fair, Carlotta Gall etc alleging 'Pakistani complicity in the terrorist attacks in Afghanistan' was shoddy, poorly sourced with heavy reliance on biased sources and wild assumptions (the ISI/PA MUST have known rather than any credible evidence establishing that the PA/ISI knew and/or were complicit).

 

[Indus Pakistan]

@LeGenD Thanks. Find it distressing when Pakistani's who appear to be educated say thngs that turn reason on it's gead. Talking of that I just googled @Tiger Genie signature. You know the -

"Nixon: I want the Indians blamed for this, We can't let these goddamn, sanctimonious Indians get away with this. They've pissed on us on Vietnam for 5 years, Henry.Kissinger: Well, we don't know the facts yet. But I'm sure they're not as stupid as the West Pakistanis"

Which he has extracted from this > https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/nixon/e7/48542.htm but he has conveniently overlooked other comments there. Some gems are -

"Nixon: But these Indians are cowards. Right?


Kissinger: Right. But with Russian backing. You see, the Russians have sent notes to Iran, Turkey, to a lot of countries threatening them. The Russians have played a miserable game."

And

"Nixon: And what do we do? Here they are raping and murdering, and they talk about West Pakistan, these Indians are pretty vicious in there, aren’t they?
Kissinger: Absolutely.


Nixon: Aren’t they killing a lot of these people?

Kissinger: Well, we don’t know the facts yet. But I’m sure [unclear] that they’re not as stupid as the West Pakistanis—they don’t let the press in. The idiot Paks have the press all over their place.

Nixon: Well, the Indians did, oh yes. They brought them in, had pictures of spare tanks and all the rest. Brilliant. Brilliant public relations.

Kissinger: Yeah, but they don’t let them in where the civilians are.

Nixon: Oh, I know. But they let them in to take the good shots. The poor, damn Paks don’t let them in at all.

Kissinger: Or into the wrong places.

Nixon: Yeah.

Kissinger: The Paks just don’t have the subtlety of the Indians.

Nixon: Well, they don’t lie. The Indians lie. Incidentally, did Irwin carry out my order to call in the Indian Ambassador?

Kissinger: Oh, yeah. Yeah.

So if @Tiger Genie believes his signature that Paks are 'stupid' then he ought to accept rest of Kissinger's rant

* Indians are cowards
*I ndian's are liars
* Indian's are rapists

 

[Solomon2]

He's stated something many commentators on PDF and other platforms have been arguing for years, that the 'investigative reporting' by journalists like Christine Fair, Carlotta Gall etc alleging 'Pakistani complicity in the terrorist attacks in Afghanistan' was shoddy, poorly sourced with heavy reliance on biased sources and wild assumptions (the ISI/PA MUST have known rather than any credible evidence establishing that the PA/ISI knew and/or were complicit).

Some reason that over the decades since the 1965 war Pakistan has become more and more skilled in hiding its duplicity, especially from the U.S. Naturally this is a weak argument, for even if you can point to such a process it still means you can't definitively finger Pakistan as the culprit in specific instances.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

This story about Gen Petraeus debunking duplicity allegations against Pakistan has not been picked up by the mainstream media, particularly the western media.

It seems to me that the media doesn't report what it doesn't like. In this case, the media doesn't like Gen Petraeus' remarks because he is highly critical of the journalists' reporting about Afghanistan when he says " "I looked very very hard then (as US commander in Afghanistan) and again as CIA director at the nature of the relationship between the various (militant) groups in FATA and Baluchistan and the Pakistan Army and the ISI and I was never convinced of what certain journalists have alleged (about ISI support of militant groups in FATA).... I have talked to them (journalists) asked them what their sources are and I have not been able to come to grips with that based on what I know from these different positions (as US commander and CIA director)".

The general has essentially undermined the entire premise of the media narrative about the alleged complicity of Pakistani military and ISI in supporting militancy in Afghanistan.


http://www.riazhaq.com/2016/11/gen-petraeus-debunks-allegations-of.html

Many a time, Pakistani members have confirmed the media narrative here on PDF,
but these PDFers may be clueless bullshitters of course.