Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

[Dalit]

LOL look at our fellow Americans. They are busy transporting weaponry to the Middle East. What a just and wonderful Americans.

US sends Air Force ‘Warthogs’ to Middle East as conflict in Gaza intensifies

www.stripes.com

 

[RescueRanger]

The impossibility of a stolen moment as Israeli bombs rain on Gaza​

They say no news is good news, but for the people of Gaza under war, no news can spell the end.

"We set up the mattresses on the floor, making sure to drag them well away from the windows" [Maram Humaid/Al Jazeera]

By Maram Humaid Published On 12 Oct 202312 Oct 2023

Gaza City – Last night, things were quiet for a few hours. The constant air attacks seemed to pause and we felt a cautious relief.

We thought perhaps a short ceasefire had been reached, but we didn’t have any internet, so we couldn’t confirm.

A little later, a cousin managed to catch an internet signal and shouted happily: “Al-Qassam has released a mother and her children!”

That raised our hopes, too. If Hamas’s armed wing had released a hostage and her children to the Israelis, maybe this goodwill gesture would bring about at least a pause in the relentless attacks.

We all rushed to him, huddling around his mobile to see the news ourselves.

Connectivity was still bad, so someone dusted off an old radio and fiddled with its dials until we got some reception, but even the radio station didn’t seem to have much news beyond the hostage release.

The mothers uttered sighs of relief and sent up quick prayers that the war might end soon or that a ceasefire would be reached.

With a little more hope and energy in us after this news, we, the mothers, started getting the kids ready for bed.

We set up the mattresses on the floor, making sure to drag them well away from the windows so shattering glass wouldn’t hurt our babies if a bomb landed close enough to blow them out. Better safe than sorry.

After the kids fell asleep, we sat a little way away from them, chatting. I think in the back of our minds we were wondering if this calm was a ceasefire or the calm before the storm.

“I don’t like it,” said my sister-in-law about the “tense calm” around us.

I didn’t say anything, still trying I tried to connect to the internet to see what was going on out there.


“Let’s have a coffee,” my sister-in-law said suddenly, probably trying to break the tension, and got up to go into the kitchen.

I followed her in and stood with her as the coffee bubbled. As she poured it into two cups, I rummaged in my bag for some biscuits to share.

We had only had a sip or two when a massive explosion hit, then a second, then the third.

“It’s back,” my sister-in-law said, practically tossing her coffee cup on the table next to mine as we rushed to check on our kids.

She seemed resigned, frustrated, scared.

“A massive explosion hit, then a second, then the third.” [Maram Humai/Al Jazeera]

The house was shaking so hard, it was actually difficult to keep walking towards where the kids were sleeping.

The thought of all of them being blown out and filling the house with shards of glass was too much, so I told my husband to take all the windows down.


We spent the next few hours in complete darkness as the booming seemed to grow louder by the second. With no internet, we didn’t know where the bombs were landing.

I think the internet and power outages were fairly widespread because, even when we caught a bit of internet, there were no updates to be had on messaging groups, no news, no updates.

Eventually, we found out that the bombing was on three civilian neighbourhoods in northwest Gaza: al-Karama, al-Maqosi and al-Mukhabarat.

But for the rest of the night and well into the morning today, the bombing was nonstop.

It was so violent and intense, that I often thought it was on our house. I jumped up more than once to run towards where my infant son was sleeping, ready to grab him and run.

They say no news is good news, but for the people of Gaza under war, no news can spell the end.

SOURCE: AL JAZEERA

 

[Dalit]

Just in case one is wondering... Just because bible say that this land belongs to Jews the Liberal/Secular and people who don't believe in God are lining up to support the claim of Jews to inherited this land which they also took from someone else. The Secular/Godless West is fighting and propagating to push a religious claim, we are living in a strange times indeed.


The paper moves from archaeological discoveries to biblical records, quoting Genesis 10:1-20 that shows “the Arabs, Hamites, Canaanites and Jebusites were the original inhabitants of the land of Palestine, including the area of Jerusalem.” Canaanites and Jebusites were there long before (at least 2,000 years before) the Jews, and even long before Judaism was revealed.

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/original...ab-muslim-jewish-jerusalem.html#ixzz8G67iTjXW

Ancient origins of the city​

The earliest traces of human settlement in the city area, found on a hill to the southeast, are from the late Chalcolithic Period (Copper Age) and Early Bronze Age (c. 3000 BCE). Excavations have revealed that a settlement existed on a site south of the Temple Mount, and a massive town wall was found just above the Gihon Spring, which determined the location of the ancient settlement. The name, known in its earliest form as Urusalim, is probably of western Semitic origin and apparently means “Foundation of Shalem (God).” The city and its earliest rulers, the Egyptians, are mentioned in the Egyptian Execration Texts (c. 1900–1800 BCE) and again in the 14th-century Tell el-Amarna correspondence, which contains a message from the city’s ruler, Abdi-Kheba (Abdu-Ḥeba), requiring his sovereign’s help against the invading Hapiru (Habiru, ʿApiru). A biblical narrative mentions the meeting of the Canaanite Melchizedek, said to be king of Salem (Jerusalem), with the Hebrew patriarch Abraham. A later episode in the biblical text mentions another king, Adonizedek, who headed an Amorite coalition and was vanquished by Joshua.


According to biblical accounts, Jerusalem, on the frontier of Benjamin and Judah and inhabited by a mixed population described as Jebusites, was captured by David, founder of the joint kingdom of Israel and Judah, and the city became the Jewish kingdom’s capital. This has been dated to about 1000 BCE. David’s successor, King Solomon, extended the city and built his Temple on the threshing floor of Araunah (Ornan) the Jebusite. Thus Jerusalem became the place of the royal palace and the sacred site of a monotheistic religion.

Jerusalem - Holy City, Ancient History, Conflict | Britannica

Jerusalem - Holy City, Ancient History, Conflict: The earliest surveys and excavations in Jerusalem were conducted in the 19th century, mainly by European Christians such as the French scholars Louis Félicien de Saulcy and Charles Clermont-Ganneau and the Englishman Charles Warren, who were...

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It is hilarious isn't it. Suddenly the West has found the Bible, God and everything associated with it when it comes to Israeli promised land. Even the Israeli supporting atheists are claiming that the promised land exists and belongs to Israel LOL

 

[RescueRanger]

Jordanian Foreign Minister: According to the 4th Geneva Convention, preventing food, medicine, fuel and humanitarian aid is a war crime.

Translation:
Amman, October 14, 2023 - Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs and Expatriate Affairs, Ayman Al-Safadi, warned today that the raging Israeli war on the Gaza Strip is causing a humanitarian catastrophe, represents collective punishment of more than two million Palestinians, and is pushing the entire region towards the abyss.Al-Safadi said that the failure of the international community to stop the war is a failure to implement international law, to protect common human values and to protect innocent civilians who face the hell of war, and do not find shelter, food, nourishment, or hospitals for their children and wounded.

Al-Safadi, who is meeting today with the Canadian Foreign Minister and is discussing with her efforts to stop the war on Gaza, and is following up on contacts with his counterparts to discuss ways to stop the repercussions of the humanitarian catastrophe caused by the war, stressed that silence over the war and destruction to which the people of Gaza are exposed is silence over an aggression that dispossesses the Gazans.

Of their humanity and their right to protection, and silence on the flagrant Israeli violations of international law.Al-Safadi said that the international community must deal with the war on the Gaza Strip according to one criteria, and condemn the killing of Palestinian civilians just as it condemned the killing of Israeli civilians. Civilian victims are victims, regardless of their identity or nationality.

Al-Safadi stressed that Palestinian civilians are no less humane than Israeli civilians, and that the war that Israel declared aimed at eliminating Hamas kills and displaces innocent Palestinians, and will leave the region and the world facing the repercussions of the environment of destruction, despair and oppression that Israel will turn Gaza into. It will not achieve security and will not lead to peace.

Al-Safadi stressed that Israel's prevention of humanitarian aid from entering Gaza, and its pressure on more than a million Gazans in the northern Gaza Strip to leave their homes at a time when its war on the Gaza Strip is raging, is a flagrant violation of international law, international humanitarian law, and the law of war.Al-Safadi affirmed his refusal to displace Palestinians from their homeland, and warned that Israel’s attempt to impose this would push the entire region towards an abyss that would deepen and expand escalation and conflict.

The Foreign Minister stressed that violence will only push towards more violence, and that war will only lead to inflaming the conflict and increasing tension.

Al-Safadi said that only a just and comprehensive peace based on a two-state solution that fully fulfils the rights of the Palestinian people will protect Palestine, Israel and the entire region from cycles of violence, and that Israel will not obtain security and peace unless the Palestinians obtain security and freedom in their independent state with occupied Jerusalem as its capital on the lines of the Fourth of Ramadan. June 1967.

Al-Safadi stressed that everyone who wants security and peace in the region and for all its countries and peoples must move immediately to stop the aggression against Gaza, and work to find a real horizon for achieving just and comprehensive peace on the basis of the two-state solution.

Al-Safadi stressed that the elders, women and children of Gaza are innocent civilians and the international inability to protect them represents an international failure of values and humanity that cannot be justified under any pretext.

 

[Foinikas]

In how many months or years?

They already did. My post was from last week,when the attack happened.

It is hilarious isn't it. Suddenly the West has found the Bible, God and everything associated with it when it comes to Israeli promised land. Even the Israeli supporting atheists are claiming that the promised land exists and belongs to Israel LOL

It's a ZOG country

This is the bar that Israel set in 1982. right under its nose. Unfortunately, the Israelis alive today pay for the crimes and hedious violence of its parents

Sabra and Shatila massacre: What happened in Lebanon in 1982?

Israeli-backed Phalange militia killed between 2,000 and 3,500 Palestinian refugees and Lebanese civilians in two days.

www.aljazeera.com

Palestinians are also paying for their parents' crimes. Both sides were involved in bad things since then.

But that non-state terror organization is not the military duds

They're worse than Hizbollah.

 

[Foinikas]

What did they want to do after utterly destroying Gaza?

Get sympathy from the world and more money from Muslim countries. Basically,this is how they think they will take back all of Palestine.They think that by attacking the enemy all the time,they will make him leave.

 

[RescueRanger]

Breaking: Healthcare workers have come under attack again in Gaza.

 

[jhungary]

Disclaimer: Like I said before too, these are just speculations for now. So I don't think anyone can say this, with full guarantee for now.

The speculations are more due to some observer's thoughts, as to how the Hamas attack has gone and what happened before and after. Ismail Haniyeh was in Iran, Russia, Turkey and I think China too before the attack. Russia is keeping a balanced approach, and hasn't condemned Hamas like some other countries. Now this can be speculation and overreaching, however not entirely improbable. By involving Wagner Group, they can keep their hands clean at least officially.

Even the observer's am quoting, never said this is a genius action if Russia is involved. They too said its desperation, but either way it is useful for Russia no? I don't think even mighty USA can support two wars at a time? Given that such background players will never be outed, people speculate based on who gains the most I guess.

Oh I said that right away, that what Hamas did is stupid. There is no doubt about that, as they have brought misery to innocent Palestinians. This whole thing is an act of desperation overall, and will make so many families suffer sadly.

First of all, if a war is going great, you don't need a diversion. Let's just put this out there now

Secondly, if Russia is behind this, when Israel done dealing with this Gaza saga, they will turn to Ukraine, and beside the US, Israeli is the only other country that have tons of surplus article, expertise and know how to train the Ukrainian on how to use this, also don't forget roughly 18% of Ukrainian are Jew, that mean there may be a chances that Israeli is going to be directly involved in that war. If mean if this is actaully Russia doing and Israeli know? I mean Israel is willing to level Gaza like this, it won't end well for Russia if they know Russia is behind this.

As for whether or not US can support both Israel and Ukraine? Why not, it's not like US is giving the same thing to Israeli and Ukraine, US is going to give a lot more Aerial Asset to Israel (F-16, JDAM, F-35), while US is giving Ukraine older ground asset (HIMARS, Abrams, Bradley and so on) what Ukraine need Israel has a lot, what Israel need US is not giving any to Ukraine anyway, In fact, what do US need to give Israel to execute this war? Unless you are talking about an Arab alliance attack on Israel, US probably not going to need to do anything other than parking Carrier Group in the Med for deterrence. It would be naive to think US cannot support Israel and Ukraine at the same time, given US support to Ukraine is very small.

On the other hand, what advantage the Russian is getting over this? It would be a lot more logical if Russia is indeed behind this, they ask Hamas to join the fight in Ukraine in exchange of official support of Palestinian independence, I mean at least this way you get thousand if not hundreds of thousand free fighters for your war, instead of asking them to die for theirs. The war is blogged down for Russia already, I mean they didn't make any progress for the 10 and a half months in 2023, and it will not be any progress unless they do another general mobilisation. So literally if Russia is behind this, it gains nothing from this, and while asking hundred of thousand people to die for this? That is beyond desperation.

 

[RescueRanger]

Lets face it both Hamas and Israel are guilty of war crimes. Neither party's hands are clean.

 

[zhxy]

Lets face it both Hamas and Israel are guilty of war crimes. Neither party's hands are clean.

This is the most reasonable and fair comment, not biased towards any side

 

[RescueRanger]

Director of Al-Awda Hospital: We will not leave a hospital that has patients in need of treatment.

 

[mulj]

Lets face it both Hamas and Israel are guilty of war crimes. Neither party's hands are clean.

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No proofs for Hamas part.

 

[PradoTLC]

I’ve told you exactly where to find it.

still no evidence of Palestine beheading babies but here is evidence of Israeli soldiers beheading Palestinian babies...

when you people learn that lying is always self defeating exercise...

 

[Musings]

Lets face it both Hamas and Israel are guilty of war crimes. Neither party's hands are clean.

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Have to agree with your statement.
The issue I have is the west - like the UK where I reside - give full backing to the Israelis to go and commit war crimes - financing and egging them on. Instead think about that for a second sir

 

[mangochutney]