Isn't it funny when people have selective memory when it comes to their own history.
The one thing all this has shown is that the IDF isn't as disciplined as we all thought it was.
Sometimes I'm very provocative and I should have say sorry for this/that.
But it's very annoying to talk to people who like cherry picking and never admit own cruelty in history and/or have only black/white view on things.
That is something I like and respect so much about you and LEGEND as mods/member, you have your own, objective view.
Not that your view is with everyones compatible or always flawless, by the almighty that is just not possible but you always try to be fair and objectivly.
Sadly many forum members are not matured enough to have a realistic world view on subjects, they are ideological blinded.
I would be the first who would remember an American of fighting against the natives, but this doesn't make the natives "innocent" people who did smoke the whole day peace-pipes and sang kumba-ya.
The same with the modern Israelis, they were, from the beginning in the situation (from a human perspective) that they are unwished foreigners.
I understand the historical approach, Jewish kingdoms were there, Jews are different compared to Christians/Muslims.
Culturally/Religious, it's a closed group mostly.
This area was Jewish culture, Jewish art, Jewish lifestyle, Jewish religion.
But after FOREIGN intervention (British) and some miscalculation (Ottomans) who sold hard working Jews areas/land there and these communities matured and after WW2 and the Holocaust they declared independence with own state, the ARABS declared war(s) against them.
Again, from THEIR (Arab) view, understandable, I wouldn't like it either if Turks in Berlin say Berlin is now TURKISH land.
Arabs lost everytime, Jews got nearly nothing from other states as support in the first CRITICAL years, they had to use jewish influence and even then they got old stuff from European scrapyards and took everything they got.
Later they got weapons from Belgium and much French stuff, especially planes.
It was not until 1967 that the Americans got interest in the Jews because of the Cold War.
Soviets used Arabs as their tool.