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Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

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Do you seriously think think the life of Palestinians were gonna improve sooner or later? There is literally no option than to fight for the rights.

Freedom has it's cost. But we never shied away from sacrifices. It's better to be martyred taking the enemy with you than simply being massacred under pogrom.
Brother, I get you.

I am just wired to be realistic because of my research-oriented background. I look at the bigger picture and call for peaceful solutions.

But yes - maybe this is a last ditch expression of Palestinian frustration.

May Allah Almighty have mercy on the masoom.
 
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Pakistan did the same in East Pakistan (i.e. Bangladesh).
The Pakistani army is doing the same against the Baluch liberation movement, which is a terrorist organisation for them. One man's hero is another man's terrorist.

You do realise that the West actually tried to prop up India in Afghanistan during the WoT against Pakistan?
 
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I wish things were as simple as you are saying. There are secular Jews who want total annihilation of Palestinians and there are orthodox Jews who want to co-exist with Palestinians. There are practicing muslims who want to kill all Jews and there are practicing muslims who want to co-exist with Jews and i am not talking about governments, i am talking about common people.

You are right, but these are EXCEPTIONS, while I am talking about the Majority.
Even Secular Israelis want to have peace.
Even Secular Hindus want to live in peace with Muslims.
Look how religious Americans support far-right Trump, who ultimately supported Bibi.
Look at the religious Christian Government in Poland and how strongly it opposes the immigration of a single Muslim in Poland.

It is a fact that a huge majority of Liberals (including homosexual communities) want to live in peace and they are opposed to any Muslim killings. But religious Muslims themselves become the biggest evils against these liberals and homosexuals. They want to have a right to preach Islam and convert people to Islam in non-Muslim countries but are not ready to give the same rights to non-Muslims in Muslim-majority countries. They have liberalism and secularism but still want the right to immigrate to Secular European countries.
 
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Brother, I get you.

I am just wired to be pragmatic because of my research-oriented background. I look at the bigger picture.

But yes - maybe this is a last ditch expression of Palestinian frustration.

May Allah Almighty have mercy on the masoom.

It is brother. It is a last ditch effort as it seems. The Saudis should have never come forward and conveyed their willingness to recognize Israel.
 
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We will see in the next few days what demolition of Gaza actually means. By killiing and kidnapping Israeli civilians, Hamas has lost Palestinians all international sympathy. There will be no constraints on IDF as it extracts revenge on the hapless Palestinians.

The whole operation was a cynical ploy to derail the Saudi- Israeli rapprochement. I am sure MBS is extremely pissed, but I doubt Saudi Arabia will go out of its way to restrain Israel. Delaying the Saudi- Israeli helps just Iran and keeps neutral countries like Jordan, Egypt, Qatar, Turkey, China and India relevant in the mediation process a little longer, but apart from that everyone loses- most of all ordinary Palestinians.

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Are you suggesting Israel murder civilians in response to Hamas military operation or you implying Israeli's are civilian murdering genocidal monsters? You make no sense. International community is upset Hamas captured Israeli combatants and yet will endorse Israeli carpet bombing of Gaza? You're speaking nonsense. I suggest you to just stop talking.
 
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call for peaceful solutions.
Peace would be best. But practically, what do you opine Israel would realistically offer for peace in the conflict?

It is indeed a tragedy. The biggest victims of most conflicts are the uninvolved, unarmed civilians at all sides.
 
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If it is one or two bodies yeah. But with hundreds of Israelis dead now, all sympathy sections will shut up. For example the likes of Ilhan Omar are now rendered ineffective
I wonder who said that hundreds dead people are statistics.

I say we wait & see where this goes. Just hope Hamas can give us some entertainment before they get wiped out completely.
 
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Are you suggesting Israel murder civilians in response to Hamas military operation or you implying Israeli's are civilian murdering genocidal monsters? You make no sense. International community is upset Hamas captured Israeli combatants and yet will endorse Israeli carpet bombing of Gaza? You're speaking nonsense. I suggest you to just stop talking.

The Hindutva is proposing exactly this.
 
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How many troops Hamas currently have ?

I check and it is about 8000-17.000 troops ( Israel intelligent estimate)

Israel ground force is about 100.000 troops and reserve is 400.000 personel.
 
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