Ironically P in PDF stands for Pakistan which refuses to accept Israel's existence as postulated by the UNO in 1948. A decision at the time was never correlated with antisemitism nor with anti Judaism. If Zionism can rely on religion for political leverage, it's byproduct in the Middle East, antisemitism, is also as fairly entitled to do so.
In case of Pakistan, be it one state, two state, global state, whatever is the consensus by the Palestinians on a lasting solution is their fundamental right to self determination. We will see the 2nd part of the deal purely based on national interest with the King of Zion personally.
It does (I am a Pakistani myself), but Pakistan is not in the position to question UN ruling or is it? UN grants legitimacy to statehood in modern times, Pakistan does not. From where the notion of internationally recognized borders stem from? UN grants this legitimacy to Pakistan and other countries around the world.
Members are allowed to discuss history of the Palestine region but it will be helpful to get the basics right before commenting on this topic at minimum. Ownership of this region has shifted from time to time due to war and other factors much like that of so many lands. Ground realities of any region can shift over time.
So what is the ground reality of the Palestine region in modern times? It contains Israel as a UN recognized state and Palestinian parts (Gaza and West Bank) and West Bank has UN observer status.
So the issue is that this is a territorial dispute and it should be resolved. Potential options are One State Solution (British Plan) and Two State Solution (UN plan). So it can be one of these.
So Israeli are oppressing Palestinians and systematically absorbing their lands - I have noticed the obvious and pointed out this reality in various posts (use Search Function to dig out these posts).
So what is next? Wipe out Israel in war? If this is possible, go ahead. If not, then what is the next best option?
So there is a better way to discuss this topic and I am showing it but some members are confused and confusing me as well.
Zionist movement is a byproduct of Antisemitic politics in Russia and Europe as pointed out in
here. So Zionists reached out to the British to give them a state. This movement convinced the British to create British-mandated Palestine by partitioning Transjordan. Here is proof:
The letter in question is this:
This development is in connection to the Balfour Declaration. Jordanian leadership was consulted and taken into confidence in this matter at the time:
The end of the Palestine mandate and the chaos surrounding it had significant implications for both neighbouring Transjordan and British imperial interests in the Middle East. This chapter explores how the two allies sought to deal with this issue. Based on significant new sources, it corroborates Avi Shlaim's disputed claim that Britain gave King Abdullah the 'green light' to use the Arab Legion to occupy the areas of Palestine allotted to the Arab state by the UN, thus creating an enlarged Jordanian state alongside a new Jewish state, Israel. Paying particular attention to the role of Glubb and the Arab Legion during the first, civil war phase of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, this chapter reveals that, after a meeting between the British Foreign Secretary, the Jordanian Prime Minister, and Glubb in February 1948, the Arab Legion commander actively sought to thwart the efforts of the Arab irregular forces and find a military accord with the Zionists. Glubb was not the architect of the Greater Transjordan scheme, as some have argued, but he was responsible for its implementation. In 1948 Glubb and the Arab Legion emerged as crucial tools for securing British and Jordanian interests in post-mandate Palestine.
Glubb Pasha and the Arab Legion - April 2017
www.cambridge.org
Details in following link:
Palestinian view is in following link:
Palestinians support Two State Solution, although some are OK with One State Solution.
So what should be the overarching theme of discussion in this thread? Information that has little to do with ongoing Gaza - Israel Conflict? Narratives that fuel antisemitism and such?
I can make this thread FREE FOR ALL - you all can bring up any theme and fight in this thread to the extent possible. I can tell other team members to not intervene. In this case, WE should bring back Israeli members into this fight as well. Then this will be fair contention. I banned an Israeli member not long ago but a Pakistani-origin member pointed out that this was unnecessary. This will do for all?