FT: White House no longer sees anything special in UK relations

[Indian Patriot]

Ah... you are a Indian MUSLIM

What has that got to do with the topic? Mughals were a great power and they contributed to Indian wealth. Do not forget that at their peak the Mughals were the most powerful empire on earth. After the death of Aurangzeb though they became a parody of their former glorious self.

Any Indian can take pride in Mughals, they are after all part of Indian history and not pakistani.

 

[Makaramarma]

What has that got to do with the topic? Mughals were a great power and they contributed to Indian wealth. Do not forget that at their peak the Mughals were the most powerful empire on earth. After the death of Aurangzeb though they became a parody of their former glorious self.

Any Indian can take pride in Mughals, they are after all part of Indian history and not pakistani.

Nothing to do with the topic, just helps me understand your low opinion of India.

Mughals has not "contributed" to Indian wealth, they certainly exploited it and enjoyed it. They also destroyed Hindu culture and faith, not to mention Hindu architecture and places of worship.

No Indian hindu can take pride in Mughals. They are a part of Indian history, but not in a good way.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Nothing to do with the topic, just helps me understand your low opinion of India.

Mughals has not "contributed" to Indian wealth, they certainly exploited it and enjoyed it. They also destroyed Hindu culture and faith, not to mention Hindu architecture and places of worship.

No Indian hindu can take pride in Mughals. They are a part of Indian history, but not in a good way.

Low opinion of India? LOL!!

Did trade and commerce not flourish under mughals or did the mughals put an end to trade? A certain Indian poster claimed India was 22% of world economy before the gentle, compassionate english came here to rob. It was the mughals in power that time.

Yes the mughals were "foreigners" but saying they did not contribute to Indian history is a simplistic point of view.

All mughals did not destroy Hindu culture. Watch the Mughal era paintings, many of them depict scenes from Hindu mythology and Mahabharat, Ramayan etc.

A conservative bigot may not be able to take pride in mughals but there is nothing wrong with the mughals. And if you hate mughals so much then why don't you hate the Hindu rajputs who aligned themselves with the mughals and fought for them against Hindu kings?

 

[Makaramarma]

Low opinion of India? LOL!!

Did trade and commerce not flourish under mughals or did the mughals put an end to trade? A certain Indian poster claimed India was 22% of world economy before the gentle, compassionate english came here to rob. It was the mughals in power that time.

Yes the mughals were "foreigners" but saying they did not contribute to Indian history is a simplistic point of view.

All mughals did not destroy Hindu culture. Watch the Mughal era paintings, many of them depict scenes from Hindu mythology and Mahabharat, Ramayan etc.

A conservative bigot may not be able to take pride in mughals but there is nothing wrong with the mughals. And if you hate mughals so much then why don't you hate the Hindu rajputs who aligned themselves with the mughals and fought for them against Hindu kings?

Chinese Emperor resisted trade with Colonialists and ensured China never became a colony.

Mughal emperor Jahangir welcomed trade with colonialist and ensured India become a colony.

There is plenty of evidence of mughals destroying hindu culture and killing Hindu saints and forcible conversion. if I start writing on that, it will consume this entire thread. A few painted story books made for royal pleasure does not white wash the mass destruction of Hindu culture and way of life.

Hindu Rajput fought the mughals till the very end and finally they made temporary alliance when they had no more choice. An alliance they broke off the first time they got a chance.

Anyway this is off topic. Start a new thread on that where I can knock down your hollow claims.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Hindu Rajput fought the mughals till the very end and finally they made temporary alliance when they had no more choice. An alliance they broke off the first time they got a chance.

LOL!! Fake history at its finest. Anyway there is a thread on the topic in the south asia forum. Let me see you handle that.

 

[Makaramarma]

LOL!! Fake history at its finest. Anyway there is a thread on the topic in the south asia forum. Let me see you handle that.

... what fake history ? Who was Rana Pratap ? Who was Rana Sangha ? Who was Rana Udai singh ? Who was Rana Amar Singh ? They fought Mughals from Humayun, to Akbar, to Jahangir to Aurangzeb.

 

[Indian Patriot]

... what fake history ? Who was Rana Pratap ? Who was Rana Sangha ? Who was Rana Udai singh ? Who was Rana Amar Singh ? They fought Mughals from Humayun, to Akbar, to Jahangir to Aurangzeb.

Please post in the relevant thread, NOT here.

 

[Ceonwulf]

I appreciate your grave concern for the poverty of India. But how does Indian poverty diminish the fact that england is bankrupt when it comes to the currency of political influence in the world?

India became "farrrrr" (wrong english by the way) poorer than many countries because of 200 years of british rule. It is not magic that a country like england which has no coal, iron, oil, cotton or anything worthwhile had become so rich. Unfortunately england does not have any colonies today except falklands and thus england has zero influence. Truth be told the nazis were better human beings than the english colonial empire, but we are not discussing that right now.

You are unable to negate or deny the fact that england today is the world's laughing stock when it comes to political matters. So like a 10 year old you bring in Indian poverty to make yourself feel good.

To say the UK is irrelevant, has no influence or is a "laughing stock" on the worlds stage is a fools statement and just shows you for what you really are, a poor little Indian with an inferiority complex because your British masters used to rule and dominate India. Even today Britain still has a larger economy than India, and a UNSC seat - you must really be butt hurt about that!

Your comments are simply driven from hate for Britain, which makes you want to believe the UK is irrelevant, even though it is clearly a powerful and important country.

Like I said before, we in Hong Kong are very appreciative of the freedom and progress Britain has given our people. So we have no inferiority complex with Britain, we like Britain and can freely accept that yes, Britain is great power.

Britain is the 5th largest global economy, has a UNSC seat, a member of the G7, G8 and G20, it has senior positions at the IMF and World Bank, a top position in NATO (strongest military alliance on earth). It is also a member of the official delegation of the top world powers currently in negotiations with Iran over its nuclear development (India was not invited to be on the delegation, because the world doesn't care what India has to say. LOL).

British banks are among the top 5 largest in the world, even here in China we regularly see news showing British officials and their policies on banking and economics, because the fact is, British policies for their huge banks and financial sector effect the entire worlds economy (London is No.1 with New York as the worlds largest global financial and command center). The British Pound is also the worlds 3rd most important currency after the Dollar and Euro, because British banks and London's financial sector are so powerful and important.

In Iraq, the UK has launched the second largest number of airstrikes against ISIS after the USA (Where is India? What is India doing against ISIS? Nothing!).

Britain is the leading powerful member in the Five Power Defence Arrangements in Asia (which also includes Australia, Singapore, New Zealand and Malaysia). This gives Britain much influence in defence and security matters in South East Asia. If the UK is irrelevant (like you say), then why do those countries want so desperately to be allied with UK?

British Soft Power influence is huge. British culture, music, science, medicine, human rights, diplomacy are amoung the top of all countries on the planet. The official ranking places the UK 3rd in the entire world after the USA and Germany in global soft power influence (Where is India? India doesn't even make it on the list. LOL).

The lists of British influence around the world would take forever to mention.

You are just a butt hurt Indian. Maybe one day you will be more powerful than Britain, but it is not yet.

If nobody cares about GDP PPP then why is it in effect?.

To gauge domestic markets, quality of life, GDP per capita etc. NOT to gauge overall economic power compared to another country.

It is Nominal GDP that is used to gauge overall economic power on the world stage. That is why even though China has surpassed the USA on GDP PPP terms, we are still not considered to be the number one economic power yet. We have to wait until we surpass America in Nominal terms first.

 

[Indian Patriot]

To say the UK is irrelevant, has no influence or is a "laughing stock" on the worlds stage is a fools statement and just shows you for what you really are, a poor little Indian with an inferiority complex because your British masters used to rule and dominate India.

And your abject servitude of the british must be a result of years of Chinese colonisation under various european powers and ultimately under the Japanese. Do not talk about inferiority complex when history shows Japanese treated you as worth less than humans and it was these same "poor little Indians" that had to come to the rescue of you forsaken chinese.

Your comments are simply driven from hate for Britain, which makes you want to believe the UK is irrelevant, even though it is clearly a powerful and important country.

So where is england in SEA crisis, middle east crisis, eurozone economic crisis, ukraine crisis and other such hot spots in the world?

Like I said before, we in Hong Kong are very appreciative of the freedom and progress Britain has given our people. So we have no inferiority complex with Britain, we like Britain and can freely accept that yes, Britain is great power.

Hong Kong is a nobody before the white masters arrived. Hong Kong does not have a 5,000 year history or any contribution to humanity. So it is but natural that european involvement will bring only positive things for the backward Hong Kong dwellers. So is obvious you owe your existence to the english colonisation many decades ago. Without the presence of english the hong kong dwellers would still be sailing in their boats and fishing with their nets. And it is showing. Hong Kong prospered under english rule and right now you have public protests on the street.

Britain is the 5th largest global economy, has a UNSC seat, a member of the G7, G8 and G20, it has senior positions at the IMF and World Bank, a top position in NATO (strongest military alliance on earth). It is also a member of the official delegation of the top world powers currently in negotiations with Iran over its nuclear development (India was not invited to be on the delegation, because the world doesn't care what India has to say. LOL).

And what has that achieved for england? In eurozone it is the Germans who have the veto on the Greek fiscal support not england. In middle east it is USA, in eastern Europe it is USA, in SEA it is USA. Where is your precious england?

In Iraq, the UK has launched the second largest number of airstrikes against ISIS after the USA (Where is India? What is India doing against ISIS? Nothing!).

Why should India be involved? Is the mighty chinese involved in ISIS strikes? What happened, no money for fuel to fly all the way to Iraq?

Britain is the leading powerful member in the Five Power Defence Arrangements in Asia (which also includes Australia, Singapore, New Zealand and Malaysia). This gives Britain much influence in defence and security matters in South East Asia. If the UK is irrelevant (like you say), then why do those countries want so desperately to be allied with UK?

No alliance anywhere in the western hemisphere is successful without USA blessing. Australia, Singapore, NZ, Malaysia are not military powers therefore it is only natural that a nuclear armed power will be the leading member. LOL!! You are more dumb than your name makes you sound.

British Soft Power influence is huge. British culture, music, science, medicine, human rights, diplomacy are amoung the top of all countries on the planet. The official ranking places the UK 3rd in the entire world after the USA and Germany in global soft power influence (Where is India? India doesn't even make it on the list. LOL).

Britain does not have any soft power besides its language. British music? You must be tripping on a high listening to spice girls and one direction.

You are just a butt hurt Indian. Maybe one day you will be more powerful than Britain, but it is not yet.

You are just an insignificant chinese. Maybe one day you will be able to live in a free society where your own police does not beat the living sh1t out of you. Maybe one day. Till then keep assembling Apple products in the work shop instead of wasting time here.

To gauge domestic markets, quality of life, GDP per capita etc. NOT to gauge overall economic power compared to another country.

India is good in GDP PPP so it does not matter, ROFLOL!! The Japanese needed a few more years to teach you people your place and some civilization.

That is why even though China has surpassed the USA on GDP PPP terms, we are still not considered to be the number one economic power yet. We have to wait until we surpass America in Nominal terms first.

i am sure the chinese will be able to achieve that with a fast aging population.

 

[Rasengan]

And your abject servitude of the british must be a result of years of Chinese colonisation under various european powers and ultimately under the Japanese. Do not talk about inferiority complex when history shows Japanese treated you as worth less than humans and it was these same "poor little Indians" that had to come to the rescue of you forsaken chinese.

The Chinese were never in servitude to the British and the various European colonial powers did not find it feasible to control and annex China. This is clearly emphasized by British general Bernard Law Montgomery, who articulated two key rules in his book. Rule 1 of the book of war is "Do not march on Moscow" and Rule 2 is "Do not go fighting with your land armies in China". The Japanese failed to subjugate China and ultimately they loss the war in the battle of attrition. The Japanese had superior technology and training than there Chinese counterparts, however under the conditions of close quarter combat the Dao was effective in killing and neutralizing Japanese troops. The Chinese could have easily countered the Japanese eventually, if Chang Kai-Shek was not more concerned in holding his best troops in reserve for countering Chairman Mao, who he perceived as a greater long term threat to the rule of the Kuomintang. Furthermore are you mocking the dead Chinese victims that were brutally killed by the Japanese?

 

[Ceonwulf]

And your abject servitude of the british must be a result of years of Chinese colonisation under various european powers and ultimately under the Japanese. Do not talk about inferiority complex when history shows Japanese treated you as worth less than humans and it was these same "poor little Indians" that had to come to the rescue of you forsaken chinese.

So where is england in SEA crisis, middle east crisis, eurozone economic crisis, ukraine crisis and other such hot spots in the world?

Hong Kong is a nobody before the white masters arrived. Hong Kong does not have a 5,000 year history or any contribution to humanity. So it is but natural that european involvement will bring only positive things for the backward Hong Kong dwellers. So is obvious you owe your existence to the english colonisation many decades ago. Without the presence of english the hong kong dwellers would still be sailing in their boats and fishing with their nets. And it is showing. Hong Kong prospered under english rule and right now you have public protests on the street.

And what has that achieved for england? In eurozone it is the Germans who have the veto on the Greek fiscal support not england. In middle east it is USA, in eastern Europe it is USA, in SEA it is USA. Where is your precious england?

Why should India be involved? Is the mighty chinese involved in ISIS strikes? What happened, no money for fuel to fly all the way to Iraq?

No alliance anywhere in the western hemisphere is successful without USA blessing. Australia, Singapore, NZ, Malaysia are not military powers therefore it is only natural that a nuclear armed power will be the leading member. LOL!! You are more dumb than your name makes you sound.

Britain does not have any soft power besides its language. British music? You must be tripping on a high listening to spice girls and one direction.

You are just an insignificant chinese. Maybe one day you will be able to live in a free society where your own police does not beat the living sh1t out of you. Maybe one day. Till then keep assembling Apple products in the work shop instead of wasting time here.

India is good in GDP PPP so it does not matter, ROFLOL!! The Japanese needed a few more years to teach you people your place and some civilization.

i am sure the chinese will be able to achieve that with a fast aging population.

You are a joke and still butt hurt because of your British masters. I almost feel sorry for you.

Nice try, but we Chinese do not have inferiority complex over Japan. We are grown up enough and confident enough to remember history as history and look to the future. Plus, China now has an economy twice the size of Japan - so there is no reason to feel inferiour next to Japan.

Also, it wasn't the Indians that saved us. If anything, it was your British masters who owned and controlled the British Indian Army. Indians were nothing but slaves or cannon fodder for the British Empire.

Hong Kong has a glorious history, and is a very rich prosperous place today. I don't care if India has 5,000 years of poverty history, I would much rather 300 years of rich progress history like Hong Kong. Come visit, you will be in amazement at how beautiful Hong Kong is. It is a precious gem of earth!

Hong Kong enjoys much more freedom than mainland China, our police do not beat us! LOL First you say Britain is irrelevant and now China? You have no credibility because all of your arguments are pure illogical hate. No matter what you say or what you wish, it will never change reality. Fact is whether you like it or not, Britain is a great power and China is a HUGE POWERFUL great power that is soon to be a superpower. India = peasant country with no UNSC seat.

Even with ageing population China will emerge as the worlds No. 1 economy in Nominal terms. Be sure of it.

The Chinese were never in servitude to the British and the various European colonial powers did not find it feasible to control and annex China. This is clearly emphasized by British general Bernard Law Montgomery, who articulated two key rules in his book. Rule 1 of the book of war is "Do not march on Moscow" and Rule 2 is "Do not go fighting with your land armies in China". The Japanese failed to subjugate China and ultimately they loss the war in the battle of attrition. The Japanese had superior technology and training than there Chinese counterparts, however under the conditions of close quarter combat the Dao was effective in killing and neutralizing Japanese troops. The Chinese could have easily countered the Japanese eventually, if Chang Kai-Shek was not more concerned in holding his best troops in reserve for countering Chairman Mao, who he perceived as a greater long term threat to the rule of the Kuomintang. Furthermore are you mocking the dead Chinese victims that were brutally killed by the Japanese?

Indian Patriot is a hater and his arguments are rubbish based on hate for Britain and now China. This is because he has an inferiority complex.

 

[Rasengan]

So where is england in SEA crisis, middle east crisis, eurozone economic crisis, ukraine crisis and other such hot spots in the world?

Your knowledge on Great Britain is atrocious because during the European economic crisis, it was British tax payers money that bailed out Greece. Britain in monetary terms is one of the biggest contributors to the European Union. This year alone more jobs have been created in the United Kingdom than any other European State. During the Ukraine crisis, Britain took the initiative of freezing billions of dollars worth of Russian assets and have barred certain individuals from entering its airspace and are supporting the policy of sanctioning Russia. You have spoken negatively on Great Britain, however the irony is quite amusing because thousands of Indians beg and dream of coming to London at any costs.

Indian Patriot is a hater and his arguments are rubbish based on hate for Britain and now China. This is because he has an inferiority complex.

Indian Patriot has no clue and understanding of China and its historical events. Its disgusting to see how he has mocked and rejoiced at the brutality of the Japanese regime on the Chinese people.

You are just an insignificant chinese. Maybe one day you will be able to live in a free society where your own police does not beat the living sh1t out of you. Maybe one day. Till then keep assembling Apple products in the work shop instead of wasting time here.

You are calling the Chinese insignificant, when your own Prime Minister has implored the Chinese to invest on the infrastructure of India. The Chinese do live in a free society and the standard of living is much better than in India. Even within the CCP, there are factions that contend for power for example the Shanghai Clique and the princeling faction. Women in China are not prone to be raped, just because they decided to take a bus with there friend. Till then please continue your work in a call center and listen to your British customers.

 

[Indian Patriot]

You are a joke and still butt hurt because of your British masters. I almost feel sorry for you

And you are still confused whether you should thank the english or the japanese for civilising you primitives.

Nice try, but we Chinese do not have inferiority complex over Japan

And the sun revolves around the earth.

Also, it wasn't the Indians that saved us. If anything, it was your British masters who owned and controlled the British Indian Army. Indians were nothing but slaves or cannon fodder for the British Empire.

There was no "British Indian Army" you moron, LOL!! There was only Indian army. But I understand you primitives are not much educated.

In either case you primitives were freed too early before the japanese could properly civilise you.

Hong Kong has a glorious history, and is a very rich prosperous place today.

Catching tuna for fun is not called glorious history. Hong Kong in itself has nothing to call by history.

Hong Kong enjoys much more freedom than mainland China, our police do not beat us!

Of course they don't, they were only sending you candy crush requests on Facebook when you were protesting.

Even with ageing population China will emerge as the worlds No. 1 economy in Nominal terms. Be sure of it.

China will also be the first country to send an astronaut to Pluto. I am sure of that as well. The chinese very stong.

As for these english people.

Any country that aspires to be a world power needs three things.

1. Geographical land mass.

2. Population.

3. Resources

England has a shortage on all three counts. It was easy for them in the victorian era when english were a century ahead of their colonies in matters of science and technology. Now they are a hollow shell. England does not have avast land area nor is their country located in a strategic point. Being an island was their biggest strength but now it is turning out to be a big flaw.

English population with sub 100 million cannot compete against the likes of USA, Brazil, India etc. who have bigger land mass and/or bigger population. More people = more labour power.

England does not have critical resources to sustain itself. England does not have oil, iron ore, coal, and other basic essentials which are absolutely necessary for a modern industrial economy to survive. England can easily afford them for now, but they are not self-reliant on these matters.

Any alliance political or otherwise in which england is involved would need US blessing. Without US back-up the english don't exist. US can today dump england and move ahead with Japan or Germany, nothing will change for them at all. England cannot dump US and move ahead with France. and THERE lies the bottom line.

England will remain relevant for as long as US wants them to.

 

[Ceonwulf]

English population with sub 100 million cannot compete against the likes of USA, Brazil, India etc. who have bigger land mass and/or bigger population. More people = more labour power.
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LOL you are still so butt hurt. You bring shame on your countrymen. Your entire post was nonsense, but the bit I quoted above was the funniest of all.

UK cannot compete with India or Brazil because of low population? Hmm, that's funny, then why is the UK economy larger than Brazil and India's economy? Why does UK win more Olympic medals? Why is the UK 3rd in the International Science Ranking, ahead of both India and Brazil? There are many more examples of how the UK beats India, Brazil and other countries with larger populations.

The UK is ahead of both India and Brazil on so many metrics of measurement it is amazing. It doesn't matter what size your population is, it just needs to be a healthy size of several 10s of millions and be well educated. A population of 60 million educated, productive rich people is far superiour to a population of 1 billion poor peasants like India.

And for what its worth, no country on the planet is self sufficient in resources, that is why we live in a globalized world of trade and every economy being interdependent on one another. Britain imports lots of oil, so too does China. India as-well, for that matter. Does that mean India and China are irrelevant too? Because we are not self sufficient?

You are a joke.

Just remember the British are still your masters little Indian. And China will be your new master soon.

 

[Indian Patriot]

You are the perfect example of what happens when the japanese leave a job half done. They failed to civilise you.

The growth of the chinese is because of quantity over quality. And that is achieved because of superior numbers not due to any technological expertise.

A country needs resource, population and land mass to succeed. Else you have countries like Luxembourg and Singapore who are first world but have zero to negligible global influence. But then again you are a primitive.

And what is this with gold medals? Kenya has won gold medal in Marathon and Jamaica has Usain Bolt who won gold medal in 100meters. So these two countries are better than China now? When you have nothing substantial to ad you bring up Olympic medal tally in a thread about political influence. What will chinese president do, wear all olympic medals on his neck and visit latin america hoping to impress the latinos? I thought the Chinese put a ban on opium after the british stopped peddling the stuff.

You little chinese, the japanese are still your masters and they are still in the process of educating you primitive souls.