FT: White House no longer sees anything special in UK relations

[Ceonwulf]

You are the perfect example of what happens when the japanese leave a job half done. They failed to civilise you.

The growth of the chinese is because of quantity over quality. And that is achieved because of superior numbers not due to any technological expertise.

A country needs resource, population and land mass to succeed. Else you have countries like Luxembourg and Singapore who are first world but have zero to negligible global influence. But then again you are a primitive.

And what is this with gold medals? Kenya has won gold medal in Marathon and Jamaica has Usain Bolt who won gold medal in 100meters. So these two countries are better than China now? When you have nothing substantial to ad you bring up Olympic medal tally in a thread about political influence. What will chinese president do, wear all olympic medals on his neck and visit latin america hoping to impress the latinos? I thought the Chinese put a ban on opium after the british stopped peddling the stuff.

You little chinese, the japanese are still your masters and they are still in the process of educating you primitive souls.

China tops the Olympic medal charts with USA. India is ranked below even countries like Ireland. It is a good measure of national development, as populations that are living in comfortable conditions can devote time to sports.

This is India's achievements:
This is India, where 3,000 children die every day.
Where 25 million children suffer from starvation and malnutrition
India has the largest adult population that cannot read
India has 37% of the worlds adults that cannot read
The Myth of India as a great power
THE FALSE PROMISE OF INDIA’S SOFT POWER
One-third of world's poor in India: Survey
India's official poverty line doesn't measure up
India Will Not Be a Global Superpower
Why India will not become a superpower
10 Reasons Why India Will Not Become A Superpower
India will never become a superpower
Understanding India’s rape crisis
Behind India's shocking gang rapes lies a deep crisis among young men
No quick fix for India's rape crisis

And I can continue all day about India's failed state peasant country if you want.

The fact is, India is a dirty, smelly, poor country with a billion starving people who have a poor quality of life, like cockroaches. Indians can barely read and 1,000s of children die every day. With these statistics, India is on the same level of development as poor African countries.

India will never be important, it will always just be a big poor country of little brown Indians.

Rich Western countries have very low levels of respect for India, and just see it as a flea market to get cheap goods.They consider India to be a poor and irrelevant country with worse poverty levels than Africa. To the West, countries like Saudi Arabia, South Korea or even Turkey are more important than India.

India is not a world leader on anything. It doesn't have a voice in economic or military crises around the world. Nobody cares what India has to say on global issues, not on ISIS, not on Iran, not on North Korea not anything.

India is the joke of earth, with high poverty, high rape levels, high corruption levels and poor infrastructure, poorly trained obsolete military and many other factors.

 

[Rasengan]

And you are still confused whether you should thank the english or the japanese for civilising you primitives.

Did you sleep through your history lecture in school, because your level of knowledge is amateurish at best that would have a baboon shaking his head is bewilderment wondering why human civilization has regressed in mindset. For your information Kanji originated from China, therefore its highly illogical to assume the idea that the Chinese were primitive in in nature and the Japanese more civilized.

There was no "British Indian Army" you moron, LOL!! There was only Indian army. But I understand you primitives are not much educated. In either case you primitives were freed too early before the japanese could properly civilise you.

You can hardly call the Chinese primitive when in India you have a renowned cow piss soft drink that sells like hotcakes in the southern part of your country. Your society is so primitive that you still follow a caste system philosophy and less not forget the sanitation crisis and how 42.5% of the population under the age of 5 are underweight.

 

[Schutz]

Lol Indians yet again think they are above everyone and completely go nuts at any criticism, face the facts, the majority of your people live a life which most Europeans lived half a millenia ago, and it wont catch up to modern standards until the rest of the world is in flying cars.

 

[Rasengan]

Catching tuna for fun is not called glorious history. Hong Kong in itself has nothing to call by history.

Best to remain silent on topics which you have no clear understanding on. The history of Hong Kong can be traced during the period of Qin dynasty and that was more than 2200 years ago

English population with sub 100 million cannot compete against the likes of USA, Brazil, India etc. who have bigger land mass and/or bigger population. More people = more labour power.

The population of the United Kingdom is 60 million you little twerp and having a larger population can become a double edge sword, where a lack of basic necessities and job opportunities would lead to discontent.

England does not have critical resources to sustain itself. England does not have oil, iron ore, coal, and other basic essentials which are absolutely necessary for a modern industrial economy to survive. England can easily afford them for now, but they are not self-reliant on these matters.

The United Kingdom extracts oil from the North Sea and this is projected to last for at least another 50 years. In the northern areas of England, there are a number of significant coal deposits and the only reason why this is not being utilized is because of public dissatisfaction where environmental groups have lobbied against any government who even entertains such an idea.

 

[Indian Patriot]

China tops the Olympic medal charts with USA. India is ranked below even countries like Ireland.

And that is supposed to be somehow relevant to this thread or in the sphere of international influence. How educated are you?

India gave china buddhism and culture. Mongols gave china an effective administration under genghiz khan and the great Kublai khan. The europeans which included england, france, russia, belgium (LOL) and also Japan gave china modernity.

the majority of your people live a life which most Europeans lived half a millenia ago

India was a civilisation when england did not even have the concept of society.

and it wont catch up to modern standards until the rest of the world is in flying cars.

Don't know about flying cars but Indian companies are buying english car companies. It says how pathetic england is if Indians like mittal and swaraj paul rule the roost.

Enough with the trolls for now.

As mentioned earlier, nature is against england. A small country with a small population, land mass and no resources cannot have an influence on the world for the simple reason countries like Luxembourg, Lichentenstein and Singapore cannot match the nominal GDP of USA. These countries are far richer than US in actual terms. You will find homeless and poverty even in great USA but it is highly unlikely the same would be true for Luxembourg.

england is a small country and they can grow only that much. The english cannot dictate oil market, nuclear market or any market of strategic importance. English industries will always have to IMPORT to manufacture. And an import based economy cannot dictate terms not unless they have the guts to fight wars like US did.

UK will be relevant only by nominal GDP which is not much larger than India at the moment. After a decade english nominal GDP will pale in comparison to India. Like a super-intelligent chinese poster claimed, GDP PPP is "useless" hence it won't matter if english per capita is 40 times or 400 times bigger than India.

Qatar has one of the highest per capita income. How much influence does qatar have?

There is abject poverty, pollution, corruption and malnutrition in china as well. But still china boasts a high nominal GDP because they are a billion strong. That is ultimately what matters, SIZE.

USA and USSR had massive geographical size, and massive resources. They can dictate terms and have influence and they still do. The english are living in past nostalgia, they would be lucky if Lord Anjum Chaudhary does not become future PM.

The english are a joke now and that is the bitter fact as mentioned by white house that there is nothing left in US-UK relations.

 

[KAL-EL]

I would like a flying car please

 

[Indian Patriot]

I would like a flying car please

Boeing should come up with one.

 

[KAL-EL]

Boeing should come up with one.

I'm all for it if not Boeing, than Lockheed Martin.

 

[Ceonwulf]

england is a small country and they can grow only that much. The english cannot dictate oil market, nuclear market or any market of strategic importance. English industries will always have to IMPORT to manufacture. And an import based economy cannot dictate terms not unless they have the guts to fight wars like US did.

Britain cannot dominate oil market? Then why is the joint British and Dutch oil company the 4th largest company in the entire world? Why is the British BP oil company the 12 largest company in the entire world?

Because British influence grants their businesses prime positions in oil rich countries in the Middle East. The revenue is then divided between Middle Eastern shareholders and London, worth 100s of billions of dollars every year! The the oil and gas is then imported to Britain at relatively cheap prices. This is why even without significant resources in Britain, the UK economy is still strong - because it still has its fingers in other countries resources.

List of largest companies by revenue

I see no Indian companies in that list!

Big British businesses also have huge stakes in the copper, iron and steel resources of Africa (such as Nigeria etc). Same deal as with oil, the revenue is divided between London based corporations and the Nigerian shareholders, worth 10s of billions every year. The copper, iron and steel is then imported cheaply to Britain.

This is very similar method as the old British Empire where British companies dominate the resources of poorer countries, Britain takes her share of the profits back to London and then cheaply imports the resources.

As for nuclear market, well, Britain has more nuclear-power stations producing electricity than India has. Britain has a larger nuclear industrial base than India and Britain has a more powerful nuclear arsenal than India.

The UK is both a bigger exporter and importer than India. So your point about dictating terms means nothing.

You are still a butt hurt Indian

 

[Indian Patriot]

How many barrels of oil does England produce?

Having an oil exploration company and having oil in your geographical boundary are two different things. England does not have a natural right to go to any country and demand permit for oil exploration. The key word here being demand. In an open market the permit will go to the highest bidder.

Of course things are not going like that in ME right now but it will change as demand for hydrocarbon grows and more and more emerging economies compete in arabian oil fields.

You are so much full of confucion that you do not understand such simple things. Russia can today act arrogant, why? Because they are sitting on a pile of oil and other valuable minerals. It is europe who will suffer if Russia is hit with sanctions.

Russia does not need to depend on a foreign country for its oil, natural gas, coal, iron ore etc. England does not have that luxury.

Take the example of the former masters of china, the peaceful Japan. Japan in 20th century followed the english model and it helped them because geographically they are identitcal. Both tiny islands separated from the main continent but with a burning ambition. The Japanese came to china to impart civilisation and modern education to the chinese.

In order to fulfill their dreams they declared war. But Japan had a major drawback. It did not have its own resources to fight a war or sustain a massive economy. It survived on IMPORTS just like england does to this very day. A naval blocade from US navy crushed japanese economy before they even knew what was happening.

England is in the same situation today, the needed and still need IMPORTS.

And economic influence is measured on aid packages. It does not matter if the per capita income is astronomical like in the case of Qatar, what matters is how many billions of dollars in aid package can be spared. England has 2.3 trillion dollar nominal GDP, India has 2 trillion and in 10 years the number will overtake english.

english may have a per capita income of 10,000 or 100,000 it does not matter.

Read and understand certain things before you jump up and down in a thread. You are just a servile chinese still loyal to the english.

On a sidenote the Honk Kong protectorate was given independence in 1997. Just a reminder for you.

 

[Ceonwulf]

How many barrels of oil does England produce?

Having an oil exploration company and having oil in your geographical boundary are two different things. England does not have a natural right to go to any country and demand permit for oil exploration. The key word here being demand. In an open market the permit will go to the highest bidder.

Of course things are not going like that in ME right now but it will change as demand for hydrocarbon grows and more and more emerging economies compete in arabian oil fields.

You are so much full of confucion that you do not understand such simple things. Russia can today act arrogant, why? Because they are sitting on a pile of oil and other valuable minerals. It is europe who will suffer if Russia is hit with sanctions.

Russia does not need to depend on a foreign country for its oil, natural gas, coal, iron ore etc. England does not have that luxury.

Take the example of the former masters of china, the peaceful Japan. Japan in 20th century followed the english model and it helped them because geographically they are identitcal. Both tiny islands separated from the main continent but with a burning ambition. The Japanese came to china to impart civilisation and modern education to the chinese.

In order to fulfill their dreams they declared war. But Japan had a major drawback. It did not have its own resources to fight a war or sustain a massive economy. It survived on IMPORTS just like england does to this very day. A naval blocade from US navy crushed japanese economy before they even knew what was happening.

England is in the same situation today, the needed and still need IMPORTS.

And economic influence is measured on aid packages. It does not matter if the per capita income is astronomical like in the case of Qatar, what matters is how many billions of dollars in aid package can be spared. England has 2.3 trillion dollar nominal GDP, India has 2 trillion and in 10 years the number will overtake english.

english may have a per capita income of 10,000 or 100,000 it does not matter.

Read and understand certain things before you jump up and down in a thread. You are just a servile chinese still loyal to the english.

On a sidenote the Honk Kong protectorate was given independence in 1997. Just a reminder for you.

Yes, in a perfect world oil exploration and production should go to the best bidder. But this is not a perfect world I am afraid.

The fact of the matter is, Britain still has huge influence over its ex-colonies in Africa and the Middle East - so British oil and gas companies get prime positions in their oil industries. That is why the UK -who only has limited natural gas and oil reserves in its North Sea territory- can still maintain HUGE oil and gas companies that are among the largest companies on the entire planet.

Britain is still exploiting the oil resources of its former colonies, and the total revenue and profits is divided between the London corporations and the shareholders in the Middle East. This is one of the reasons why the UK economy is still so strong.

Also, the price at which the UK imports the oil is relatively cheap compared to the world market average. Because the giant UK oil companies in the Middle East are able to influence lower import costs to UK.

The UK imports zero oil and gas from Russia. All of the UKs oil imports come from the Middle East, Norway and North America. The UK also produces around 30% of its own oil and gas needs from the North Sea reserves. So Britain doesn't have to care about Russia turning off the tap, or about Russian arrogance.

May I also remind you that China and India import HUEG amounts of oil from the Middle East too? But we don't have the benefit that Britain has, as our companies don't get to dominate the Middle Eastern oil industry and make huge profits while also setting low import prices. Our deal with the Middle East is just a basic hand over cash and receive oil.

So when you say UK is an importer, also remember that we in China and India are huge importers too.

World Fact Book - Oil production countries: According to the CIA World Fact Book, the UK produces 857,200 BBL/Day from its North Sea reserves. It is the worlds 24th largest oil producer. Just ahead of India. So UK beats India once again.

Mighty China is 4th.

Now lets talk about economics and exporting: World Fact Book - Export countries

In terms of Exports, the UK is the worlds 11th largest exporter. Way ahead of India who is only at 19th place. Why is a little country like Britain exporting more than a big country like India? I thought you said small populations cannot compete with big populations?

Hong Kong is the worlds 9th largest exporter.

Even Singapore and Mexico export more than India.

Yes, I remember 1997 very well. On one had I was sad to see the British go, Hong Kong was created into a magnificent city during their rule. However, I was also excited and proud to see unification with China and now in 2015 with China booming and the 2nd largest economy in the world, I think it was the right decision. I am proud to be Hong Kong Chinese - the best of Britain and China.

 

[Rasengan]

India gave china buddhism and culture. Mongols gave china an effective administration under genghiz khan and the great Kublai khan. The europeans which included england, france, russia, belgium (LOL) and also Japan gave china modernity.

Chinese culture predates the philosophy of Buddhism because the classical books of "I Ching" is its foundation and all other schools of thought came afterwards. The Chinese have always been pioneers in finance, since fiat money was first introduced in the Song Dynasty and the Mongols actually implemented administrative governance based on previous Chinese systems.

Don't know about flying cars but Indian companies are buying english car companies. It says how pathetic england is if Indians like mittal and swaraj paul rule the roost.

Indian companies are purchasing British automobile companies because they regard it as a healthy investment for the future, henceforth they are considered billionaires unlike you who probably works for a call center answering British customers.

As mentioned earlier, nature is against england. A small country with a small population, land mass and no resources cannot have an influence on the world for the simple reason countries like Luxembourg, Lichentenstein and Singapore cannot match the nominal GDP of USA. These countries are far richer than US in actual terms. You will find homeless and poverty even in great USA but it is highly unlikely the same would be true for Luxembourg.

Clearly the United Kingdom does have resources such as coal, oil and other various commodities at its disposal. You should read the thesis of Ross who explained the theory of resource curse, in how nations were prone to lag behind economically due to mismanagement and dictatorial rule.

 

[altaf khan]

And the British economy is 50 percent larger than the Indian economy. This is despite having less than one twentieth of India's population.

yes of course you have bigger economy. but do you know where that money came from? it came from looting us for over 200 years. have some shame not pride.

 

[Rasengan]

Qatar has one of the highest per capita income. How much influence does qatar have?

Qatar has an enormous amount of influence in the Middle East and the World in general because its reserves in oil and gas are hugely significant. Fifa 2022 will be hosted in Doha and not slum dog India.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Qatar has an enormous amount of influence in the Middle East and the World in general because its reserves in oil and gas are hugely significant. Fifa 2022 will be hosted in Doha and not slum dog India.

Go and kiss your Japanese masters instead of trolling here.

Yes, in a perfect world oil exploration and production should go to the best bidder. But this is not a perfect world I am afraid.

England cannot enforce their right. Countries are getting more and more vocal and assertive. Newer economies are emerging and will continue to rise pushing out the older ones and smaller countries like england will pay the price.

As I said economic influence depends on the nominal GDP not per capita income. More and more countries already are and will later induct into the trillion dollar club. And one country's economy rises at the cost of another country's economy. Every country on the planet cannot have a 14 trillion dollar economy.

But one thing fanboys like you are forgetting is that england is already performing at its peak. There is no scope for growth in further sectors. Could have been different if they had oil or a vast land mass for exploration of other minerals. But england is not Russia. Countries like India and Brazil are growing and will continue to grow for another 15-20 years at least which is more than enough to overtake english nominal GDP.

Besides due to growing population plus expansion of infrastructure there will be growing demand for fuel which is hydrocarbon. England with a 2 trillion dollar nominal GDP will offer a 80-20 share of oil profit per oil field, others with a 3-4 trillion dollar nominal GDP can and will offer a better deal than that. It is a small price to pay for the fuel needed to run their industries.

Fan boys like you have never studied history. Many empires starting from the roman to others have declined on a similar basis. The US itself is on a shaky ground but some servile people in honkg kong still believe in the english empire which ended in 1945.

english influence is declining and will continue to decline at a rapid pace. I know you will weep a lot at their ultimate demise but what can you do?