FT: White House no longer sees anything special in UK relations

[Abingdonboy]

I accept that you know more than me but it's definitely the case that these groups have influence
The Sikh federation for example is the largest Sikh organisation in the UK
Sikh Federation (UK) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and they lobby for a seperate Sikh homeland and against the government's banning of groups like the International Sikh Youth Federation.

Like all fanatics they are more organised than the silent (passive) majority, what do you expect? That all the Sikhs that these clowns don't represent form their own group the "anti- XYZ" group?

The overwhelming majority of Sikhs in the UK (and anywhere on this planet) are more than proud to be Indian (or at least of Indian descent) and have nothing to do with Khalistan douche bags.

India is one of the very few countries in the world that gives democracy a bad name, and makes the Chinese authoritarian communist one party system look like a very good system.

Please, the US, Russia and UK do a far greater disservice to democracy, where the leaders are effectively representing a very small elite and effectively homogeneous, than India.


This is the most impressive showcase of democracy I have seen in modern times:

In the US they are still busy creating laws that restrict the most disenfranchised members of society from being allowed to vote and in the UK there is such apathy to politics and the political class that we have, what, a 30% voter turnout? And Russia is a democracy in name only.


India's communal issues have nothing to do with democracy but backwards mindsets but even this is changing at a rapid pace.

 

[Luca1]

Like all fanatics they are more organised than the silent (passive) majority, what do you expect? That all the Sikhs that these clowns don't represent form their own group the "anti- XYZ" group?

The overwhelming majority of Sikhs in the UK (and anywhere on this planet) are more than proud to be Indian (or at least of Indian descent) and have nothing to do with Khalistan douche bags.


Please, the US, Russia and UK do a far greater disservice to democracy, where the leaders are effectively representing a very small elite and effectively homogeneous, than India.


This is the most impressive showcase of democracy I have seen in modern times:

In the US they are still busy creating laws that restrict the most disenfranchised members of society from being allowed to vote and in the UK there is such apathy to politics and the political class that we have, what, a 30% voter turnout? And Russia is a democracy in name only.


India's communal issues have nothing to do with democracy but backwards mindsets but even this is changing at a rapid pace.

Compare England, U.S. or and European democracy with India, you can see which country give democracy a bad name. India is a failed democracy. It give dictatorship reasons not to grant freedom to thir people. Their one question can be"would you want food, sanitation, infrastructure. Or would you want democracy but your country would turn into India." Democracy will disappear from most of the earth if India represents democracy.

 

[Ceonwulf]

LOL at all the little Indians with their inferiority complex about Britain.

The OP article is actually saying that the Americans are worried that British leaders are going to have a negative impact on Britain's status and influence as a major country. If the Americans are worried, it is because they value Britain and know her to be a powerful ally and important international power (UNSC, G7, G8, IMF etc).

In China we do not have an inferiority complex about Britain and we in Hong Kong actually like Britain and thank her for the progress and freedom we have today. So I can tell you this, we in China certainly see Britain as a "Great power" with lots of influence and a big voice in international affairs, but I must agree, that lately British leaders are letting Britain down and if this continues Britain will not be a major power anymore. So the Americans are right to worry.

Again the India has the 4th largest GDP PPP in the world. I bet more than england. You will say individual worth of english is more than that of Inda. And I would say because you have a smaller population and not because you are any better..

Nobody cares about GDP PPP. Only poor countries use it to make themselves feel rich.

It is GDP Nominal that everyone talks about, and that all the economists use to determine economic power comparisons. In GDP Nominal terms, the UK economy is still much much larger than Indias.

 

[Mr.Nair]

LOL at all the little Indians with their inferiority complex about Britain.

The OP article is actually saying that the Americans are worried that British leaders are going to have a negative impact on Britain's status and influence as a major country. If the Americans are worried, it is because they value Britain and know her to be a powerful ally and important international power (UNSC, G7, G8, IMF etc).

In China we do not have an inferiority complex about Britain and we in Hong Kong actually like Britain and thank her for the progress and freedom we have today. So I can tell you this, we in China certainly see Britain as a "Great power" with lots of influence and a big voice in international affairs, but I must agree, that lately British leaders are letting Britain down and if this continues Britain will not be a major power anymore. So the Americans are right to worry.



Nobody cares about GDP PPP. Only poor countries use it to make themselves feel rich.

It is GDP Nominal that everyone talks about, and that all the economists use to determine economic power comparisons. In GDP Nominal terms, the UK economy is still much much larger than Indias.

mmm much much larger

Economy of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Indus Pakistan]

It was a geographical expression for the Greeks. I understand as an American your knowledge on the outside world is non-existent but it is pretty evident that Megasthenes is a Greek name not an Indian.

Those days there was no internet or Google. Tourism too had not developed as a viable industry yet, we are after all talking about 300 B.C. Thus when the Greeks with Alexander discovered this "strange land" then Megasthenes named it Indika.

The british did not create anything. Ancient India extended from Afghanistan to Myanmar. The Bamiyan Buddhas - please Google them - were not build by the british. If anything the british divided India, literally in 1947.

You deluded twat. Indus Basin was the cradle of civilization not your Ganga valley. As everybody knows Indus Basin is Pakistan. Ancient civilization .... shoo boy. The only thing you had ancient was junglee swamp dwellers.

 

[Ceonwulf]

mmm much much larger

Economy of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Official 2014 IMF figures say India is 2 trillion and UK is 2.9 trillion. That a difference of almost 1 trillion. The 2015 IMF figures are still only estimates as the 2015 has not even halfway yet.

But anyway, it is maybe not much much bigger, but it is still bigger nonetheless. And remember, in the UK it only takes 60 million people to make a 2.9 trillion economy, but in India it takes over 1 billion people to make a 2 trillion economy!

IMF say in theor forecasts that even in 2020 UK economy will be bigger than India:
UK 3.7 trillion
India 3.6 trillion

In 2014, China is 10+ trillion and storming ahead.

 

[Luca1]

LOL at all the little Indians with their inferiority complex about Britain.

The OP article is actually saying that the Americans are worried that British leaders are going to have a negative impact on Britain's status and influence as a major country. If the Americans are worried, it is because they value Britain and know her to be a powerful ally and important international power (UNSC, G7, G8, IMF etc).

In China we do not have an inferiority complex about Britain and we in Hong Kong actually like Britain and thank her for the progress and freedom we have today. So I can tell you this, we in China certainly see Britain as a "Great power" with lots of influence and a big voice in international affairs, but I must agree, that lately British leaders are letting Britain down and if this continues Britain will not be a major power anymore. So the Americans are right to worry.

Indians need to learn from Hong Kong people and appreciate what the British had done for the colonies. Indians should be more thankful for therailroads, English language and everything that Britain had provided.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Indians need to learn from Hong Kong people and appreciate what the British had done for the colonies. Indians should be more thankful for therailroads, English language and everything that Britain had provided.

dont mind him bro. he is just bitter because he feels ashamed that his 'great power' country was united/what it is today by another foreign power and the fact that India had to adopt our political system/language to this day. At least East Asian countries have their own national language which is very important for a country's own identity(China, Korea, Japan etc), even European countries have their own national language be it France(french), Germany(german),Spain(spanish) etc. So our shadow still kind of haunts some Indians. So i dont blame him for his hatred/resentment. Not all Indians are like him though, so we should note that, that are many sensible Indians i know personally even here in U.K. So just allow that so called 'Indian patriot'.lool

Official 2014 IMF figures say India is 2 trillion and UK is 2.9 trillion. That a difference of almost 1 trillion. The 2015 IMF figures are still only estimates as the 2015 has not even halfway yet.

But anyway, it is maybe not much much bigger, but it is still bigger nonetheless. And remember, in the UK it only takes 60 million people to make a 2.9 trillion economy, but in India it takes over 1 billion people to make a 2 trillion economy!

IMF say in theor forecasts that even in 2020 UK economy will be bigger than India:
UK 3.7 trillion
India 3.6 trillion

In 2014, China is 10+ trillion and storming ahead.

60 million country with almost 1 trilion more in GDP than a so called great power with over 1.2billion people. I dont even know how he sees this s some sort of achievement for India to be honest. If i was the one, i will just put my head down,bid my time before start boasting. Just like deng said: 'hide your strength(that's if you already have it though.lol) and bide your time'. that wil be better than always boasting.

 

[Luca1]

dont mind him bro. he is just bitter because he feels ashamed that his 'great power' country was united/what it is today by another foreign power and the fact that India had to adopt our political system/language to this day. At least East Asian countries have their own national language which is very important for a country's own identity(China, Korea, Japan etc), even European countries have their own national language be it France(french), Germany(german),Spain(spanish) etc. So our shadow still kind of haunts some Indians. So i dont blame him for his hatred/resentment. Not all Indians are like him though, so we should note that, that are many sensible Indians i know personally even here in U.K. So just allow that so called 'Indian patriot'.lool



60 million country with almost 1 trilion more in GDP than a so called great power with over 1.2billion people. I dont even know how he sees this s some sort of achievement for India to be honest. If i was the one, i will just put my head down,bid my time before start boasting. Just like deng said: 'hide your strength(that's if you already have it though.lol) and bide your time'. that wil be better than always boasting.

You are quoting Deng in front of an Indian? You must be Chinese. LOL

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Have a look that the map below that will bust your bubble. Nothing like good old facts and Google Earth to knock the 'Ancient' out of India. The truth is all the 'Ancient' is in Pakistan.

In act of gross deception the Indian's use Pakistan's heritage to embelish image of India in front of the world. Historical duplicity means Indus basin, Pakistan becomes India's heritage.

* All the sites marked green are proto Indus Sites. You will notice they are mostly in West of Pakistan, in Iran ( Tepe Yayha ) or Afghanistan/Turkmenistan.

* All the blue sites are Indus Valley Civilization sites and we all know Indus is to Pakistan what Nile is to Egypt.

* The line marked red covers the Gandhara Kingdom which later on would become site of Greek Kingdoms. This again mostly is in Pakistan but overlaps into Afghanistan.

* The centre of Gandhara was Taxila in Pakistan in which was site of the first university in the world. You can see on the map most sites are centred on Pakistan.

In the shadow of Pakistan there might be some stray sites in India but care to show us the Ancient India and locations therewith please?

And don't play that name game with me. If my name is Alexander it does not make me Alexander the great. Asia in 100BC meant Anatolia Turkey today in US it is understood to mean the China/Japan etc.


Edit: India is MADE IN BRITAIN more than fish an chips. The Indian flag should have a small Union Jack stamped on it like Australia. There was NO India before British came and got busy making it. The British gave it the name, 'India', the language 'Hindi', the religion, 'Hindu', the borders, the railways, the capital which, New Delhi they built in 1920s.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Those days there was no internet or Google. Tourism too had not developed as a viable industry yet, we are after all talking about 300 B.C. Thus when the Greeks with Alexander discovered this "strange land" then Megasthenes named it Indika.

Rubbish. The only strange land Alexander discovered was what is now Pakistan. If he called it India he definitly did not mean India as we understand it in 2015. Just because Columbus thought he landed in India in 1492 does not mean it was today's India. Have a look at the map below and you will see the farthest Alexander went was today's Pakistan. The yellow area marks his conquest and red line his route.

You Indian's have repeated this 'Hindu history' so much that I think you realy and genuinly believe this revisionism rubbish.

The british did not create anything. Ancient India extended from Afghanistan to Myanmar. The Bamiyan Buddhas - please Google them - were not build by the british. If anything the british divided India, literally in 1947.

Rubbish. Substantiate this wild claim. Is this based on Hindu myth ? I will be glad to bust this as well.

 

[Luca1]

India is too big and unwieldy to manage but to say it is not democratic is ridiculous. Indian voters especially from rural areas have proved that democracy is alive and kicking.

Proud ppl when given a choice between materialistic desires and freedom they will obviously choose freedom. Indias ppl are poor but they have choice and freedom to create their own destiny irrespective of all the hurdles.

I never said that India was not a democracy. But if India represent democracy, it would make dictatorship a more prefer form of government. India equate democracy to corruption, disrespect toward woman, rigid social structure, and poverty. This is not what western democracy is all about. But this is Indian democracy. Maybe India would do better with dictatorship.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Rubbish. The only strange land Alexander discovered was what is now Pakistan. If he called it India he definitly did not mean India as we understand it in 2015. Just because Columbus thought he landed in India in 1492 does not mean it was today's India. Have a look at the map below and you will see the farthest Alexander went was today's Pakistan. The yellow area marks his conquest and red line his route.

You Indian's have repeated this 'Hindu history' so much that I think you realy and genuinly believe this revisionism rubbish.

Yeah no shit. When those same Greek found out there was more lands past the Indus, they also named all of the Subcontinent, India.

This isn't, "Hindu history". Megasthenes, a Greek ambassador to the Mauryan court all the way in Pataliputra wrote a book called Indica, describing all of India, not just the Indus region. He wasnt the only one out the Mediterranean to do so, several other Romans, Greeks, etc. did the same. These became a reference point for knowledgeable Europeans about India.

Edit: India is MADE IN BRITAIN more than fish an chips. The Indian flag should have a small Union Jack stamped on it like Australia. There was NO India before British came and got busy making it. The British gave it the name, 'India', the language 'Hindi', the religion, 'Hindu', the borders, the railways, the capital which, New Delhi they built in 1920s.

Good one. The railways and it's borders are British made.

But "Hindu" is basically another Middle Eastern term for Indian. "Hindi" is a local North Indian dialect mixed with M.E. influences. New Delhi was the capital of the Islamic empires well before the British. Thanks for the rant.

 

[Indian Patriot]

LOOL India is not only farrrrr poorer than China, but has had far more deaths due to riots/communal clashes than China by farrrrrr. Truth be told, India is one of the very few countries in the world that gives democracy a bad name, and makes the Chinese authoritarian communist one party system look like a very good system.

I appreciate your grave concern for the poverty of India. But how does Indian poverty diminish the fact that england is bankrupt when it comes to the currency of political influence in the world?

India became "farrrrr" (wrong english by the way) poorer than many countries because of 200 years of british rule. It is not magic that a country like england which has no coal, iron, oil, cotton or anything worthwhile had become so rich. Unfortunately england does not have any colonies today except falklands and thus england has zero influence. Truth be told the nazis were better human beings than the english colonial empire, but we are not discussing that right now.

You are unable to negate or deny the fact that england today is the world's laughing stock when it comes to political matters. So like a 10 year old you bring in Indian poverty to make yourself feel good.

Neo nazis parties like UKIP?? bro think i should just stop here, arguing with you is useless, i dont think you really understand some things you say about the U.K. You have already made me said things about India i didnt want to say. So guess i should just stop here.

Yes, neo-nazi parties. The nazis had a far right-wing ideology and the UKIP shares the same right-wing ideology. They want a ban on immigrants and want white privilege. How is that different from political racism and neo-nazism? Do you even know what neo-nazism is?

Your saying good things or bad things about India does not change anything at all. I don't know what you think of yourself but you are just one anonymous individual. You calling India as a gutter will not make India a gutter or you saying sweet lies of India being a super-power will not become true either. You are just beating around the bush like a cry-baby. Children like you who have easy access to the internet believe in your fantasy-reality. Real world works in a slightly different way.

UK is a relic of the past, a useless artifact which has no place in modern politics. Talking about england in 21st century is as obsolete as talking about the roman empire today. Both are extinct.

england today is reeling under race issues, immigration issues and a changing cultural identity so much so that immigration is now a major poll gimmick. Besides that england is also facing the heat on UK as recently scotland had a referendum for independence, and nearly managed to break away. england's economy is a mess and will continue to remain so because english factories no longer have the free raw materials they once had access to. Militarily speaking england is a joke. In politics without a strong economy and a strong military a nation has no respect. england is an abject failure on both the countrs and will continue to remain so indefinitely.

Your talks about Indian poverty cannot deny what I said.

Compare England, U.S. or and European democracy with India, you can see which country give democracy a bad name.

When was the last time US had a female president? Oh yea, they never had. US has a misogynist political structure. And the less said about institutional racism and gun culture of USA the better.

Nobody cares about GDP PPP. Only poor countries use it to make themselves feel rich.

If nobody cares about GDP PPP then why is it in effect?

You deluded twat. Indus Basin was the cradle of civilization not your Ganga valley. As everybody knows Indus Basin is Pakistan. Ancient civilization .... shoo boy. The only thing you had ancient was junglee swamp dwellers.

Mind your language you old TWAT.

Your pakistan did not exist before 1947, so what pakistani history are you talking about? And it is rich a pakistani calling others as swamp dwellers when half of pakistan is under the grip of civil war and a million people are living in refugee camps.

 

[Makaramarma]

That I agree with you. But it is a pity China had to learn Buddhism from India.

Besides the Mughal empire was the best empire of India. And please don't forget Indian soldiers had to save China from Japan.

Ah... you are a Indian MUSLIM