FT: White House no longer sees anything special in UK relations

[kakathiya]

You said it all, the land beyond Indus River. So you just described India as a geographical expression. Which it is before the British created India.

are madam ji you will not understand Hindus you will have take another janma to know about India you, you should have not heard about, the famous hymn," bharatha khande, bharatha varshe, jamboo dweepe, kamboje, champa aranye, namami" lands of the hindus included todays india, pakistan,afghanistan, nepal, bangladesh, srilanka, indoneshia, burma, thailand, combodia, vietnam, laos, philipines and some parts of central asia,

 

[mike2000 is back]

The discussion is about USA kicking out england from its coveted place. What has India got to do here? And a developed western country burned for three straight nights due to race riots and a soldier was beheaded in full public view in broad daylight.

Is India poor? Yes. Is India backward? Yes.

But how does that excuse the fact that england is irrelevant in modern world. What can england do? Can england influence in iraq, syria, afghanistan? Can england mediate in the pacific ocean crisis where SEA countries are at each other's throats? Can england resolve the ukraine crisis? Or can england do anything about the ISIS menace? WHAT exactly can england do? You have to hold Uncle Sam's finger to cross the road, without US protection england does not exist. India's poverty or lack of poverty will not change that fact.

And I honestly don't care what these emotional compatriots of mine think or have to say. I speak the truth and only the truth. You think this is still the victorian era and england has an empire. Sadly this is not the case for you. England's time is long over. You are a sad joke now that fails to elicit laughter.

Go ahead and make India look bad on an internet forum. Ground realities are not changed that way. Mock India or bring out the poverty card for all I care. Yes India is poor and I admit that, just as I admit that england is worth less than nothing in international community.

A developed country like the U.K did have a riot(very rare one, In india its usually in the thousands with thousands of deaths which makes China's deadliest Urumqi riot seem like a child play.lol) which was a veryyy rare event, reason it made the headline news acros the globe, even the U.S had even more riots than the U.K does that means the U.S is broke/insignificant or whatever??lool

You say England is irrelevant, if we were irrelevant that will mean India is not even in this world at all, since you have farrr less influence in the world thn us. The day you and the world stop speaking our language, the day you have better universities(im talking about your so called ITTs lool)/eductaions system than the U.K(which has the best uni in the world second ony to the U.S), the day we(London) stop being the world financial hub/capital(along with New york), The day our passport stop being the world most powerful one(along with the U.S), the day we are no more a P-5 member(something you are still begging for invane after over half a century, the day we dont have anymore overseas territory far away from our home osoil acroos the other side of the ocean, the day we stop being among the wolrd's top arms exporters(India is still the largest importer.lol it imprts even from smal insignificant U.K. LMAO), the day your(and many other developing countries) officials/wealthy citizens and people stop dreaming of sending their kids here to live a better life/study and live themselves/emmigrate here, the day we stop being the world's second-largest aerospace manufacturer(YES we are with 17% of the global market, behind only America, Aerospace industry in the UK: investment opportunities - GOV.UK the day we stop having the worlds largest/most adavanced engine maker(at par with U.S), the day we stop having one of the world largest/pioneering multinational semiconductor and software design company(ARM) etc etc etc then i will know we are irrelevant and India and other Asian powers are world super power indeed.lol

So the fact that we might have made decisions that might diverge with the U.S doesnt means we are irrelevant or that we are no longer partners with the U.S. fact of the matter is, we always look first and foremost after our interests, joining the AIIB despite open U.S presure/displeasure, our parliament refusing to invade Syria(with U.S) and WE being part of the E.U while maitaining our currency/refusing to join the Eurozone are all examples of how we look first and foremosts after our interests. Our people are against any more foreign mlitary intervention, reason they have been pressuring our government to cut military spending(its not like we dont have the money/capital, after all we have a larger GDP than Russia and India, and a much smaller population) and instead focus on improving our already high living standards/social amenities etc. In fact thats what India(and other developing countries) should be doing, instead of wasting its hard earn cash buying weapons from our companies in the west/U.S/Russia by the billions of dollars, just because it wants to show its a 'world power' while its people go hungry everyday/have one of the lowest standards of living/infrastructure in the world and the country is even poorer than Africa(i dont see who you are trying to impress with your imported weapons, afterall you are already a nuclear weapon state, so no country will ever dare invade you).

So you have to put things into perspective always.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Wrong guy's. UK is and will remain No 1 on US radar. That is a fact and no amount of delusion is going to change that. As a resident of UK I frankly feel this country has a lot to offer to the world and is still the 'happening' place.

The European Community is one of the worlds largest trading blocks and is growing in size and relevance. UK is the pivot and the linkage between USA and Europe.

From the American perspective 'UK' is our man in Europe and from European perspective 'UK' is our man in USA. This is not about to change and being the fulcrum of the Atlantic world is not be be laughed at.

Edit: Powerjust does not come from guns and bullets. London is international capital period.

There is no denying the impact of england on human history. Only a fool will say otherwise. But english glory days are a thing of the past. England talking proudly of "political influence" is like the Italians boasting of roman empire, greeks/macedonians boasting of alexander, mongols boasting of genghiz khan, egyptians boasting of ramses and the pyramids etc etc. It is all in the PAST.

Europe maybe a trading bloc but the market is most definitely Asia. And it is Germany who calls the shots in Europe, without Germany EU will not last a year - and that is no exaggeration.

 

[Steve781]

I'm a British Sikh so i think I have a bit more knowledge on this matter than yourself mate.

"large numbers" only because there are a lot of Sikhs in the UK but as a proportion of the Sikh population they are a fraction of a percent, those crazies are just loud mouths, the vast (silent) majority are more patriotic towards India than you would believe.

I accept that you know more than me but it's definitely the case that these groups have influence
The Sikh federation for example is the largest Sikh organisation in the UK
Sikh Federation (UK) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and they lobby for a seperate Sikh homeland and against the government's banning of groups like the International Sikh Youth Federation.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Really?

The jet engine, the universal language - English, radio ranging and acquisition, the telephone, television, the light bulb, the bicycle, the electric motor, the battle tank and jet fighter aircraft, aircraft carrier too.

Composite armors, safety fuses, the Electrocardiograph, Penicillin, the Smallpox vaccine, stainless steel, the hydraulic press, modern economic principles, the microwave, gas turbines, wind tunnels, weather maps, VTOL, heads-up-displays, hydrophones - and by association, sonar, the chocolate bar.

I can go on, the British have contributed a lot to our modern world. Certainly a lot more than colonialism.



Pretty damn good for such an "insignificant" little island.

Adding one to your list Big fan of Sir Hugh Laurie BTW

 

[Steve781]

And when the British Empire went into India, india accounted for 20-22% of global GDP and when India gained independence it accounted for 2% with 90% poverty whilst the converse was true for Britain.

I agree colonialism probably had a negative influence on India's economy but it cannot account for the difference in living standards between the two countries today because it was much smaller prior to independence.

Indian GDP is 2 trillion dollars. If english economy is "twenty times higher" than India then what is english economy worth, 40 TRILLION dollars?

I said GDP PER CAPITA. Do keep up.

 

[Indian Patriot]

A developed country like the U.K did have a riot(very rare one, In india is in the thousands/uncountable with thousandsof deaths which makes China's deadliest Urumqi riot seem like a child play.lol) which was a veryyy rare event, reason it made the headline news acros the globe, even the U.S had even more riots than the U.K does that means the U.S is broke/insignificant or whatever??lool

That's a white lie which you said just to make yourself feel better. The race riots in London are just one thing. I have not even started with the neo-nazi parties like UKIP or the no-go areas for whites in england. Or for that matter sharia banking. You guys are a laughing stock.

You say England is irrelevant, if we were irrelevant that will mean India is not even in this world at all, since you have farrr less influence in the world thn us.

Again you are dragging India's name. Yes India has little to no influence on the world barring those in NAM or SAARC. How does THAT excuse the pitiable position of england in international community? Having more influence than India does not mean england has political influence.

India is economically richer than pakistan, so it means India is world's richest country?

So the fact that we might have made decisions that might diverge with the U.S doesnt means we are irrelevant or that we are no more partners with the U.S

Yes you will partner US because YOU need them, they don't need you. Without US umbrella england is no better than swaziland.

 

[kakathiya]

You said it all, the land beyond Indus River. So you just described India as a geographical expression. Which it is before the British created India.

before britishers it was called as the continent of bharatha(bharatha khanda) indus river was/is just a part of hindu continent, have you not heard that india even today is called as sub continent, the landmass where sanathana dharma (which include buddhism, jainism, sikhism) thrived and is thriving was/is called as bharatha khanda

 

[Indus Pakistan]

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I see your point but UK remains and will continue to be the fulcrum of US role in Europe. Germany always had the economy. That is not new. What qualified UK above Germany and France was Britain has a relationship above and beyond all others with US. The Anglo Saxon connection is too strong. It is not to be taken lighty.

UK has vast amount of moral weight around the world. I have travelled on my British passport all over the world and it is a badge of honour anywhere. 200 years of world domination is not about to evaporate overnight. In addition the US factor and as the axis between North America and Europe you have a country as relevant as it was 20 years ago.

In addition UK economy is growing and with population increase some forecasts are it could be NO 1 in Europe. So do not knock of UK. There is much life left in this horse.

 

[Indian Patriot]

I said GDP PER CAPITA. Do keep up.

Again the India has the 4th largest GDP PPP in the world. I bet more than england. You will say individual worth of english is more than that of Inda. And I would say because you have a smaller population and not because you are any better.

^
I see your point but UK remains and will continue to be the fulcrum of US role in Europe. Germany always had the economy. That is not new. What qualified UK above Germany and France was Britain has a relationship above and beyond all others with US. The Anglo Saxon connection is too strong. It is not to be taken lighty.

UK has vast amount of moral weight around the world. I have travelled on my British passport all over the world and it is a badge of honour anywhere. 200 years of world domination is not about to evaporate overnight. In addition the US factor and as the axis between North America and Europe you have a country as relevant as it was 20 years ago.

In addition UK economy is growing and with population increase some forecasts are it could be NO 1 in Europe. So do not knock of UK. There is much life left in this horse.

German economy was pulverised after both world wars and it suffered even more after the fall of the berlin wall. West germany had to absorb the poorer section of east germany but still they thrived and made an economic marvel.

Yes england has a special relation with US and it may not be polite to name their relationship in "accurate words". But that is because America is in technical terms an extension of england. George Washington and the founding fathers of US were technically british citizens. Yes there were people from all over europe in "the new land" but it was english domain in practice.

English prestige is a result of their colonialism and not something that this present generation has earned. Every year, every decade the english influence will wane. It won't evaporate overnight like you rightly said but it IS evaporating as we speak.

english economy is not growing, it is in the same condition like US economy maybe slightly better. Only european economy of serious importance is Germany.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

That's a white lie which you said just to make yourself feel better. The race riots in London are just one thing. I have not even started with the neo-nazi parties like UKIP or the no-go areas for whites in england. Or for that matter sharia banking. You guys are a laughing stock.

Have you ever been to UK? You really need to see this country instead of reading rubbish.

India is economically richer than pakistan, so it means India is world's richest country?

Really? How about 230 million starving Indian's more than entire population of Pakistan.

*Indian poverty levels higher than Pakistan's, says UN report - Telegraph
*More of world's poor live in India than in all sub-Saharan Africa, says study | World news | The Guardian

 

[Indian Patriot]

Have you ever been to UK? You really need to see this country instead of reading rubbish.

So in your reality there are no race riots in london or any such problems?

Really? How about 230 million starving Indian's more than entire population of Pakistan.

Really? Then how about a 400 million strong middle class population which is more than double the entire population of pakistan?

GDP, GDP PPP, per capita you guys are inferior and poorer than India.

 

[Steve781]

I have not even started with the neo-nazi parties like UKIP

 

[Indian Patriot]

A very compelling response.

 

[mike2000 is back]

That's a white lie which you said just to make yourself feel better. The race riots in London are just one thing. I have not even started with the neo-nazi parties like UKIP or the no-go areas for whites in england. Or for that matter sharia banking. You guys are a laughing stock.



Again you are dragging India's name. Yes India has little to no influence on the world barring those in NAM or SAARC. How does THAT excuse the pitiable position of england in international community? Having more influence than India does not mean england has political influence.

India is economically richer than pakistan, so it means India is world's richest country?



Yes you will partner US because YOU need them, they don't need you. Without US umbrella england is no better than swaziland.

LOOL India is not only farrrrr poorer than China, but has had far more deaths due to riots/communal clashes than China by farrrrrr. Truth be told, India is one of the very few countries in the world that gives democracy a bad name, and makes the Chinese authoritarian communist one party system look like a very good system.

Neo nazis parties like UKIP?? bro think i should just stop here, arguing with you is useless, i dont think you really understand some things you say about the U.K. You have already made me said things about India i didnt want to say. So guess i should just stop here.

he is indeed quite funny. He sound to me like the Chinese version of the now defunct Superboy. If i knew he was Superboy's mate, i wouldnt have bothered even replying to him, better to face other more sensible/sane indian members on here. I ADVICE YOU TO DO THE SAME BRO.