France Suspends its Participation in NATO SeaGuardian after standoff with Turkey

[Vergennes]

Following a naval incident on June 10 off Libya between French and Turkish frigates, France expresses its dissatisfaction with NATO, deemed not severe enough with Turkey

The Permanent Representative of France to NATO, Muriel Domenach, sent a letter on Tuesday 30 June to Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, of which L'Opinion has become aware. President Macron spoke on Monday of "criminal responsibility" of Turkey in Libya.

Obviously dissatisfied with the lack of NATO support in the Libyan affair, France has decided to "suspend" its participation in the naval operation of the NATO Sea Guardian in the Mediterranean.

This decision, which was notified Tuesday to NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg and the allies, follows a naval incident on June 10 off Libya between the French frigate Courbet and the Turkish frigate Oruçreis, of which l'Opinion had traced the details.

Following protests by French Minister of the Armed Forces Florence Parly, NATO decided on June 18 to open an investigation. This "investigation report did not make it possible to establish the facts correctly" judges France today, which estimates that NATO spares too much the Turkish part. Hence the choice to "suspend the participation of French naval air assets (frigates and maritime patrol aircraft in the Sea Guardian operation"). Launched in 2016, this allied operation of "maritime security" in the Mediterranean provides in particular support for counter- terrorism.

Through the voice of its permanent representative to NATO, Muriel Domenach, France “awaits a clarification of the conditions of use of the ships [engaged in the operation], in particular their rules of behavior, and the terms of cooperation with the European Union operation Irini. The latter, launched on March 31, aims to secure the international arms embargo on Libya.

Isolation. France’s decision is yet another sign of mounting tensions between France and Turkey (a NATO member) and the isolation of Paris within the Atlantic Alliance. The Allies, especially the United States, wanted to spare Turkey and, unlike Paris, were more worried about the increase in Russian influence in Libya.

https://www.lopinion.fr/edition/int...ticipation-a-l-operation-navale-l-otan-219461

 

[Bilal9]

US wants to keep Turkey in the sphere as a counterpoint to Russia.

France can sit this one out in the bleachers if they want and they can pout.

Seems they can't deal with the change of status quo.

 

[TNT]

Slowly the french will be put in their place. French are the biggest cowards, they are basically letting russia come close to southern europe just for few oil contracts. Even the US and NATO have realized the french are becoming a burden.
Funny how these fagg*** whine about Turkish ship when they ran away from Turkish ships but what about the javelin missiles found with haftar forces? These hypocrites blame others while they r caught red handed. The US confirmed the javelin missiles found in Libya were initially supplied to france. Hypocrites have no shame.

 

[Vergennes]

Slowly the french will be put in their place. French are the biggest cowards, they are basically letting russia come close to southern europe just for few oil contracts. Even the US and NATO have realized the french are becoming a burden.
Funny how these fagg*** whine about Turkish ship when they ran away from Turkish ships but what about the javelin missiles found with haftar forces? These hypocrites blame others while they r caught red handed. The US confirmed the javelin missiles found in Libya were initially supplied to france. Hypocrites have no shame.

You do know within an hour of the incident France sent in emergency several warships,maritime patrol aircraft and several Rafale over the area ? Nobody ran away. Turkish Navy is surely a credible opponent but not a threat to the French Navy.

Do not take Europeans lack of political will as being afraid of Turkey and its sultan or some. If you really think French interests and concerns in Libya are all about "few oil" contracts,then you are clearly mistaken.

 

[bsruzm]

Awww...

Do not take Europeans lack of political will as being afraid of Turkey and its sultan or some.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Turkey is no match to France both in terms of economy and military. For now, Turkey and France should sort out their differences over Libya. Whatever is happening in middle east, or in Northern Africa, shouldn't effect France so don't understand why France is poking so much nose there.

 

[TNT]

You do know within an hour of the incident France sent in emergency several warships,maritime patrol aircraft and several Rafale over the area ? Nobody ran away. Turkish Navy is surely a credible opponent but not a threat to the French Navy.

Do not take Europeans lack of political will as being afraid of Turkey and its sultan or some. If you really think French interests and concerns in Libya are all about "few oil" contracts,then you are clearly mistaken.

Dont give it a european picture, the french dont care about europe, they only worry abt themselves and are ready to put Europe under the russian train if it helps them.
Turkey still is and will keep helping GNA a UN recognized democratic govt, unlike the french who support dictator and war criminal, so much for being civilized. Btthe way u didnt answer abt the javelin missiles, how can u blame Turks if u urself are selling american weapons to a dictator? I guess little macron is stuck.

 

[Vergennes]

Dont give it a european picture, the french dont care about europe, they only worry abt themselves and are ready to put Europe under the russian train if it helps them.
Turkey still is and will keep helping GNA a UN recognized democratic govt, unlike the french who support dictator and war criminal, so much for being civilized. Btthe way u didnt answer abt the javelin missiles, how can u blame Turks if u urself are selling american weapons to a dictator? I guess little macron is stuck.

Let's see,you are comparing ;

Few Javelin missiles sent to Libya to protect French special forces deployed there few years ago on counterterrorism operations supporting the LNA against ISIS,in Bengahzi notably. You could argue about how 4 missiles ended up in LNA hands,missiles who were anyway awaiting destruction and not usable.

To ;

Turkey sending thousands and thousands of Syrian mercenaries + entire cargo ships and transport aircrafts full of weapons to Libya ? Sending undisclosed number of weapons,drones,armored vehicles etc.. directly violating an UN embargo.... you guys use the UN only when it suits you.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Viva la Turkiye.

 

[Nein]

Let's see,you are comparing ;

Few Javelin missiles sent to Libya to protect French special forces deployed there few years ago on counterterrorism operations supporting the LNA against ISIS,in Bengahzi notably. You could argue about how 4 missiles ended up in LNA hands,missiles who were anyway awaiting destruction and not usable.

To ;

Turkey sending thousands and thousands of Syrian mercenaries + entire cargo ships and transport aircrafts full of weapons to Libya ? Sending undisclosed number of weapons,drones,armored vehicles etc.. directly violating an UN embargo.... you guys use the UN only when it suits you.

You guys use the un for your own benefit.

So dont cry about it.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

You do know within an hour of the incident France sent in emergency several warships,maritime patrol aircraft and several Rafale over the area ? Nobody ran away. Turkish Navy is surely a credible opponent but not a threat to the French Navy.

Do not take Europeans lack of political will as being afraid of Turkey and its sultan or some. If you really think French interests and concerns in Libya are all about "few oil" contracts,then you are clearly mistaken.

Wait and Watch France will be defeated and will come under Islam. Not every war happens in Torus

 

[Khagan1923]

Short TLDR:

France makes a baseless claim about its ship being targeted after trying to help out their warcriminal buddy Hafter, Turkey provides evidence of the contrary, France is unable to provide one bit of evidence showing Turkish Warships were being aggressive.

NATO confirms that France lied, Macron aka little wanna be Napoleon gets butthurt because he thinks he can make baseless claims and everyone else will follow him because he actually thinks others have to follow France and just because Turkey is a muslim country he can throw around lies and can't accept that fat bitch slap he has gotten so he whines little like the little child he is and says he won't play with the others anymore while the rest of NATO don't really care for his temper trantrums.

Not even gonna get into the balant support of France for a proven warcriminal warlord in Hafter, the same Hafter that Russia supports to gain Naval and Air Bases inside Libya to build a staging point for attacks and destabilization of the mediterranean and Southern Europe, France is literally in a coalition with Russia and has the nerves to call others a destabilization factore inside NATO and NATO braindead just because NATO doesn't accept France as its overlord. Then you have the UAE factor that deserve its own post.

France has no standing, no legitimacy, and with each unhinched Macron statement re: Libya more of an joke in everyone's eyes. When you have the staunches critics of Turkey call you out you should know that you done **** up.

 

[hussain0216]

Why is France poking it's nose in?

 

[Khagan1923]

Let's see,you are comparing ;

Few Javelin missiles sent to Libya to protect French special forces deployed there few years ago on counterterrorism operations supporting the LNA against ISIS,in Bengahzi notably. You could argue about how 4 missiles ended up in LNA hands,missiles who were anyway awaiting destruction and not usable.

To ;

Turkey sending thousands and thousands of Syrian mercenaries + entire cargo ships and transport aircrafts full of weapons to Libya ? Sending undisclosed number of weapons,drones,armored vehicles etc.. directly violating an UN embargo.... you guys use the UN only when it suits you.

Gharyan is in west Libya south of Tripoli, Benghazi in east Libya, the **** are you talking about. Javelin from France were found south from Tripoli being used against the only legitimate Government in Libya. Your country is acting rogue supporting warcriminals for money and being a bitch to the UAE and then act like as if your are a superpower. No one takes you serious not the US, not Germany, not Britain, not Turkey, not Russia and sure as hell not NATO.
And Macron is sure as hell not respected on the political scene. Next to someone like Merkel he looks like the whiny child he is. He doesn't get his criminal way? 'He cries around about other being criminal, while his own *** is islamophobic, racist and criminal.

Turkey is in Libya on behalf of the elected and international recognized government, what fucking ground has your rogue country on being in Libya other than wanting that sweet oil and gas and being the Foreign Policy puppet of the UAE.

And LNA has literally radical muslim elements in it but go off chef. Its not like Hafter Spokeperson called for Jihads literally one month ago when they were getting their asses handed to them.

But I forget radical islam and Jihads become cool when they serve the imperialistic goals of western countries only once they serve interests of the population of a Muslim country or those interests actively or passively hurt western interests in sad country then SUDDENLY radical islam and jihads are the biggest threat to the world and the population of western countries. And Muslim civilians need to be bombed and killed.

Trump: "Everything Macron/France touches turns to shit!"

GTFOH.

 

[TNT]

Let's see,you are comparing ;

Few Javelin missiles sent to Libya to protect French special forces deployed there few years ago on counterterrorism operations supporting the LNA against ISIS,in Bengahzi notably. You could argue about how 4 missiles ended up in LNA hands,missiles who were anyway awaiting destruction and not usable.

To ;

Turkey sending thousands and thousands of Syrian mercenaries + entire cargo ships and transport aircrafts full of weapons to Libya ? Sending undisclosed number of weapons,drones,armored vehicles etc.. directly violating an UN embargo.... you guys use the UN only when it suits you.

Hahahha nice excuse, the javelins were caught, how many more will there be. Also compare that to thousands of Sudanese and russian mercenaries, drones, APCs, ATGMs, SAMs etc sent to LNA by UAE, Russia, Egypt and France. How else do u think a would be dictator ended up with thise sophisticated weapons? Isnt that violation of UN??