France Suspends its Participation in NATO SeaGuardian after standoff with Turkey

[azyr]

France is a proud country and has been that throughout her history. Even though she's been ruthless and even despicable at times, I still respect her weight in this world.

Having said that though, waning power and strong and weak leaders are just part of the cycle and currently France is trying to impose herself when they're not in a particularly strong state.

Normally the state mind reaching hundreds of years back would bide it's time and act accordingly but unfortunately for France and NATO they have a weak and insecure piece of shit at the helm that desperately wants to compensate for the fact that he's the weak willed laughing stock of the western world.

So this Napoleon wannabe has dragged Frances name through the mud.

This isn't the end of it though, he will continue to try and prove himself in vain while dragging his allies and country down to his level.

 

[Vergennes]

Hahahha nice excuse, the javelins were caught, how many more will there be. Also compare that to thousands of Sudanese and russian mercenaries, drones, APCs, ATGMs, SAMs etc sent to LNA by UAE, Russia, Egypt and France. How else do u think a would be dictator ended up with thise sophisticated weapons? Isnt that violation of UN??

260 Javelin missiles were ordered for the French contingent in Afghanistan,most of the stock already used there. Few dozens at most were probably sent to the French special forces deployed in eastern Libya to support LNA against ISIS.

A part from 4 unusable Javelin missiles found in LNA stock (even that is discutable),there's no credible proof of any direct French military support to Haftar against the GNA. French support to Haftar is more on the diplomatic side compared to the UAE,Russia and Egypt for exemple who are much more involved militarily.

 

[LienNoir]

French support to Haftar is more on the diplomatic side compared to the UAE,Russia and Egypt for exemple who are much more involved militarily.

Yeah France is Neutral guys.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1278431833122799617

 

[Vergennes]

Yeah France is Neutral guys.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1278431833122799617

You do know Haftar is referring to the support France gave to the LNA few years ago by deploying advisors and special forces to oust ISIS out of eastern Libya ?

 

[-SINAN-]

Yeah France is Neutral guys.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1278431833122799617

This is really becoming embarrassing for Macron.

 

[TNT]

260 Javelin missiles were ordered for the French contingent in Afghanistan,most of the stock already used there. Few dozens at most were probably sent to the French special forces deployed in eastern Libya to support LNA against ISIS.

A part from 4 unusable Javelin missiles found in LNA stock (even that is discutable),there's no credible proof of any direct French military support to Haftar against the GNA. French support to Haftar is more on the diplomatic side compared to the UAE,Russia and Egypt for exemple who are much more involved militarily.

So u accept UAE and Russia are involved militarily, breaking UN rules, and france is supporting them, how is that ok? You can support rogue wanna be dictators, u can support the countries breaking UN resolutions and yet u blame others of breaking UN rules, what kind of hypocrisy is that?
Again the javelins were given to French forces, why did they hand them over to LNA? Who said they were unusable? These are stupid excuses. Who knows if 100 of those 260 been given to LNA, french barely went out of their secured camps in Afghanistan, i doubt they used any.

 

[Dalit]

So u accept UAE and Russia are involved militarily, breaking UN rules, and france is supporting them, how is that ok? You can support rogue wanna be dictators, u can support the countries breaking UN resolutions and yet u blame others of breaking UN rules, what kind of hypocrisy is that?
Again the javelins were given to French forces, why did they hand them over to LNA? Who said they were unusable? These are stupid excuses. Who knows if 100 of those 260 been given to LNA, french barely went out of their secured camps in Afghanistan, i doubt they used any.

This is the same guy who admitted that democracy and human rights only exists in name when pressed on Indian abuses in occupied Kashmir. He has no issues when France sells high tech weapons to a human rights abuser.

 

[dBSPL]

French foreign affairs and security bureaucracy should stop speaking silly and must hold its responsible by making the necessary explanation to NATO.

Due to Macron's foreign policy team's un-visioned ambitions and the insistence over warlord Hafter and its mercenaries , Russia's A2AD capability is now institutionalized in the south corridor of NATO. The centuries-old dream of Russia has come true.

Despite all the efforts of France, If the unresponsiveness of the main NATO actors such as the USA and the UK cannot explain anything to Macron, there is indeed we have brain death situation.

 

[Ansu fati]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1278655016778248198

take the L little napoleon hahahahah

 

[American Pakistani]

France have zero business in Muslim world because they are severely biased against Muslims. Why are they in Libya? Was Syria destruction not enough to sooth up their ego?

 

[Pandora]

You do know within an hour of the incident France sent in emergency several warships,maritime patrol aircraft and several Rafale over the area ? Nobody ran away. Turkish Navy is surely a credible opponent but not a threat to the French Navy.

Do not take Europeans lack of political will as being afraid of Turkey and its sultan or some. If you really think French interests and concerns in Libya are all about "few oil" contracts,then you are clearly mistaken.

French initiated the incident in the first place so what are you whining and gloating about now? You tried to pursue a Turkish vessel in international waters and in result were radar locked as a retaliation not the other way around. Next time try not to be so cocky if you simply dont have capacity to make good on your threats.

 

[Vergennes]

Who knows if 100 of those 260 been given to LNA, french barely went out of their secured camps in Afghanistan, i doubt they used any.

A good part of the 260 missiles were already used in Afghanistan as well as in Mali. As for the claim "French barely went out of their secured camps in Afghanistan,I doubt they used any",is it proved or did this claim come from you ? You are saying this to someone who was deployed on a tour to Afghanistan with the French contingent.....

French initiated the incident in the first place so what are you whining and gloating about now? You tried to pursue a Turkish vessel in international waters and in result were radar locked as a retaliation not the other way around. Next time try not to be so cocky if you simply dont have capacity to make good on your threats.

NATO MARCOM ordered the Courbet to inspect the suspect ship.... The Turks became agressive because of the prospect of discovering something else than "medical supplies" they claimed was onboard.... There were three Turkish frigates escorting the cargo ship against the Courbet....

 

[T-123456]

Lets not get personal,Vergennes is defending his country like any other would do.

 

[TNT]

A good part of the 260 missiles were already used in Afghanistan as well as in Mali. As for the claim "French barely went out of their secured camps in Afghanistan,I doubt they used any",is it proved or did this claim come from you ? You are saying this to someone who was deployed on a tour to Afghanistan with the French contingent.....



NATO MARCOM ordered the Courbet to inspect the suspect ship.... The Turks became agressive because of the prospect of discovering something else than "medical supplies" they claimed was onboard.... There were three Turkish frigates escorting the cargo ship against the Courbet....

Everything is vague and it gives u chance to find excuses. There is no proof of use of javelins but there is proof they ended up with haftar, any nornal human can deduce from this.
Well if u have served in Afghanistan then u should know how useless the french were there, or maybe too scared to take on taliban.

 

[Vergennes]

Everything is vague and it gives u chance to find excuses. There is no proof of use of javelins but there is proof they ended up with haftar, any nornal human can deduce from this.
Well if u have served in Afghanistan then u should know how useless the french were there, or maybe too scared to take on taliban.

You are free to believe anything you want,being there I've seen the "true nature" of the Talibans you are talking about.

It's useless anyway to debate with people on this forum when majority of them defend the Talibans..... of course,only when they kill NATO soldiers,not when they kill Pakistani soldiers and civilians.... Good terrorists,bad terrorists you know....

As for the Javelins,the missiles found were deemed unusable by the GNA,I didn't make that claim out of my behind. Those missiles weren't direct shipments to Haftar forces but as I said sent to French special forces deployed there when the French were present assisting LNA against ISIS in eastern Libya. We can argue about how they ended in LNA hands,given the quantity was negligeable,they couldn't have made a difference on the ground compared to the direct shipments made by Turkey to the GNA or Russia/UAE/Egypt to the LNA.

A part from 4 unusable Javelin missiles found,there's no other proof of any French direct military engagement or transfer of weapons for Haftar and the LNA against the GNA.... Unless you can prove otherwise. The few French armaments and equipments you'll see in Libya are from Kadhafi stocks bought before 2011...