France recalls Ambassadors from USA and Australia over Submarine Deal !!!

[Village life]

And my dear fellow Muslims, this has hurt the French way more than all the protests we did by burning our own buildings and roads.

Allah is THE greatest planner,

 

[Dil Pakistan]

This is the outcome of BREXIT.

Australia has money.

After COVID pandemic, all countries in the world need money.

After BREXIT, UK is not dependent on EU anymore.

Both US and UK need money, and proceeded to make a deal with Australia (as they have the money)

They have stabbed France in the back.

China may have reacted angrily, but inside China will be really happy with this outcome. This step breaks the alliance against China. France will press EU not to support US and UK.
China can now work more closely with EU

 

[Rana4pak]

Well that was some backstabbing by the Australians. The Americans just destroyed their deal,the French have the right to be angry.

Over baked/angry french fries

 

[Osman Devlat]

Let us analyze this situation with the current politics in France.
Prime Minister: Macron (Nepolean Wanna Be) [Got Votes By Center is now Right Wing]
First Lady of France: His literal teacher (thats some shit from Br*zz**s

Known in the entire country to be hypocrite, when Hebdo says something against them, not allowed, against Islam (Freedom of Speech).
Has ashamed France by meddling in Africa.

One Statement

"There is a reason why France is called the King of not letting go."

That has already happened with the beginning of Brexit. Then the Germans finished their nordstream 2. It's the end of NATO.
Thank goodness these damn Europeans were such anchors...

Basically we are in the prologue to WWIII.

 

[Foinikas]

Let us analyze this situation with the current politics in France.
Prime Minister: Macron (Nepolean Wanna Be) [Got Votes By Center is now Right Wing]
First Lady of France: His literal teacher (thats some shit from Br*zz**s

Known in the entire country to be hypocrite, when Hebdo says something against them, not allowed, against Islam (Freedom of Speech).
Has ashamed France by meddling in Africa.

One Statement

"There is a reason why France is called the King of not letting go."

You think the Americans stop bothering countries when they don't buy their stuff or that they don't get angry when someone destroys their weapons deal?

 

[Ali_Baba]

What is interesting is that during G7 2021 in Cornwall - Macron was being a complete dick to both Boris and the UK. These conversations with Australia had predated the G7 summit, so while Macron was doing this - Bojo must have had the "mother of all " smiles on the inside knowing when and how he was gonna take the smug grin off Macrons face with his revenge.

Oh - Bojo must have been pissing himself seeing Macron acting the way he was knowing what was coming ... as they say, revenge is a dish best served cold ....

Bojo deserves a medal for not letting the cat out of the bag then !

 

[Osman Devlat]

You think the Americans stop bothering countries when they don't buy their stuff or that they don't get angry when someone destroys their weapons deal?

The Americans lash out, they do mister, but France is on a brand new level as you know how many colonial holdings of france are there in the world, a large chunk of Brazil is France. So many french Islands. Mister, French President does not care for his people, you can see his clips lashing out to the public, but there is something more at play that keeps the President that gives no shit to his people at its play is a Banker, the upper elite, which is funded by French incursions in the Magreb reigon and French Weapons sales, they have stocks in Dassult and other companies, its a really big loss none the less.

 

[Foinikas]

What is interesting is that during G7 2021 in Cornwall - Macron was being a complete dick to both Boris and the UK. These conversations with Australia had predated the G7 summit, so while Macron was doing this - Bojo must have had the "mother of all " smiles on the inside knowing when and how he was gonna take the smug grin off Macrons face with his revenge.

Oh - Bojo must have been pissing himself seeing Macron acting the way he was knowing what was coming ... as they say, revenge is a dish best served cold ....

Bojo deserves a medal for not letting the cat out of the bag then !

Thing is,Europe was never united as much as the leaders tried to present it. There were different goals and every country had different laws and cultures and foreign policy. For example,while in the Balkans and southeast Mediterranean we have rivalries and threats of war,the ones in the north have the best neighbors and can't understand this. Italy and Spain have had immigrants from North Africa for years,but Germans and Scandinavians were like "Come,come,we need more workers and laborers!"

The British never really cared about the EU and the Germans were the dominant country for some 20 years or more. Now it's as if another power block in EU is emerging with France as the leader against the German domination of Europe. So many countries were fed up with Germany's laws and policies concerning refugees,Russia and other things like LGBTQ+ rights etc.

There are countries in the EU who don't see Russia as an enemy,who don't want more refugees and immigrants from the Middle-East,Asia and Africa and some who were opposed to Erdogan's aggressive policies and threats in the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean.
Countries like Poland,Hungary,Austria,France and some political parties of Italy and Netherlands.

 

[Maula Jatt]

You think the Americans stop bothering countries when they don't buy their stuff or that they don't get angry when someone destroys their weapons deal?

But they're Americans, they can do that lol

Thing is,Europe was never united as much as the leaders tried to present it. There were different goals and every country had different laws and cultures and foreign policy. For example,while in the Balkans and southeast Mediterranean we have rivalries and threats of war,the ones in the north have the best neighbors and can't understand this. Italy and Spain have had immigrants from North Africa for years,but Germans and Scandinavians were like "Come,come,we need more workers and laborers!"

The British never really cared about the EU and the Germans were the dominant country for some 20 years or more. Now it's as if another power block in EU is emerging with France as the leader against the German domination of Europe. So many countries were fed up with Germany's laws and policies concerning refugees,Russia and other things like LGBTQ+ rights etc.

There are countries in the EU who don't see Russia as an enemy,who don't want more refugees and immigrants from the Middle-East,Asia and Africa and some who were opposed to Erdogan's aggressive policies and threats in the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean.
Countries like Poland,Hungary,Austria,France and some political parties of Italy and Netherlands.

Simply capitulate Sultan has arrived!

 

[Foinikas]

The Americans lash out, they do mister, but France is on a brand new level as you know how many colonial holdings of france are there in the world, a large chunk of Brazil is France. So many french Islands. Mister, French President does not care for his people, you can see his clips lashing out to the public, but there is something more at play that keeps the President that gives no shit to his people at its play is a Banker, the upper elite, which is funded by French incursions in the Magreb reigon and French Weapons sales, they have stocks in Dassult and other companies, its a really big loss none the less.

Mister,have you seen the parts of the world that Britain still holds? Seriously? France? Large chunk of Brazil? It's just a small jungle-filled country ffs and the British and Dutch have their own colonies RIGHT next to it! Lol!
Incursions in the Maghreb region? Man,USA and Russia are playing entire countries against one another,not just groups! Check out the Middle-East,Asia and Latin America.

But they're Americans, they can do that lol

Ahahahahaha Well yeah. It's about democracy

Simply capitulate Sultan has arrived!

Buyuk Sultan Erdogan

 

[Ali_Baba]

Britain is warned it WON'T escape being targeted by France

A French diplomat slammed Britain for acting 'opportunistically' and former British ambassador to France Lord Peter Ricketts said he expects further measures against all three countries.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Britain is warned it WON'T escape French retaliation over new AUKUS defence pact as furious Emmanuel Macron recalls ambassadors to the US and Australia and one of his diplomats labels the UK as 'opportunistic' for signing up

• France recalled its ambassadors to the US and Australia on Friday amid the dispute over nuclear submarines
• The move comes amid growing fury in France at the defence deal between US, UK and Australia
• French foreign minister Jean-Yves Le Drian cited the 'exceptional seriousness of the announcements'

By Joe Davies For Mailonline and Geoff Earle, Deputy U.S. Political Editor For Dailymail.com
Published: 09:02, 18 September 2021 | Updated: 13:22, 18 September 2021

Britain has been warned it will not escape being targeted by France after Emmanuel Macron recalled ambassadors to the US and Australia but not the UK.

The French President is furious at the submarine pact between the three countries, which caught France off guard and
resulted in the cancelation of multi-billion pound contracts for Australia to build French diesel submarines.

French foreign minister Jean-Yves Le Drian last night announced the country was recalling the ambassador to the US Philippe Etienne, citing the 'exceptional seriousness of the announcements'.

France also recalled its ambassador to Australia but has not yet made any move to remove its ambassador to the UK Catherine Colonna.

French officials are thought to view the US as prime movers in the deal and Boris Johnson insisted the UK's relationship with France is 'rock solid' despite the row.

But a French diplomat slammed Britain for acting 'opportunistically' and former British ambassador to France Lord Peter Ricketts said he expects further measures against all three countries.

Writing on social media last night, Lord Ricketts said France's moves so far suggest it sees Britain as 'accomplices' in the deal but that may not stop further repercussions from happening. He said: 'France now recalls Ambassadors to US and Australia. 'Unprecedented between allied nations? Interestingly not from UK. 'A signal Paris regards Washington and Canberra as ringleaders in plot, with London as accomplice. 'Expect further French measures targeting interests of all three.'

Mr Le Drian yesterday called the nixing of the $90billion (£65.5billion) sub-contract 'unacceptable behaviour'.

Le Drian said in a statement: 'At the request of the President of the Republic, I have decided to immediately recall our two ambassadors to the United States and Australia to Paris for consultations. 'This exceptional decision is justified by the exceptional gravity of the announcements made on 15 September by Australia and the United States.'

The move comes amid a huge backlash in France over the move.

A French diplomatic source lashed out at Britain, telling Reuters: 'The UK accompanied this operation opportunistically.
'We do not need to consult in Paris with our ambassador to know what to think and what conclusions to draw from it.'

A top French diplomat told Associated Press Macron got a letter from Australian PM Scott Morrison announcing the sub deal's cancellation on Wednesday morning.

The French reached out to Washington 'to ask what was going on', but the resulting discussions occurred just hours before Biden announced the deal in a video conference with the two key allies.

According to The Times, the AUKUS deal was codenamed Operation Hookless inside Number 10 and was the most closely guarded secret inside government for many years.

Among the tiny number of people in the know – besides the PM – were outgoing Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab, Defence Secretary Ben Wallace, National Security advisor Sir Stephen Lovegrove and First Sea Lord Admiral Sir Tony Radakin.
The clandestine discussions were said by a defence source to be like a scene from a John Le Carré novel.

Defence sources familiar with the discussions told the newspaper that Australia had decided that the submarines which it had agreed to buy from France were not enough to ward off the threat posed by China.

They instead wanted nuclear-powered ones which are faster and stealthier and not in need of regular refuelling.
Another man who was reportedly in the top-secret loop of decision-makers was John Bew, Mr Johnson’s foreign policy advisor.

Those who were aware are said to have been ordered to sign a paper vowing to not speak of the secret discussions outside of the group.

Le Drain on Thursday called the move a 'stab in the back'.

'We built a relationship of trust with Australia, and this trust was betrayed. This is not done between allies.'

France is the US' longest-standing ally after the European country's essential support during the American Revolution.

Numerous US presidents have taken part in annual commemorations of the Normandy invasion that attest to the close historical bonds between the two nations.

The stunning diplomatic slap comes a day after France made a lesser statement by nixing a planned gala at its luxurious embassy in Washington that was meant to celebrate the US-French relationship, while also ditching another event in Baltimore.

The embassy gala was to mark the 240th anniversary of the Battle of the Capes, when the French Navy fought the Royal Navy of Britain during the Revolutionary War.

It all came at the end of a week where President Joe Biden announced a new agreement between the US, the UK, and Australia, in a move meant to counter China and bolster security in the Indo-Pacific region.

Under the terms, Australia for the first time would purchase US-made nuclear submarines, which are quieter, faster, and must come to port less frequently than diesel or electric boats.

The move infuriated France, which said it had not been informed long in advance.

Biden, who ran in part trumpeting his deft touch in diplomacy after helming the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, now finds himself at the center a diplomatic row with a key ally.

It comes at a time when his handling of the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan is also under scrutiny.
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said France had been informed in advance of the move, and tried to put the best light on the state of relations.

'France in particular is a vital partner on this, and so many other issues,' he said.

The diplomatic slap came just minutes after the US military had to admit that a US drone strike in the final days before the US pullout in Afghanistan had mistakenly hit an aid worker, killing nine family members, including seven children.
Australia had been relying on French shipbuilder Naval Group to construct its diesel submarine fleet, set to be delivered in the mid 2030s.

The move also piqued the government New Zealand, which has a longstanding opposition to nuclear energy, and which was not included in the agreement.

The Australian government today expressed 'regret' over France's decision.

A spokesperson for Minister for Foreign Affairs Marise Payne said in a statement: 'We note with regret France's decision to recall its Ambassador to Australia for consultations following the decision on the Attack Class project.

'Australia understands France's deep disappointment with our decision, which was taken in accordance with our clear and communicated national security interests.

'Australia values its relationship with France, which is an important partner and a vital contributor to stability, particularly in the Indo-Pacific. This will not change.

'We look forward to engaging with France again on our many issues of shared interest, based on shared values.'
The so-called Aukus defence pact between the UK, US and Australia has been widely seen as an attempt to counter the growing military assertiveness of China in the Indo-Pacific region.

Beijing swiftly denounced the initiative as 'extremely irresponsible' and a threat to regional peace and stability.
In the Commons on Thursday, Mr Johnson said it was not intended as an 'adversarial' move against China or any other power.

He also insisted that relations with France remained 'rock solid' while Downing Street described Paris as 'a close ally and
friend' of the UK.

Nevertheless, the Prime Minister also made clear he expected the agreement to bring 'hundreds' of highly-skilled jobs to Britain — jobs which may well have otherwise gone to France.

'Like a scene from Le Carré': How just TEN people in Britain knew about AUKUS submarine deal - codenamed 'Operation Hookless' - which was No10's biggest secret 'in years'

Only ten people knew about the landmark AUKUS deal in which Britain and the U.S. will collaborate in providing Australia with its first ever fleet of nuclear submarines.

Boris Johnson, President Joe Biden and Australian prime minister Scott Morrison announced the new pact on Wednesday night, provoking uproar from China and France, who recalled its ambassador to America shortly afterwards.

The announcement resulted in the cancellation of a multi-billion-pound contract for Australia to buy diesel-powered French submarines.

According to The Times, the AUKUS deal was codenamed Operation Hookless inside Number 10 and was the most closely guarded secret inside government for many years.

Among the tiny number of people in the know – besides the PM – were outgoing Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab, Defence Secretary Ben Wallace, National Security advisor Sir Stephen Lovegrove and First Sea Lord Admiral Sir Tony Radakin.
The clandestine discussions were said by a defence source to be like a scene from a John Le Carré novel.

Defence sources familiar with the discussions told the newspaper that Australia had decided that the submarines which it had agreed to buy from France were not enough to ward off the threat posed by China.

They instead wanted nuclear-powered ones which are faster and stealthier and not in need of regular refuelling.
Another man who was reportedly in the top-secret loop of decision-makers was John Bew, Mr Johnson’s foreign policy advisor.

Those who were aware are said to have been ordered to sign a paper vowing to not speak of the secret discussions outside of the group.

 

[Foinikas]

There's another deal the French are worried about now: The FDI frigates for the Hellenic Navy,where the Americans are pressing the Greek government hard to buy their MMSC or other ships. The French have been doing everything to get the deal,even saying they can have 3 ships ready by 2025.

 

[mingle]

12 subs are now available

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

French should remember the day when they kicked US out of AMCA, India or even confronted with EFT in competition. Well, that's a business thing so has to face music as well. Now, French can enjoy Indian market but can't influence to not to buy from US or UK at all. Interesting isn't it.

I think this has more to do with expanding 5 Eyes. US hesitant to share nuclear propulsion tech but Australia pointed to the US ask of expanding 5 Eyes and wanted something golden in return...US relented. This has some precedence...British attack subs have US nuclear missiles.

 

[Ali_Baba]

I think this has more to do with expanding 5 Eyes.

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Hamartia Antidote

Are you suggesting they are looking to include India ? Not impossible but quite bold if true .

Found something about Japan -

RESOLVED: Japan Is Ready to Become a Formal Member of Five Eyes

In the nineteenth issue of the Debating Japan, the CSIS Japan Chair invited Dr. Jagannath Panda and Mr. Ankit Panda to share their perspectives on whether Japan is truly ready to become a formal member of Five Eyes.

www.csis.org