France & Pakistan to revive JF-17 Avionics/EW/Missiles deal as Indian MMRCA stalls.

[krash]

France Secretly Provides China with Top Radar, Air-to-air Missile
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According to Britain’s Jane’s Defense weekly, China may get through Pakistan the the technology in Franch MICA air-to-air missile and RC-400 radar, which the EU bans sales to China. Such technology may constitute a threat to the Mirage 2000-5 fighter jets that Taiwan has got from France.
Pakistan is to get the above-mentioned missiles and radar from France for its JF-17 fighter jets. As JF-17 is jointly developed by Pakistan and China, when Pakistan has got the missile and radar, it is quite possible that China will get the technologies in the missile and radar.
MICA is as good as US advanced AMRAAM air-to-air missile. It is well-known for its accuracy and controllability. China may obtain its technology through reverse engineering from a MICA missile provided by Pakistan.


JF-17 with CM-400AKG
In developing its J-10 fighter jet, China has reference to the technologies in American F-16 fighter jet as it was able to study in details an F-16 provided by Pakistan.
To prevent China from obtaining French weapon technologies with similar approach, the US will strongly oppose French sales of the weapons to Pakistan. For the same reason India, a major buyer of French weapons, will also oppose.

To avoid such oppositions, MBDA spokesman denied what he previously told Associated Press about its competition with others to get an order for MICA. French defense ministry, however, told Associated Press, there were no reasons that France should not cooperate with Pakistan though it had not confirmed the existence of such transactions.

Knock on wood.

MICA is an HOB missile? If so then is it safe to assume that JHMCS will come with it?

 

[Taygibay]

@krash No mate! The Rafale can fire the MICA directly behind itself -180 degrees.
It did so with Link 16 and the wingman providing the targeting.
Mica Performs Successful Firing from a French Air Force Rafale F2
Mica
So there is no relation to an HMCS although you are right that having one would not hurt.

Good day all, Tay.

 

[A2Z]

French defense ministry, however, told Associated Press, there were no reasons that France should not cooperate with Pakistan though it had not confirmed the existence of such transactions.

What it looks to me is that French want to play Pakistan card with India so they sign the Rafale deal.

 

[Tameem]

What it looks to me is that French want to play Pakistan card with India so they sign the Rafale deal.

I think, French are honorable nation, they means what they gesturing and not playing cards entirely otherwise it will heart them in the long term.

 

[A2Z]

I think, French are honorable nation, they means what they gesturing and not playing cards entirely otherwise it will heart them in the long term.

They have done this in the past, they pulled out of the JF-17 initailly because of Indian pressure. And now when its a matter of $20 billion a bit of arm twisting wont hurt them much.

 

[帅的一匹]

I heard the deal for refit Indian Mirages was so expensive because it included bribes for cancelling Pakistani deal.
To put things in context, the cost of each upgraded Mirage 2k was more than cost of procuring a spanking new Mig-29SMT.

I doubt this is correct but if it is then well played.

We shall see.

Milk cow

 

[Path-Finder]

I think, French are honorable nation, they means what they gesturing and not playing cards entirely otherwise it will heart them in the long term.

ahh yeah few historical events suggest otherwise, by history I mean 1980's to present

 

[SBD-3]

Knock on wood.

MICA is an HOB missile? If so then is it safe to assume that JHMCS will come with it?

JMHCS is an american product. Thales has their own HMS (called Scorpion?) but not the JHMCS for sure.

 

[SafShikan]

France Secretly Provides China with Top Radar, Air-to-air Missile
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According to Britain’s Jane’s Defense weekly, China may get through Pakistan the the technology in Franch MICA air-to-air missile and RC-400 radar, which the EU bans sales to China. Such technology may constitute a threat to the Mirage 2000-5 fighter jets that Taiwan has got from France.
Pakistan is to get the above-mentioned missiles and radar from France for its JF-17 fighter jets. As JF-17 is jointly developed by Pakistan and China, when Pakistan has got the missile and radar, it is quite possible that China will get the technologies in the missile and radar.
MICA is as good as US advanced AMRAAM air-to-air missile. It is well-known for its accuracy and controllability. China may obtain its technology through reverse engineering from a MICA missile provided by Pakistan.


JF-17 with CM-400AKG
In developing its J-10 fighter jet, China has reference to the technologies in American F-16 fighter jet as it was able to study in details an F-16 provided by Pakistan.
To prevent China from obtaining French weapon technologies with similar approach, the US will strongly oppose French sales of the weapons to Pakistan. For the same reason India, a major buyer of French weapons, will also oppose.

To avoid such oppositions, MBDA spokesman denied what he previously told Associated Press about its competition with others to get an order for MICA. French defense ministry, however, told Associated Press, there were no reasons that France should not cooperate with Pakistan though it had not confirmed the existence of such transactions.

I don't get it...if J-10 was based on F-16(provided by Pakistan) then who provided F-22 to china as J-31 has extreme resemblance with it ? Isn't USAF the sole operator of F-22 ?

 

[RAMPAGE]

I think, French are honorable nation, they means what they gesturing and not playing cards entirely otherwise it will heart them in the long term.

ROFL

 

[New World]

Why Pak is only after to French Equipment?
You can Buy Radars from Sweden, Germany, South Africa, Itlay.
and as for mica, South African A-darter and German IRIS-T.

 

[krash]

JMHCS is an american product. Thales has their own HMS (called Scorpion?) but not the JHMCS for sure.

Ah my bad then. Meant any HMD/HMS.

@krash No mate! The Rafale can fire the MICA directly behind itself -180 degrees.
It did so with Link 16 and the wingman providing the targeting.
Mica Performs Successful Firing from a French Air Force Rafale F2
Mica
So there is no relation to an HMCS although you are right that having one would not hurt.

Good day all, Tay.

Yea but I mean any HOB missile only really comes into its own when mated with an HMD system, no?

 

[flameboard]

I remember there was an article about this deal back when it was on the table the first time and I remember people from Rafale commenting that no one really wants this deal to happen. I honestly think Rafale is trying to play everyone. There should be an order for some major hardware to kind of seal the deal asap (but of course that won't happen, who trusts the French?)

 

[wiseone2]

They have done this in the past, they pulled out of the JF-17 initailly because of Indian pressure. And now when its a matter of $20 billion a bit of arm twisting wont hurt them much.

what makes you think they pulled out of the JF-17 deal due to Indian pressure ?

 

[SafShikan]

They hacked the computers. And as a result, the Americans and co. redesigned the f-35. Hence the second stage of delays.

then isn't it possible to hack them back...instead of coming to Pak for further help[according to them]...why they are so conscious about not giving anything to Pakistan...if Pakistan had to help china...why did Pakistan returned back the wreckage of stealth helicopter used to raid Usama`s compound.